Pre Draft Discussion

[Saberestar]

OK, yeah, I must have misread that or forgotten quickly. That's not bad considering the Knicks likely wouldn't be very good. We should be better than bottom 5 but the odds are also a lot better to move up starting next year, so chances wouldn't be as bad if you are sitting at 8 or 9 to jump.

Yeah if we're swapping #6 and #8 then I would be completely fine. Only thing I don't like is that it hamstrings us at the deadline because we wouldn't be able to trade our pick or the Milwaukee pick for a player at the deadline since we gave their rights up.

It really doesn't seem like a very good deal for the Knicks though. I mean we will probably be better than them next year so then it just comes down to Bender and the 16. I like Bender but you'd think they'd be much higher on someone like Mikal than they would be on Bender + whoever they think might be there at 16.

I think it is fair for both sides. Good deal for they Knicks if the do not love any prospect available at #9.

Bender + #16 + Mil pick is a solid package.

[darealjuice]

OK, yeah, I must have misread that or forgotten quickly. That's not bad considering the Knicks likely wouldn't be very good. We should be better than bottom 5 but the odds are also a lot better to move up starting next year, so chances wouldn't be as bad if you are sitting at 8 or 9 to jump.

Yeah if we're swapping #6 and #8 then I would be completely fine. Only thing I don't like is that it hamstrings us at the deadline because we wouldn't be able to trade our pick or the Milwaukee pick for a player at the deadline since we gave their rights up.

It really doesn't seem like a very good deal for the Knicks though. I mean we will probably be better than them next year so then it just comes down to Bender and the 16. I like Bender but you'd think they'd be much higher on someone like Mikal than they would be on Bender + whoever they think might be there at 16.

I would think that they'd still have the Milwaukee pick in 2020 if it didn't convey next year and no swap happens. I think it's a pretty decent value depending on how they feel about Bender what's left on the board at 9. They might feel they can get similar talent at 16 as they would looking at SGA, Walker, Knox, etc. at #9 while picking up a solid young player and a future asset.

[bwgood77]

Yeah if we're swapping #6 and #8 then I would be completely fine. Only thing I don't like is that it hamstrings us at the deadline because we wouldn't be able to trade our pick or the Milwaukee pick for a player at the deadline since we gave their rights up.

It really doesn't seem like a very good deal for the Knicks though. I mean we will probably be better than them next year so then it just comes down to Bender and the 16. I like Bender but you'd think they'd be much higher on someone like Mikal than they would be on Bender + whoever they think might be there at 16.

I think it is fair for both sides. Good deal for the Knicks if the do not love any prospect available at #9.

Bender + #16 + Mil pick is a solid package.

Though my feeling is that the Bucks pick won't convey so they end up with rights to a swap with us and we might be better than them. Probably a good chance. Maybe not though considering our record this year and we might be starting two rookies in that case.

[BobbieL]

You guys are reading it wrong lol. It's swapping picks with New York if the Milwaukee pick doesn't convey, not giving them our pick outright.

Ok - I got it - a swap - even better for us.

If its just swapping picks - I can live with that. the KNicks without Porzingis are not going to be very good.

So the Suns would want Young. I still think I want Doncic more - but the price might be too steep to get Doncic. Granted, how many teams are willing to take on Parsons - Suns might be willing to take him on.

Another thing - this would give the Suns a bit more cap space -- -as I still think they would need a veteran guard or somebody that can play defense. I think the future of Young and Booker might be good - but defensively, not good. Maybe they sign a guy like McCaw as the 4th guard to play some defense. Hmm... interesting - probably still want a veteran PG and would need a veteran forward for sure.

[Dr Manute]

Yeah if we're swapping #6 and #8 then I would be completely fine. Only thing I don't like is that it hamstrings us at the deadline because we wouldn't be able to trade our pick or the Milwaukee pick for a player at the deadline since we gave their rights up.

It really doesn't seem like a very good deal for the Knicks though. I mean we will probably be better than them next year so then it just comes down to Bender and the 16. I like Bender but you'd think they'd be much higher on someone like Mikal than they would be on Bender + whoever they think might be there at 16.

I think it is fair for both sides. Good deal for the Knicks if the do not love any prospect available at #9.

Bender + #16 + Mil pick is a solid package.

Bender's salary next year: $4,661,280
#9 salary next year: $3,120,700
#16 salary next year: $2,179,300

= almost 3.8 million is savings.

[bwgood77]

Yeah if we're swapping #6 and #8 then I would be completely fine. Only thing I don't like is that it hamstrings us at the deadline because we wouldn't be able to trade our pick or the Milwaukee pick for a player at the deadline since we gave their rights up.

It really doesn't seem like a very good deal for the Knicks though. I mean we will probably be better than them next year so then it just comes down to Bender and the 16. I like Bender but you'd think they'd be much higher on someone like Mikal than they would be on Bender + whoever they think might be there at 16.

I would think that they'd still have the Milwaukee pick in 2020 if it didn't convey next year and no swap happens. I think it's a pretty decent value depending on how they feel about Bender what's left on the board at 9. They might feel they can get similar talent at 16 as they would looking at SGA, Walker, Knox, etc. at #9 while picking up a solid young player and a future asset.

I guess that makes sense, and improves the value. I don't see that as a real high value pick, but along with 16 and Bender, IF, say they have a tier of 7-8 prospects without much separation from 9-16, then they may figure they are not losing much and picking up a couple assets.

[bwgood77]

It really doesn't seem like a very good deal for the Knicks though. I mean we will probably be better than them next year so then it just comes down to Bender and the 16. I like Bender but you'd think they'd be much higher on someone like Mikal than they would be on Bender + whoever they think might be there at 16.

I think it is fair for both sides. Good deal for the Knicks if the do not love any prospect available at #9.

Bender + #16 + Mil pick is a solid package.

Bender's salary next year: $4,661,280
#9 salary next year: $3,120,700
#16 salary next year: $2,179,300

= almost 3.8 million is savings.

Actually I don't think the Knicks can absorb any salary, so we'd have to be taking someone back, which might make more sense.

[Kerrsed]

https://www.reddit.com/r/suns/comments/8slr3f/tomorrow_news/

If MPJ is selected before # 9 I know for a fact that the Suns Knicks have a hand shake deal. Suns will trade #16 + Bender + 2019 Milwaukee pick (If not conveyed Knicks will have rights to swap with 2019 Suns #1 protected) for #9. Confident enough to back it up with gold.

1 (Ayton) and 2021 Miami pick are off limits holding too much value.

It could be total bull, but worth reading the thread. Apparently he provided the same and deleted it after the person said they believe him now.

Well that pick will almost certainly be protected so it would be our first next year and Bender and 16 for Young. There is a good chance that will be a top 5 pick.

No, they would have the chance to SWAP picks with us. Just gotta be better than the Knicks next year and they get nada in the draft from us.

[bwgood77]

https://www.reddit.com/r/suns/comments/8slr3f/tomorrow_news/



It could be total bull, but worth reading the thread. Apparently he provided the same and deleted it after the person said they believe him now.

Well that pick will almost certainly be protected so it would be our first next year and Bender and 16 for Young. There is a good chance that will be a top 5 pick.

No, they would have the chance to SWAP picks with us. Just gotta be better than the Knicks next year and they get nada in the draft from us.

Well, in that case, as darealjuice mentioned, they'd probably hang onto the Bucks pick going forward. If this actually happened, and Mikal Bridges was on the board (and probably regardless), Knicks fans will be pissed.

[Dr Manute]

I think it is fair for both sides. Good deal for the Knicks if the do not love any prospect available at #9.

Bender + #16 + Mil pick is a solid package.

Bender's salary next year: $4,661,280
#9 salary next year: $3,120,700
#16 salary next year: $2,179,300

= almost 3.8 million is savings.

Actually I don't think the Knicks can absorb any salary, so we'd have to be taking someone back, which might make more sense.

Yes, I think your right:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y93ye4um

[Kerrsed]

Well that pick will almost certainly be protected so it would be our first next year and Bender and 16 for Young. There is a good chance that will be a top 5 pick.

No, they would have the chance to SWAP picks with us. Just gotta be better than the Knicks next year and they get nada in the draft from us.

Well, in that case, as darealjuice mentioned, they'd probably hang onto the Bucks pick going forward. If this actually happened, and Mikal Bridges was on the board (and probably regardless), Knicks fans will be pissed.

Well looking at the draft choices, if Trae were the one to fall to #9, then one of the Bridges would most likely have jumped up and already be taken. In that scenario i would think that it would be Mikal that did.

[BobbieL]

Bender's salary next year: $4,661,280
#9 salary next year: $3,120,700
#16 salary next year: $2,179,300

= almost 3.8 million is savings.

Actually I don't think the Knicks can absorb any salary, so we'd have to be taking someone back, which might make more sense.

Yes, I think your right:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y93ye4um

Not sure I like a player on the Knicks - maybe OQuinn as a back up center - but would have to move Chandler.

[Dr Manute]

Bender's salary next year: $4,661,280
#9 salary next year: $3,120,700
#16 salary next year: $2,179,300

= almost 3.8 million is savings.

Actually I don't think the Knicks can absorb any salary, so we'd have to be taking someone back, which might make more sense.

Yes, I think your right:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y93ye4um

Ok, now I got the trade to work - added some salary from the New York side

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybqgmbjm

[Kerrsed]

Suns just tweeted Trae's Profile, lol.

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[bwgood77]

No, they would have the chance to SWAP picks with us. Just gotta be better than the Knicks next year and they get nada in the draft from us.

Well, in that case, as darealjuice mentioned, they'd probably hang onto the Bucks pick going forward. If this actually happened, and Mikal Bridges was on the board (and probably regardless), Knicks fans will be pissed.

Well looking at the draft choices, if Trae were the one to fall to #9, then one of the Bridges would most likely have jumped up and already be taken. In that scenario i would think that it would be Mikal that did.

Yeah, if you figure Shai and Knox are still there too.

[Kerrsed]

Ayton screwed up!

He posted the directions that Treyarch gave him, he didnt FOLLOW them.

#OOPS!

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[bwgood77]

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[matt131]

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dang what a skinny front court. Porzingis and Bamba = 14 total feet and 100 total pounds lol

but really wow way to shoot our trade down quickly.

[bwgood77]

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dang what a skinny front court. Porzingis and Bamba = 14 total feet and 100 total pounds lol

but really wow way to shoot our trade down quickly.

Front court wingspan of 7'6 and 7'10

[BobbieL]

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Noah is owed 38m
Parsons is owed 50m

is that really shedding Parsons contract to take on Noah. If the Suns could somehow get a bit higher pick - they could save the Grizz serious cash - but the pick at 16 is probably too low and the players for Parsons, not great