What is so different from last year?

[Revived]

Dragic took a backseat. I dont like it.

He doesn't really have a choice with us hoarding PG's. Bledsoe and IT need the ball.

It really is a shame considering him and Bledsoe led us to 48 wins last year with Bledsoe being injured most of the year.

Can you imagine what Bledsoe and Dragic could have done if it was just them this season and both stayed healthy?

[mybloodisorange]

Last year we had no expectations and Plumlee surprised us. Losing Frye and the regression of Plumdog was cushioned by Lens emergence and the Wright acquisition but that isn't our problem. I think Green and the Morri being knuckleheads sure doesn't help but I think it's our guard situation. Dragic has been inconsistent playing off the ball more since IT entered the rotation. It and Green are emotional spark plugs that can get points but sometimes they stifle ball movement too much. We need to figure out our guard glut with the trade deadline approaching and the players probably are nervous...I would be if I though I might be traded! Point being I think either way everything will settle down after the trade deadline.

[In Len We Trust]

The biggest difference is Hornaceks decision making ability has fallen off of a cliff. Last year he would make mistakes (Playing Ish Smith too much even when we blew leads with him in, some bad lineups here and there) but not very many and they usually weren't very costly. This year he is one of the worst 5 coaches in the league. I'm sure I'll get bashed for that comment, but I don't know how anybody could watch this team and pay attention to Hornaceks decisions and still think this is a well coached team.

[Revived]

The biggest difference is Hornaceks decision making ability has fallen off of a cliff. Last year he would make mistakes (Playing Ish Smith too much even when we blew leads with him in, some bad lineups here and there) but not very many and they usually weren't very costly. This year he is one of the worst 5 coaches in the league. I'm sure I'll get bashed for that comment, but I don't know how anybody could watch this team and pay attention to Hornaceks decisions and still think this is a well coached team.

Only the homers think that. I was the only one who questioned Hornacek earlier in the season but after that last game, most of the fans posting in there were against Hornacek.

More and more fans are starting to come around, it's good to see.

[In Len We Trust]

The biggest difference is Hornaceks decision making ability has fallen off of a cliff. Last year he would make mistakes (Playing Ish Smith too much even when we blew leads with him in, some bad lineups here and there) but not very many and they usually weren't very costly. This year he is one of the worst 5 coaches in the league. I'm sure I'll get bashed for that comment, but I don't know how anybody could watch this team and pay attention to Hornaceks decisions and still think this is a well coached team.

Only the homers think that. I was the only one who questioned Hornacek earlier in the season but after that last game, most of the fans posting in there were against Hornacek.

More and more fans are starting to come around, it's good to see.

Absolutely. Last year when ever I called out Hornacek I got trashed by everyone. Then once I tweeted that Hornacek giving Ish Smth too many minutes with the other team destroying us while he was in costed us a game, and I got slaughtered with hate and unfollws. I don't get why Hornacek is so unquestioned by fans. He hasn't proven anything.

[MrMiyagi]

The biggest difference is Hornaceks decision making ability has fallen off of a cliff. Last year he would make mistakes (Playing Ish Smith too much even when we blew leads with him in, some bad lineups here and there) but not very many and they usually weren't very costly. This year he is one of the worst 5 coaches in the league. I'm sure I'll get bashed for that comment, but I don't know how anybody could watch this team and pay attention to Hornaceks decisions and still think this is a well coached team.

Only the homers think that. I was the only one who questioned Hornacek earlier in the season but after that last game, most of the fans posting in there were against Hornacek.

More and more fans are starting to come around, it's good to see.

Absolutely. Last year when ever I called out Hornacek I got trashed by everyone. Then once I tweeted that Hornacek giving Ish Smth too many minutes with the other team destroying us while he was in costed us a game, and I got slaughtered with hate and unfollws. I don't get why Hornacek is so unquestioned by fans. He hasn't proven anything.

Yeah, man! What a scrub. 74-53 as a head coach in his second year ain't cutting it. Fire his ass. Steve Kerr is totally the norm for a new head coach. If you're winning percentage ain't above 80%, just give up on coaching, man.

[Revived]

Only the homers think that. I was the only one who questioned Hornacek earlier in the season but after that last game, most of the fans posting in there were against Hornacek.

More and more fans are starting to come around, it's good to see.

Absolutely. Last year when ever I called out Hornacek I got trashed by everyone. Then once I tweeted that Hornacek giving Ish Smth too many minutes with the other team destroying us while he was in costed us a game, and I got slaughtered with hate and unfollws. I don't get why Hornacek is so unquestioned by fans. He hasn't proven anything.

Yeah, man! What a scrub. 74-53 as a head coach in his second year ain't cutting it. Fire his ass. Steve Kerr is totally the norm for a new head coach. If you're winning percentage ain't above 80%, just give up on coaching, man.

Yea cause record's all that matters! The fact that both Mike Budenholzer and Steve Kerr have implanted systems in which there is ball movement, passing, shooting, defense, rebounding etc as opposed to ISO, iso, iso, pick and roll, 3 midget lineup, ISO, ISO like Hornacek has implemented doesn't matter at all! If your a former Suns player as HC, then your abstain from criticism! If you ain't ball hogging central,then you ain't doing it right, man.

[Revived]

The biggest difference is Hornaceks decision making ability has fallen off of a cliff. Last year he would make mistakes (Playing Ish Smith too much even when we blew leads with him in, some bad lineups here and there) but not very many and they usually weren't very costly. This year he is one of the worst 5 coaches in the league. I'm sure I'll get bashed for that comment, but I don't know how anybody could watch this team and pay attention to Hornaceks decisions and still think this is a well coached team.

Only the homers think that. I was the only one who questioned Hornacek earlier in the season but after that last game, most of the fans posting in there were against Hornacek.

More and more fans are starting to come around, it's good to see.

Absolutely. Last year when ever I called out Hornacek I got trashed by everyone. Then once I tweeted that Hornacek giving Ish Smth too many minutes with the other team destroying us while he was in costed us a game, and I got slaughtered with hate and unfollws. I don't get why Hornacek is so unquestioned by fans. He hasn't proven anything.

Its because he's a former Sun. People who grew up watching him play have a soft spot for him. I think that soft spot is quite big in some people but yea.

For example, if Steve Nash became a Suns HC like 10 years from now, he would get the same treatment as Hornacek. Nobody would ever criticize him and anyone that does would get flamed immediately by the fans.

The worst part about it is that this type of approval for mediocre basketball from the fans allows the FO to have an excuse for staying with it and staying mediocre.

[bwgood77]

Anyone else notice a huge difference from our team last year despite record wise, we're almost the exact same?

Is it added expectations? Is it because of low expectations from last season?

Last year, this team and its players looked like it was having fun and laughing and enjoying every game. All the games were fun for us fans as well. It was a sight to see.

This year, even the games in which we win have been depressing. Completely different demeanor from our players during games as well.

What's the difference? Is it because everyone got paid? Tucker, Kieff, Bledsoe, and Marcus all getting fat contract extensions?

Did swapping Frye for IT really make this much of a difference? Magic fans sure don't see Frye bringing much joy to their team or its fans in Orlando.

IT had a bad rep prior to coming here but is it really all on him?

What the hell is so different about this team from last year? Its not just about wins and losses because like I said, we're on pace for about the same as last year. Its probably just me but the vibe from this team just does not feel right.

This is a thread from last year after the season ended, barring major changes I doubt many, if any, feel the same way anymore

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I remember talking about it in projection threads and stuff about how last year was like a perfect storm and I was afraid we may not have that chemistry this year, especially if people may not be happy about how much others are getting paid.

I do admit the style isn't as fun to watch and I think originally IT had a lot to do with that and disrupted chemistry. I think it has gotten better, but of course I hate losing so many close games. At least most of them, at least lately, are to elite teams (which doesn't make it that much less frustrating, but I don't consider them bad losses). It seems one are we have improved in the last month or so is that we almost always take care of the teams we SHOULD beat, which wasn't the case last year and the beginning of this year, so I think in that respect, the team has grown and learned to take care of business and not take any team lightly.

I don't really think we have any stars, so if I take a step back and look at how we are actually doing, I still find it quite impressive that we hang with all the teams that do have stars for the most part. We do need to get over that hump though. I do think in the next year or two, a couple of those teams will start to fade though as their stars get older. Of course then you have teams with young good players getting better like the Pelicans, and further down the road, the Jazz and TWolves possibly.

[In Len We Trust]

Only the homers think that. I was the only one who questioned Hornacek earlier in the season but after that last game, most of the fans posting in there were against Hornacek.

More and more fans are starting to come around, it's good to see.

Absolutely. Last year when ever I called out Hornacek I got trashed by everyone. Then once I tweeted that Hornacek giving Ish Smth too many minutes with the other team destroying us while he was in costed us a game, and I got slaughtered with hate and unfollws. I don't get why Hornacek is so unquestioned by fans. He hasn't proven anything.

Yeah, man! What a scrub. 74-53 as a head coach in his second year ain't cutting it. Fire his ass. Steve Kerr is totally the norm for a new head coach. If you're winning percentage ain't above 80%, just give up on coaching, man.

Yes, let's ignore every mistake he makes. He's so perfect. I mean, waiting a month and a half to start Len over Plumlee even though it was an obvious decision 1 week into the season? Genius. Totally understandable. You know your head coach is smart when Markieff and Marcus Morris, 2 AWFUL rebounders, are on the court to close the game against Randolph and Gasol AS THE PF AND CENTER! And that game where Green started 0-4 on threes and Hornacek still let him shoot whatever he wanted so he was like 0-11 or 0-12 from 3 till he made one... Brilliant coaching, especially considering the fact that Keef was having an awesome night and he still got less shot attempts than Green. That lost us that game.

And Hornacek also refuses to play more of an inside out game to open up more for our 3 point shooters and get more ball movement on offense. I could list of about 20 more reasons why Hornacek is awful but I don't feel like it. Hornacek is a flat out bad coach and we will never be truly successful going forward with him running the show. /rant

[Revived]

Anyone else notice a huge difference from our team last year despite record wise, we're almost the exact same?

Is it added expectations? Is it because of low expectations from last season?

Last year, this team and its players looked like it was having fun and laughing and enjoying every game. All the games were fun for us fans as well. It was a sight to see.

This year, even the games in which we win have been depressing. Completely different demeanor from our players during games as well.

What's the difference? Is it because everyone got paid? Tucker, Kieff, Bledsoe, and Marcus all getting fat contract extensions?

Did swapping Frye for IT really make this much of a difference? Magic fans sure don't see Frye bringing much joy to their team or its fans in Orlando.

IT had a bad rep prior to coming here but is it really all on him?

What the hell is so different about this team from last year? Its not just about wins and losses because like I said, we're on pace for about the same as last year. Its probably just me but the vibe from this team just does not feel right.

This is a thread from last year after the season ended, barring major changes I doubt many, if any, feel the same way anymore

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I remember talking about it in projection threads and stuff about how last year was like a perfect storm and I was afraid we may not have that chemistry this year, especially if people may not be happy about how much others are getting paid.

I do admit the style isn't as fun to watch and I think originally IT had a lot to do with that and disrupted chemistry. I think it has gotten better, but of course I hate losing so many close games. At least most of them, at least lately, are to elite teams (which doesn't make it that much less frustrating, but I don't consider them bad losses). It seems one are we have improved in the last month or so is that we almost always take care of the teams we SHOULD beat, which wasn't the case last year and the beginning of this year, so I think in that respect, the team has grown and learned to take care of business and not take any team lightly.

I don't really think we have any stars, so if I take a step back and look at how we are actually doing, I still find it quite impressive that we hang with all the teams that do have stars for the most part. We do need to get over that hump though. I do think in the next year or two, a couple of those teams will start to fade though as their stars get older. Of course then you have teams with young good players getting better like the Pelicans, and further down the road, the Jazz and TWolves possibly.

See that's the thing. All those teams are actually playing their 24 & under young players. Their developing those guys with actual game minutes while we bench ours (besides Len).

I'm not saying we should start our guys but trades should have been already which would have cleared up back up playing time for guys like Goodwin, Warren and maybe Bullock and Ennis as well.

I can see the Suns ending up in a Bucks Tobias Harris type situation. We'll end up losing one of these young kids because we never gave them playing time and they could go on to play well elsewhere making us regret it.

[MrMiyagi]

Let's all forget that when we mounted our comeback against Memphis, it was with the small-ball lineup. Let's also forget that our offense is 4th in PPG as well as 8th in Off Rtg.

I'm not trying to absolve Hornacek of his wrongs. Yes Marcus shouldn't have been on the court in crunch time. Yes our defense gives up the 3rd most points in the NBA and is ranked 20th in defensive rating. Our team does have problems, but y'all are acting like Hornacek is the worst head coach in the NBA when that is far from being true.

Everyone keeps getting pissed as the small-ball lineup when all we're doing really is playing our 4 best players + 1. As much as y'all want to complain, Bledsoe, Dragic, IT and Kieff are our 4 best players. Last time I checked, Hornacek doesn't have control over the roster, McD does. And don't you guys go telling me that McD is a bad GM right now, when he stole Bledsoe and Wright, got Kieff on a GREAT deal, made some good draft picks and got us a good asset in IT - a 20 and 8 guy on a great deal.

You guys make it seem like we're stuck with this roster forever and there is no possible way to get to the next level. You guys love throwing big names out there like this is NBA 2K and everyone is available for draft picks and matching salaries, when it isn't. We're in a good spot. Just be patience, dammit!

[MrMiyagi]

For all those hating on Kieff, check out Zach Lowe giving some love to the big guy.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/time- ... -clippers/

[bwgood77]

IMO it's more on us than the team. We're too spoiled with great teams that had a lot of success, and as soon as this unit started clicking we started expecting better results.

I wouldn't say we're spoiled when our trophy case is as empty as it was when the team was founded.

I realize that we have like the best winning percentage out of teams who have never won a title and that we have a top 5 winning record over past 10-15 years or whatever but I wouldn't say we're spoiled until we win titles.

LAL fans, for example, are spoiled. 5 titles in 16 years. Heat fans, also, are spoiled. 3 titles in 7 years. Spurs fans, obviously, are spoiled with their 5 titles in 16 years. You get the point.

Well, according to most teams, we have had pretty good success, and until this last 4 years, we hadn't missed the playoffs even two consecutive years since the 87-88 year and the rise of KJ.

I didn't really start following the team closely until after the KJ trade. I vaguely remember the Nance dunk contest and stuff but I was pretty young. But after 88, we didn't miss until 2001-2, and guess who we got in the 2002 draft? Amare. That was almost like getting a #1 pick. Sure, Yao went #1 that year, but Amare won ROY and was definitely at a minimum a top two guy in that draft. Then we made the playoffs, with him as a rookie, had a couple of fun wins against the Spurs (the first year they won a title)...they lost as many games to us in the playoffs as to anyone else.

Of course we missed the next year, got a good pick in the draft (so we could get Iguodala or Deng) and then made the Nash trade and the rest is history. Yes, that part in parenthesis still pisses me off.

We missed it three consecutive years before the KJ era when Colangelo got rid of all the druggies on the team. Before those three years we made it 8 years in a row.

We've made it to the conf finals a bunch of times and the nba finals twice. I know those with a championship or bust mentality will likely never be happy with the team but I enjoy watching all the times they battle in the playoffs, and enjoy watching them and hoping they get there...but of course many times it is frustrating.

[In Len We Trust]

Let's all forget that when we mounted our comeback against Memphis, it was with the small-ball lineup. Let's also forget that our offense is 4th in PPG as well as 8th in Off Rtg.

I'm not trying to absolve Hornacek of his wrongs. Yes Marcus shouldn't have been on the court in crunch time. Yes our defense gives up the 3rd most points in the NBA and is ranked 20th in defensive rating. Our team does have problems, but y'all are acting like Hornacek is the worst head coach in the NBA when that is far from being true.

Everyone keeps getting pissed as the small-ball lineup when all we're doing really is playing our 4 best players + 1. As much as y'all want to complain, Bledsoe, Dragic, IT and Kieff are our 4 best players. Last time I checked, Hornacek doesn't have control over the roster, McD does. And don't you guys go telling me that McD is a bad GM right now, when he stole Bledsoe and Wright, got Kieff on a GREAT deal, made some good draft picks and got us a good asset in IT - a 20 and 8 guy on a great deal.

You guys make it seem like we're stuck with this roster forever and there is no possible way to get to the next level. You guys love throwing big names out there like this is NBA 2K and everyone is available for draft picks and matching salaries, when it isn't. We're in a good spot. Just be patience, dammit!

I love small ball when it is IT/Bled/Dragic/Keef/Len. Len or Wright at center for the 3 PG lineup is an absolute MUST when Randolph and Gasol are in the game. Absolutely no way you can deny that. That is equivalent to passing on 2nd and 1 yard away from a touchdown when you have Marshawn Lynch.

[bwgood77]

The biggest difference is Hornaceks decision making ability has fallen off of a cliff. Last year he would make mistakes (Playing Ish Smith too much even when we blew leads with him in, some bad lineups here and there) but not very many and they usually weren't very costly. This year he is one of the worst 5 coaches in the league. I'm sure I'll get bashed for that comment, but I don't know how anybody could watch this team and pay attention to Hornaceks decisions and still think this is a well coached team.

Only the homers think that. I was the only one who questioned Hornacek earlier in the season but after that last game, most of the fans posting in there were against Hornacek.

More and more fans are starting to come around, it's good to see.

Absolutely. Last year when ever I called out Hornacek I got trashed by everyone. Then once I tweeted that Hornacek giving Ish Smth too many minutes with the other team destroying us while he was in costed us a game, and I got slaughtered with hate and unfollws. I don't get why Hornacek is so unquestioned by fans. He hasn't proven anything.

He's going to make mistakes, but I would bet if you did a poll of fans on a regular news site, Suns fans or general nba fans he would get somewhere around a 95% approval rating. It is only the people with vastly unrealistic expectations that are thinking he should be fired or something. And I only see about two people here talking about him much. A few have joined your bandwagon but most just decide not to comment at all.

Sure people will comment that certain decisions are frustrating, but you also have to remember it may have not worked about better had a different decision been made. He is also the pro who has played a number of years, been an assistant a number of years, vastly coached guys to play way above their potential last year and had the most surprising team in the league in years. Regression for these guys was expected.

I think the bigger problem may have been trying to add more players and disrupting chemistry.

But ultimately, he is young, and he is going to make mistakes. I can guarantee you ownership and management are very happy to have Hornacek around and he isn't going anywhere any time soon, so constantly complaining isn't going to do much good and is just going to continue to get more tiresome for everyone.

I can understand saying "I don't understand why Hornacek didn't do this, etc" because it is valid, but the guy is a VERY long way away from deserving to be fired or criticized THAT much. He's definitely made mistakes, but so have all coaches, even the very best ones.

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IMO it's more on us than the team. We're too spoiled with great teams that had a lot of success, and as soon as this unit started clicking we started expecting better results.

I wouldn't say we're spoiled when our trophy case is as empty as it was when the team was founded.

I realize that we have like the best winning percentage out of teams who have never won a title and that we have a top 5 winning record over past 10-15 years or whatever but I wouldn't say we're spoiled until we win titles.

LAL fans, for example, are spoiled. 5 titles in 16 years. Heat fans, also, are spoiled. 3 titles in 7 years. Spurs fans, obviously, are spoiled with their 5 titles in 16 years. You get the point.

Well, according to most teams, we have had pretty good success, and until this last 4 years, we hadn't missed the playoffs even two consecutive years since the 87-88 year and the rise of KJ.

I didn't really start following the team closely until after the KJ trade. I vaguely remember the Nance dunk contest and stuff but I was pretty young. But after 88, we didn't miss until 2001-2, and guess who we got in the 2002 draft? Amare. That was almost like getting a #1 pick. Sure, Yao went #1 that year, but Amare won ROY and was definitely at a minimum a top two guy in that draft. Then we made the playoffs, with him as a rookie, had a couple of fun wins against the Spurs (the first year they won a title)...they lost as many games to us in the playoffs as to anyone else.

Of course we missed the next year, got a good pick in the draft (so we could get Iguodala or Deng) and then made the Nash trade and the rest is history. Yes, that part in parenthesis still pisses me off.

We missed it three consecutive years before the KJ era when Colangelo got rid of all the druggies on the team. Before those three years we made it 8 years in a row.

We've made it to the conf finals a bunch of times and the nba finals twice. I know those with a championship or bust mentality will likely never be happy with the team but I enjoy watching all the times they battle in the playoffs, and enjoy watching them and hoping they get there...but of course many times it is frustrating.

Right now, we need to figure out a way to make playoffs first. I know we're #8 right now but we're holding on for dear life with the #9 seed only 1 game away.

Last year we had a bigger lead and we still choked it away.

This team has been middle of the pack/mediocre in recent years. In the past 6 years, the Suns have finished in the middle of the pack 4 times. 2009, 2011, 2012, and 2014. I want that to change. Either bottom out or become a sure lock playoff team (not contender, just playoffs).

[Revived]

Only the homers think that. I was the only one who questioned Hornacek earlier in the season but after that last game, most of the fans posting in there were against Hornacek.

More and more fans are starting to come around, it's good to see.

Absolutely. Last year when ever I called out Hornacek I got trashed by everyone. Then once I tweeted that Hornacek giving Ish Smth too many minutes with the other team destroying us while he was in costed us a game, and I got slaughtered with hate and unfollws. I don't get why Hornacek is so unquestioned by fans. He hasn't proven anything.

He's going to make mistakes, but I would bet if you did a poll of fans on a regular news site, Suns fans or general nba fans he would get somewhere around a 95% approval rating. It is only the people with vastly unrealistic expectations that are thinking he should be fired or something. And I only see about two people here talking about him much. A few have joined your bandwagon but most just decide not to comment at all.

Sure people will comment that certain decisions are frustrating, but you also have to remember it may have not worked about better had a different decision been made. He is also the pro who has played a number of years, been an assistant a number of years, vastly coached guys to play way above their potential last year and had the most surprising team in the league in years. Regression for these guys was expected.

I think the bigger problem may have been trying to add more players and disrupting chemistry.

But ultimately, he is young, and he is going to make mistakes. I can guarantee you ownership and management are very happy to have Hornacek around and he isn't going anywhere any time soon, so constantly complaining isn't going to do much good and is just going to continue to get more tiresome for everyone.

I can understand saying "I don't understand why Hornacek didn't do this, etc" because it is valid, but the guy is a VERY long way away from deserving to be fired or criticized THAT much. He's definitely made mistakes, but so have all coaches, even the very best ones.

How is making playoffs so unrealistic for a team that was a Bledsoe injury away from making it last year? We won 48 last year without Bledsoe half the season, why is winning 50-52 so unrealistic?

As for people not commenting, you can check out the game day thread. There was plenty of people commenting about him in there. Most of those people haven't even been on RealGM and posted at all since. I'm gonna assume they'll probably be back for the next game.

I'm not quite on the "Fire Hornacek" bandwagon but I'm definitely on the "Hornacek needs to change his ways" bandwagon.

[bwgood77]

Only the homers think that. I was the only one who questioned Hornacek earlier in the season but after that last game, most of the fans posting in there were against Hornacek.

More and more fans are starting to come around, it's good to see.

Absolutely. Last year when ever I called out Hornacek I got trashed by everyone. Then once I tweeted that Hornacek giving Ish Smth too many minutes with the other team destroying us while he was in costed us a game, and I got slaughtered with hate and unfollws. I don't get why Hornacek is so unquestioned by fans. He hasn't proven anything.

Its because he's a former Sun. People who grew up watching him play have a soft spot for him. I think that soft spot is quite big in some people but yea.

For example, if Steve Nash became a Suns HC like 10 years from now, he would get the same treatment as Hornacek. Nobody would ever criticize him and anyone that does would get flamed immediately by the fans.

The worst part about it is that this type of approval for mediocre basketball from the fans allows the FO to have an excuse for staying with it and staying mediocre.

I think the former Sun thing helps with some older fans. It doesn't make a bit of difference with me. But I don't blame coaches nearly as much as most people do anyway. I really haven't liked some of them but I did like D'Antoni, Gentry and l like Hornacek. I think they all make mistakes, but I think they are pretty good coaches. I think D'Antoni put together a magical team and that there probably wasn't another guy that would have had that same 2004-5 season he did. I don't know that another coach could have even done as well with that same group of guys with a different system. Gentry did well with a slightly different cast but with pretty much the same system. Hornacek vastly blew my expectations away, and even now, I think we probably have the talent that should be around 500, but Hornacek still has them playing better than that.

I think any other coach took this team over last year we get about 25-30 wins and this year if we got to 40 you guys would probably be happy with where we are.

[MrMiyagi]

Absolutely. Last year when ever I called out Hornacek I got trashed by everyone. Then once I tweeted that Hornacek giving Ish Smth too many minutes with the other team destroying us while he was in costed us a game, and I got slaughtered with hate and unfollws. I don't get why Hornacek is so unquestioned by fans. He hasn't proven anything.

Its because he's a former Sun. People who grew up watching him play have a soft spot for him. I think that soft spot is quite big in some people but yea.

For example, if Steve Nash became a Suns HC like 10 years from now, he would get the same treatment as Hornacek. Nobody would ever criticize him and anyone that does would get flamed immediately by the fans.

The worst part about it is that this type of approval for mediocre basketball from the fans allows the FO to have an excuse for staying with it and staying mediocre.

I think the former Sun thing helps with some older fans. It doesn't make a bit of difference with me. But I don't blame coaches nearly as much as most people do anyway. I really haven't liked some of them but I did like D'Antoni, Gentry and l like Hornacek. I think they all make mistakes, but I think they are pretty good coaches. I think D'Antoni put together a magical team and that there probably wasn't another guy that would have had that same 2004-5 season he did. I don't know that another coach could have even done as well with that same group of guys with a different system. Gentry did well with a slightly different cast but with pretty much the same system. Hornacek vastly blew my expectations away, and even now, I think we probably have the talent that should be around 500, but Hornacek still has them playing better than that.

I think any other coach took this team over last year we get about 25-30 wins and this year if we got to 40 you guys would probably be happy with where we are.

The other thing is, everyone thinks that everyone else's team is better off. I went and checked out Memphis's game thread (which was kind of pathetic) and everyone was talking about how **** they played. I think this board is too focused on negatives. When we win, we're still terrible and lucky to have won that game. We lose, proof of how terrible we are. I don't understand how anyone can enjoy watching sports that way.