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Post#1921 » by JTrain » Thu Aug 7, 2014 1:07 am

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JTrain wrote:I would love to see a straight up trade for Horford. He has the better resume but Bledsoe is young and more explosive/exciting and has tons of potential. Horford has had significant injuries too but not in the legs so hopefully less long term risk. He's still fairly young and he was having a very good season early last year before he went down. I imagine he could be successful at the 4 or the 5 for us.


Everyone would love to trade for Horford. But why do people always bring up such unrealistic scenarios? Atlanta has a good pg and doesn't have a quality center. Horford works fine at center if needed. Horford is a cornerstone and Bledsoe is a very talented yet unproven injury prone player who plays the position with the most quality talent and thinks he is worth over $80 million for five years. Nobody appears eager to pay him anywhere near that, much less give up quality or especially star assets for him.


Probably because it's a forum and we're bored and/or don't know what the hell we're talking about. Bledsoe vs. Horford WS/48 last year .140 vs. .141, almost identical. Bledsoe is younger and many think he has massive potential. Horford has probably peaked. Bledsoe also might put more butts in seats, which the ATL FO might consider.

Also the Hawks have shown willingness to trade him pretty recently. And Teague is good but not great, and their SGs are pretty mediocre.

I mean, maybe it is unrealistic but it doesn't seem outrageous to me. Perhaps we could throw in a draft pick.
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Post#1922 » by Jdiddy701 » Thu Aug 7, 2014 1:08 am

Trading Bledsoe to Lakers just isn't smart. I don't care what we get back in return.


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Post#1923 » by bwgood77 » Thu Aug 7, 2014 1:10 am

jcsunsfan wrote:Looks to me like Eric is trying to force his way to the Lakers.


Howso? Any new news? If so, please send a link.
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Post#1924 » by Sunsdeuce » Thu Aug 7, 2014 1:12 am

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jcsunsfan wrote:Looks to me like Eric is trying to force his way to the Lakers.


Howso? Any new news? If so, please send a link.

I second that.


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Post#1925 » by Sunsdeuce » Thu Aug 7, 2014 1:13 am

@WojYahooNBA: Free agent forward Shawn Marion is leaning strongly toward signing with Cleveland over Indiana, league sources told Yahoo Sports.


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Post#1926 » by Jdiddy701 » Thu Aug 7, 2014 1:16 am

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Post#1927 » by bwgood77 » Thu Aug 7, 2014 1:17 am

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JTrain wrote:I would love to see a straight up trade for Horford. He has the better resume but Bledsoe is young and more explosive/exciting and has tons of potential. Horford has had significant injuries too but not in the legs so hopefully less long term risk. He's still fairly young and he was having a very good season early last year before he went down. I imagine he could be successful at the 4 or the 5 for us.


Everyone would love to trade for Horford. But why do people always bring up such unrealistic scenarios? Atlanta has a good pg and doesn't have a quality center. Horford works fine at center if needed. Horford is a cornerstone and Bledsoe is a very talented yet unproven injury prone player who plays the position with the most quality talent and thinks he is worth over $80 million for five years. Nobody appears eager to pay him anywhere near that, much less give up quality or especially star assets for him.


Probably because it's a forum and we're bored and/or don't know what the hell we're talking about. Bledsoe vs. Horford WS/48 last year .140 vs. .141, almost identical. Bledsoe is younger and many think he has massive potential. Horford has probably peaked. Bledsoe also might put more butts in seats, which the ATL FO might consider.

Also the Hawks have shown willingness to trade him pretty recently. And Teague is good but not great, and their SGs are pretty mediocre.

I mean, maybe it is unrealistic but it doesn't seem outrageous to me. Perhaps we could throw in a draft pick.


I don't mind entertaining trade rumors, how improbable they might be if they make sense for both teams. I imagine they were dangling him for Love, possibly Aldridge, or possibly a center.

Maybe if you said Bledsoe, the twins, Plumlee, and a pick for Horford, Teague and Pero Antic it would be a fairly decent trade idea. But straight up it leaves their frontcourt extremely bare, with Millsap becoming an UFA next summer.
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Post#1928 » by letsgosuns » Thu Aug 7, 2014 1:31 am

If Marion goes to the Cavs and they get Kevin Love too, they have to be favorites in the East easily. I still would not put them above the Spurs, but they would be the closest to them. Irving, Lebron, Marion, Love, and Varejao is a ridiculous starting lineup.
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Post#1929 » by Cutter » Thu Aug 7, 2014 1:37 am

NotTraxxe wrote:That doesn't make him a bad person. It's just his preference. I would rather live in San Diego and make it my home than Phoenix. Austin. Seattle. Denver. I would rather work and live in certain locations that appeal to me.

I live where I live because they wanted to pay me a lot more to do what I do.

He's butthurt on it. He had a team that wanted to offer him a big payday. We used the rules and they backed off. The market shrunk. He should be butthurt. We cost him millions. You would be butthurt too.

This is business. Business is butthurt city in its very nature.

Curiosity question. Who was the team that supposedly offered him a max contract then backed off when the Suns said they would match? Not directed towards you NotTraxxe, but I call BS on the whole max offer thing. He is not a max player, and I don't think there is any team in the league that feels he is a max player. If a team feels they have a chance at at a max player, they move heavens and earth to clear space in order to sign him. No team is doing that for Bledsoe.
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Post#1930 » by AtheJ415 » Thu Aug 7, 2014 1:38 am

A top 10 PG is a top 25 player in today's league. Also, Dragic may be our best player, but that's not the same thing as most talented. Bledsoe has the most talent. I'm not sure what Lowry has to do with this since he's not on the Suns and isn't a player we could get. Trading your best (or 2nd best if you'd rather) player for scraps is how you ensure your team fails. I'm not sure why you felt the need to re-hash Bledsoe's faults. We all know them. Jamesian grandeur or not, if you are fond of winning basketball games, you don't decrease your talent level simply to get rid of someone. Ever.

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Agree 1000%

Getting more assets for moving him should and could be the eventual goal.

Henson, and may be Knight along with another pick should not be only gauged on how it improves us this yr, as all of those assets can be turned into something else. McDo can weave straw into gold in a Rumplestiltskinish manner.
And both of those guys are young. If Frye can evolve into a stretch four, Henson surely can with the proper coaching. We do have that, right?

My list would say West makes us the best this yr, Josh Smith would be fun to have, and Henson/Knight/Pick is a good haul for .... dudley er... Bledsoak.

Its too bad Bledsoe does not realize this is a great place for him to thrive to levels he has yet to achieve.


This reminds me of Diamondback fans who cheered each move for a "clutch" guy and "team player" while watching all their talent go out for nothing. The result-->higher payroll and fewer wins. See, you need this thing called talent to win in basketball, and Bledsoe is arguably our most talented player, so yeah, I think you're incredibly wrong for wanting to ship him out for anyone even Yao Ming.


I dont rate Bledsoe as our most talented player. I give that nod to Dragic.Put Dragic out there with the same FA restrictions and I bet he would have many options. I don't rate Bledsoe as a top 10 PG either. Perhaps he has the potential, but he isn't there yet.

I do give Bledsoe high value in the success for this season,and would like to see him here.... but feel the FO has made an adequate adjustment in signing Thomas.

The fact we have had absolutely no enthusiasm from Bled to be here speaks volumes. Bledsoe's mind has been contaminated with Jamesian grandeur. IMO, many here over rate this guy as much as he over rates himself... and the fact that many GMs have turned away is an indicator. And Its not just the contractual equation of obtaining him that caused his barren offer sheet. When Lowry inked up, it was to death of his max deal. Lowry is a better PG and has proven it on the court.
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Post#1931 » by kingstyyyle » Thu Aug 7, 2014 1:46 am

AtheJ415 wrote:A top 10 PG is a top 25 player in today's league. Also, Dragic may be our best player, but that's not the same thing as most talented. Bledsoe has the most talent. I'm not sure what Lowry has to do with this since he's not on the Suns and isn't a player we could get. Trading your best (or 2nd best if you'd rather) player for scraps is how you ensure your team fails. I'm not sure why you felt the need to re-hash Bledsoe's faults. We all know them. Jamesian grandeur or not, if you are fond of winning basketball games, you don't decrease your talent level simply to get rid of someone. Ever.

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This reminds me of Diamondback fans who cheered each move for a "clutch" guy and "team player" while watching all their talent go out for nothing. The result-->higher payroll and fewer wins. See, you need this thing called talent to win in basketball, and Bledsoe is arguably our most talented player, so yeah, I think you're incredibly wrong for wanting to ship him out for anyone even Yao Ming.


I dont rate Bledsoe as our most talented player. I give that nod to Dragic.Put Dragic out there with the same FA restrictions and I bet he would have many options. I don't rate Bledsoe as a top 10 PG either. Perhaps he has the potential, but he isn't there yet.

I do give Bledsoe high value in the success for this season,and would like to see him here.... but feel the FO has made an adequate adjustment in signing Thomas.

The fact we have had absolutely no enthusiasm from Bled to be here speaks volumes. Bledsoe's mind has been contaminated with Jamesian grandeur. IMO, many here over rate this guy as much as he over rates himself... and the fact that many GMs have turned away is an indicator. And Its not just the contractual equation of obtaining him that caused his barren offer sheet. When Lowry inked up, it was to death of his max deal. Lowry is a better PG and has proven it on the court.

People mention Lowery because he set the market for point guards looking for contract extensions this off-season.
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Post#1932 » by Frank Lee » Thu Aug 7, 2014 1:46 am

Lowry set the Market for Bledsoe. And who is rehashing his faults?

Best or most talented ? Its measured on the court.

Scraps ? You have no idea what Bledsoe can be traded for.... I trust what the FO will do.

And you do not have much of a choice if a player does not want to play for you. Ask Minnesota about that.
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Post#1933 » by lilfishi22 » Thu Aug 7, 2014 1:54 am

AtheJ415 wrote:A top 10 PG is a top 25 player in today's league. Also, Dragic may be our best player, but that's not the same thing as most talented. Bledsoe has the most talent. I'm not sure what Lowry has to do with this since he's not on the Suns and isn't a player we could get. Trading your best (or 2nd best if you'd rather) player for scraps is how you ensure your team fails. I'm not sure why you felt the need to re-hash Bledsoe's faults. We all know them. Jamesian grandeur or not, if you are fond of winning basketball games, you don't decrease your talent level simply to get rid of someone. Ever.

What if after a year that best (or 2nd best, if you will) player walks for nothing? Would you rather scraps/assets or nothing? I agree with you in princple, but when those are the only options on the table, I know what I'm going with.
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Post#1934 » by Jdiddy701 » Thu Aug 7, 2014 1:55 am

Bledsoe is having dinner with Sarver tonight??? Some guy tweeted it. I am on my phone so can't copy it.

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Post#1935 » by AtheJ415 » Thu Aug 7, 2014 1:56 am

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AtheJ415 wrote:A top 10 PG is a top 25 player in today's league. Also, Dragic may be our best player, but that's not the same thing as most talented. Bledsoe has the most talent. I'm not sure what Lowry has to do with this since he's not on the Suns and isn't a player we could get. Trading your best (or 2nd best if you'd rather) player for scraps is how you ensure your team fails. I'm not sure why you felt the need to re-hash Bledsoe's faults. We all know them. Jamesian grandeur or not, if you are fond of winning basketball games, you don't decrease your talent level simply to get rid of someone. Ever.

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I dont rate Bledsoe as our most talented player. I give that nod to Dragic.Put Dragic out there with the same FA restrictions and I bet he would have many options. I don't rate Bledsoe as a top 10 PG either. Perhaps he has the potential, but he isn't there yet.

I do give Bledsoe high value in the success for this season,and would like to see him here.... but feel the FO has made an adequate adjustment in signing Thomas.

The fact we have had absolutely no enthusiasm from Bled to be here speaks volumes. Bledsoe's mind has been contaminated with Jamesian grandeur. IMO, many here over rate this guy as much as he over rates himself... and the fact that many GMs have turned away is an indicator. And Its not just the contractual equation of obtaining him that caused his barren offer sheet. When Lowry inked up, it was to death of his max deal. Lowry is a better PG and has proven it on the court.

People mention Lowery because he set the market for point guards looking for contract extensions this off-season.


Right, and that has nothing to do with us having to trade Bledsoe because he doesn't want to be here, nor does it have to do with who we could trade Bledsoe for, so why is that in this conversation? We all know Bledsoe's not worth the max. That's not really the topic though.
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Post#1936 » by JTrain » Thu Aug 7, 2014 1:57 am

OK don't jump me here: What do people think of Derrick Favors?
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Post#1937 » by Zelaznyrules » Thu Aug 7, 2014 1:57 am

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AtheJ415 wrote:A top 10 PG is a top 25 player in today's league. Also, Dragic may be our best player, but that's not the same thing as most talented. Bledsoe has the most talent. I'm not sure what Lowry has to do with this since he's not on the Suns and isn't a player we could get. Trading your best (or 2nd best if you'd rather) player for scraps is how you ensure your team fails. I'm not sure why you felt the need to re-hash Bledsoe's faults. We all know them. Jamesian grandeur or not, if you are fond of winning basketball games, you don't decrease your talent level simply to get rid of someone. Ever.

What if after a year that best (or 2nd best, if you will) player walks for nothing? Would you rather scraps/assets or nothing? I agree with you in princple, but when those are the only options on the table, I know what I'm going with.


You can pick up scraps and scrap-like assets at your leisure, no need to trade a potential superstar for them.
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Post#1938 » by JTrain » Thu Aug 7, 2014 1:58 am

Jdiddy701 wrote:Bledsoe is having dinner with Sarver tonight??? Some guy tweeted it. I am on my phone so can't copy it.


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Post#1939 » by SunsFanSSOL » Thu Aug 7, 2014 2:00 am

Doubt he is having dinner with Sarver considering he's at his basketball camp in Alabama. Unless Sarver flew to Alabama.

EDIT: Actually, I'm wrong, his camp ended yesterday. It's possible Bledsoe could be in Phoenix meeting with Sarver
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Post#1940 » by JDLAW » Thu Aug 7, 2014 2:03 am

JTrain wrote:OK don't jump me here: What do people think of Derrick Favors?


He is very talented, but somewhat troubled.

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