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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread 4 

Post#1621 » by Zelaznyrules » Sun Aug 3, 2014 6:55 pm

Bogyo wrote:But he is still better than losing Bledsoe for nothing (if he plays for QO next year, then bolts).
I m not enamored with him, as I see the holes in his game, but I do believe that he could be a lot better with better coaching, and better teammates. I m positive that he would be a better shooter here with a year or so under coach Hornacek, and with that he could be a player in the mold of Jefferson/Randolph. Dude is 6'11, so he can play C on our team. Monroe/Plumlee/Len/Markieff is a good playoff frontline I believe - especially if anyone besides Markieff learns to shoot the rock from 10-15 feet.


That's questionable. I think we're better off letting Bledsoe walk for nothing than we would be to trade him for the right to pay Monroe 13 or 14 million a year for 4 years. The problem here is David Falk. He has created an image around Monroe that just doesn't hold up.

If we had drafted him and he'd signed with just about any other agent, we'd be trying to decide between offering him 7 or 8 million a year or letting him walk. On the plus side, I think he's a decent worker and seems to be a decent guy and it's a safe bet he will improve in a few areas. But he can't even pretend to guard the four and would be a well below average defender even at the center position. I don't think you get ahead in this league overpaying for that kind of talent on the hope that your coach can do what no one else has been able to do - teach him to shoot.
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Post#1622 » by rsavaj » Sun Aug 3, 2014 6:59 pm

gaspar wrote:Here's a good read why it would be very difficult to build a contender around Monroe: LINK.

Monroe's shot chart:

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Gonna quote this because it's a great link. Read it and you'll understand why Monroe is not the guy we should pursue.
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Post#1623 » by DirtyDez » Sun Aug 3, 2014 7:38 pm

Bledsoe plays out his QO, has a great year and we re-sign him for max seeing as he's worth it. He doesn't play well and we let him go or work out a S&T. Problem solved.
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Post#1624 » by Sunsdeuce » Sun Aug 3, 2014 7:47 pm

DirtyDez wrote:Bledsoe plays out his QO, has a great year and we re-sign him for max seeing as he's worth it. He doesn't play well and we let him go or work out a S&T. Problem solved.

Sign and trade becomes almost no chance when he is an unrestricted.


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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread 4 

Post#1625 » by carey » Sun Aug 3, 2014 7:48 pm

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I don't know if anyone has answered you, but as I didn't see one I fill in the blanks. It's Norris Cole, Eric Bledsoe, LeBron James and Rich Paul. All 3 are clients of Klutch Sports Group. I'm unsure who the woman is, apologies.
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Post#1626 » by carey » Sun Aug 3, 2014 7:51 pm

Sunsdeuce wrote:Sign and trade becomes almost no chance when he is an unrestricted.


That's simply not true. There's roughly the same chance really. If he wants to go somewhere that's cash strapped they'll have to send out assets/salary in a deal for the privilege of signing him. The number of teams with cap space for a max deal are usually only a handful per given off-season.

What I disagree with is him playing for the QO. It's just not going to happen. He'd be risking a grand total of $5Mil over 4 years versus something like $45Mil if he has a career altering injury. I know he doesn't think like us, but I know what every single person on this board would do....
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Post#1627 » by carey » Sun Aug 3, 2014 8:01 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/paulcoro/status/496022356750774272[/tweet]

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Post#1628 » by DirtyDez » Sun Aug 3, 2014 8:20 pm

carey wrote:What I disagree with is him playing for the QO. It's just not going to happen. He'd be risking a grand total of $5Mil over 4 years versus something like $45Mil if he has a career altering injury. I know he doesn't think like us, but I know what every single person on this board would do....


Yeah it's very unlikely. But, right now there's what 3-4 teams that can offer a max deal? As it stands right now over 10 teams will have the cap space to sign him next summer including the Lakers, Knicks and Celtics. If he does play it out the Suns can still offer the most money and if he gets hurt next year we won't be locked in longterm.
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Post#1629 » by JTrain » Sun Aug 3, 2014 9:11 pm

Here are the rough financial calculations:

1. Take Suns $48M over the next four years. Fifth year he should be able to get more. Let's be conservative and say he can get $14M the first year of the next contract.

Five-year money if healthy: $62M
Five-year money if serious knee injuries derail his career: $48M

2. Take the QO and try for max contract next year. Assume max next year is roughly 16.5M and liberally assume he is offered max next year if healthy.

Five-year money if healthy: $69.7M
Five-year money if serious knee injuries derail his career: $3.7M

Possible reward from taking the QO: +$7.7M
Possible risk from taking the QO: -$44.3M

You may think Bledsoe and/or Paul are dumb. If you think they are that dumb, I think you're very likely wrong.
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Post#1630 » by Jdiddy701 » Sun Aug 3, 2014 9:24 pm

"Hearing Eric Bledsoe and #Suns getting closer. Suns a bit afraid another team will offer him a 2-year deal, plus year 2 player option..."

Essentially, that forces Suns into taking Eric Bledsoe at the qualifying but gives him some comfort of an extra ~5M guaranteed."


"I am also hearing that Suns are sticking with the 4/48 offer to Eric Bledsoe for now, but that it could go up slightly."


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Post#1631 » by Jdiddy701 » Sun Aug 3, 2014 9:27 pm

Never thought of a two year contract from another team, which would make sense for Bledsoe in the long run if he thinks he's worth the max.

Edit: This guys sounds like a troll
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Post#1632 » by RunDogGun » Sun Aug 3, 2014 9:27 pm

Why would we be worried? We can match any offer. Sounds like another dumb leak by Paul.
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Post#1633 » by NTB » Sun Aug 3, 2014 10:07 pm

RunDogGun wrote:Why would we be worried? We can match any offer. Sounds like another dumb leak by Paul.


Worry is about that 2 year player option i think.
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Post#1634 » by Saberestar » Sun Aug 3, 2014 10:14 pm

RunDogGun wrote:Why would we be worried? We can match any offer. Sounds like another dumb leak by Paul.

We have A LOT to be worried. He can sign a $20M/2 years contract with a second year like a player option.It would be like to play for the QO but earning a lot more money.
We can match, but he would be an UFA the next season for sure.

We have to be serious...we all are very happy with that 48/4 years offer because it is very good for the team. He is way better than Lawson, Holiday, Lowry, etc... so I think that something around $56/4 years would be fair for both sides, the cap will be higher in the next few years.At the end of the day $2 a year is not a big deal, and we know that we are not a FA destination, so it is very dificult to sign someone of Bledsoe's talent without overpaying a little.
All of us were thinking that we would have to match a $63/4 years offer, so $7 less is a good deal too.
We have to avoid another Joe Jhonson's situation.
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Post#1635 » by lilfishi22 » Sun Aug 3, 2014 10:46 pm

RunDogGun wrote:Why would we be worried? We can match any offer. Sounds like another dumb leak by Paul.

Agreed. Had he taken the QO, it would have been close to impossible to trade him because of the "no-trade clause." With this, we would have 1-2 years to evaluate him further and we can move him for assets if we felt he wasn't a good long term fit.

It's not as good as him agreeing to the 48/4 deal we have on the table but it's much more preferable to the QO.
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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread 4 

Post#1636 » by NoKneeBledsoe » Sun Aug 3, 2014 11:00 pm

Saberestar wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:Why would we be worried? We can match any offer. Sounds like another dumb leak by Paul.

We have A LOT to be worried. He can sign a $20M/2 years contract with a second year like a player option.It would be like to play for the QO but earning a lot more money.
We can match, but he would be an UFA the next season for sure.

We have to be serious...we all are very happy with that 48/4 years offer because it is very good for the team. He is way better than Lawson, Holiday, Lowry, etc... so I think that it is a fair option something around $56/4 years, the cap will be higher in the next few years.At the end of the day $2 a year is not a big deal, and we know that we are not a FA destination, so it is very dificult to sign someone of Bledsoe's talent without overpaying a little.
All of us were thinking that we would have to match a $63/4 years offer, so $7 less is a good deal too.
We have to avoid another Joe Jhonson' situation.



You are crazy. Lawson, Holiday, Lowry play more games and healthier and put up better numbers for a longer period!

I think 4 years 48 mill is even overpaid but I am fine with that. 56 million for a dude who started half a year and has been injured 1/2 his NBA career. Is not worth 56 million.
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Post#1637 » by Kerrsed » Sun Aug 3, 2014 11:01 pm

Its worrying because it would make him a un-restricted FA next season.

Instead of signing with us long term for way less then he wants, another team can offer him a 2 year deal, say $12M next season and a player option the year after. That would pay him way more money than just taking the qualifying offer and give him the chance to try FA all over again next season and go where ever he wants.

Yes, we could match the offer, but it still means that he will be a UFA next season.

It looks like Rich Paul isnt as stupid as people have been making him look, as him and Bledsoe just found their leverage.
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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread 4 

Post#1638 » by Suns Court 23 » Sun Aug 3, 2014 11:02 pm

Jdiddy701 wrote:
"Hearing Eric Bledsoe and #Suns getting closer. Suns a bit afraid another team will offer him a 2-year deal, plus year 2 player option..."

Essentially, that forces Suns into taking Eric Bledsoe at the qualifying but gives him some comfort of an extra ~5M guaranteed."


"I am also hearing that Suns are sticking with the 4/48 offer to Eric Bledsoe for now, but that it could go up slightly."


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Sorry don't know how to copy tweets on here like some of you and also like it this way since it's not viewable on mobile devices on the app.

I am happy to here that Bledsoe and the Suns are getting closer to a reasonable deal and I am fine if we go up slightly to retain a HAPPY Bledsoe.
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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread 4 

Post#1639 » by Saberestar » Sun Aug 3, 2014 11:02 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:Why would we be worried? We can match any offer. Sounds like another dumb leak by Paul.

Agreed. Had he taken the QO, it would have been close to impossible to trade him because of the "no-trade clause." With this, we would have 1-2 years to evaluate him further and we can move him for assets if we felt he wasn't a good long term fit.

It's not as good as him agreeing to the 48/4 deal we have on the table but it's much more preferable to the QO.

No, we can not trade him. He would play for us one year earning $8M-$9M and he will go out of here.
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Re: The One And Only Offseason Thread 4 

Post#1640 » by SunsFanSSOL » Sun Aug 3, 2014 11:27 pm

Nate Duncan is tweeting that what Schultz reported is impossible:

[tweet]https://twitter.com/NateDuncanNBA/status/496068269825331200[/tweet]

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