Offseason Thread 7: A Tale Of Two Dragons

phrazbit · Post #201 » by **phrazbit** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:46 pm

JTrain wrote:I could be off, but I think, if Goran's cap hold is 7.5 * 1.5 = 11.25M, that would put our total at about 65.7. The cap is projected to be 66.5.

Now, can someone tell me how we can maneuver that situation to sign Green and Dragic?

We're not resigning Green. I would bet my house on it.

phrazbit · Post #202 » by **phrazbit** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:48 pm

I don't think these deals make or break us but its really hard to see this as the "we will take a discount to stay together" that was advertised. Kieff got roughly market value as a free agent and Marcus... would probably have gotten something like a 4 mil/2 year deal as a free agent. Rather than taking less to stay together IMO Marcus got a serious overpay to ride his brother's coattails.

JTrain · Post #203 » by **JTrain** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:51 pm

phrazbit wrote:
JTrain wrote:I could be off, but I think, if Goran's cap hold is 7.5 * 1.5 = 11.25M, that would put our total at about 65.7. The cap is projected to be 66.5.

Now, can someone tell me how we can maneuver that situation to sign Green and Dragic?

We're not resigning Green. I would bet my house on it.

Why?

JTrain · Post #204 » by **JTrain** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:52 pm

bigfoot wrote:
JTrain wrote:I could be off, but I think, if Goran's cap hold is 7.5 * 1.5 = 11.25M, that would put our total at about 65.7. The cap is projected to be 66.5.

Now, can someone tell me how we can maneuver that situation to sign Green and Dragic?

There is no problem. We can sign both of them and exceed the salary cap. Question is Sarver willing to exceed the luxury tax?

I thought you had to be under up until the last player?

bigfoot · Post #205 » by **bigfoot** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:56 pm

JTrain wrote:
bigfoot wrote:
JTrain wrote:I could be off, but I think, if Goran's cap hold is 7.5 * 1.5 = 11.25M, that would put our total at about 65.7. The cap is projected to be 66.5.

Now, can someone tell me how we can maneuver that situation to sign Green and Dragic?

There is no problem. We can sign both of them and exceed the salary cap. Question is Sarver willing to exceed the luxury tax?

I thought you had to be under up until the last player?

If you are trying to sign other teams free agents you need to have space under the cap. With your own free agents you can exceed the cap.

JTrain · Post #206 » by **JTrain** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:57 pm

So why on earth would we not want to keep Green? He has an offensive spark that no one else can match.

phrazbit · Post #207 » by **phrazbit** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:58 pm

JTrain wrote:
phrazbit wrote:
JTrain wrote:I could be off, but I think, if Goran's cap hold is 7.5 * 1.5 = 11.25M, that would put our total at about 65.7. The cap is projected to be 66.5.

Now, can someone tell me how we can maneuver that situation to sign Green and Dragic?

We're not resigning Green. I would bet my house on it.

Why?

There are a few of reasons, but primarily because we've already spent a lot of money and just used a lotto pick on the wing positions. There are not enough minutes and dollars to make signing him make sense. Factor in that he is a terrible defensive player and has a history that makes signing him to a long term deal seem very risky, and I'd place the odds of the Suns extending Green at roughly 0.01%.

IMO he is going to get traded, and perhaps before the season even starts.

Calvin Klein · Post #208 » by **Calvin Klein** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 8:58 pm

Besides all that "Morris brothers want to stay together" thing, keeping Marcus over Green would probably be a mistake.

phrazbit · Post #209 » by **phrazbit** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:02 pm

Calvin Klein wrote:Besides all that "Morris brothers want to stay together" thing, keeping Marcus over Green would probably be a mistake.

While I'm not wild about Marcus, I disagree with this. I'd rather have a guy who can swing to PF from SF than a SG/SF. Green is also really bad on defense, Green is older, Green would probably cost a LOT more money and Green's career history make a major regression seem not only possible but likely.

Post #210 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:09 pm

bigfoot wrote:
JTrain wrote:I could be off, but I think, if Goran's cap hold is 7.5 * 1.5 = 11.25M, that would put our total at about 65.7. The cap is projected to be 66.5.

Now, can someone tell me how we can maneuver that situation to sign Green and Dragic?

There is no problem. We can sign both of them and exceed the salary cap. Question is Sarver willing to exceed the luxury tax?

I don't think we will be that close to the tax will we? I think the lux tax line is estimated to be at about 82.

bigfoot · Post #211 » by **bigfoot** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:23 pm

bwgood77 wrote:
bigfoot wrote:
JTrain wrote:I could be off, but I think, if Goran's cap hold is 7.5 * 1.5 = 11.25M, that would put our total at about 65.7. The cap is projected to be 66.5.

Now, can someone tell me how we can maneuver that situation to sign Green and Dragic?

There is no problem. We can sign both of them and exceed the salary cap. Question is Sarver willing to exceed the luxury tax?

I don't think we will be that close to the tax will we? I think the lux tax line is estimated to be at about 82.

True if we only sign Goran at say $15M we will be at $70M ... above the cap but below the luxury tax. If we retained Green for $5M per year we are still below the lux tax.

Post #212 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:25 pm

Yeah, and I think we would have the full mid level exception if we wanted to use it and could still stay under the tax.

charley barkles · Post #213 » by **charley barkles** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:40 pm

Calvin Klein wrote:PJ wearing vintage Suns jersey

http://instagram.com/p/tiwmpogXwP/

I was really hoping the Morris twins would be sitting next to each other... :lol:

This looks fun! Looks like they are a high school team heading off to camp together...

JDLAW · Post #214 » by **JDLAW** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:47 pm

phrazbit wrote:
JTrain wrote:I could be off, but I think, if Goran's cap hold is 7.5 * 1.5 = 11.25M, that would put our total at about 65.7. The cap is projected to be 66.5.

Now, can someone tell me how we can maneuver that situation to sign Green and Dragic?

We're not resigning Green. I would bet my house on it.

Where do you live, I want to see if it is worth the bet? :lol:

Seriously, the team has Bird rights fro both players they can exceed the cap to sign them both!

King4Day · Post #215 » by **King4Day** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:16 pm

Calvin Klein wrote:Besides all that "Morris brothers want to stay together" thing, keeping Marcus over Green would probably be a mistake.

I see it as keeping IT over Green.
If Green plays as well as he did last season, he's going to get a contract more than Marcus did as there's more need for SF's in the league.
I can agree Green would be more effective but with Thomas, we technical don't need him after this season.

JTrain · Post #216 » by **JTrain** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:26 pm

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13LwHcYmtpk[/youtube]

jcsunsfan · Post #217 » by **jcsunsfan** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:43 pm

Green, Marcus, PJ, TJ.

One of these is going to ride the pine and eventually someone is going to get moved. Green is a logical choice based upon when his contract is over, age, and who else is on the roster.

JTrain · Post #218 » by **JTrain** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:58 pm

TJ can be tried some at PF. I imagine Marcus will start to play a lot more PF as well. Green can also get a few minutes at SG. Unless TJ is an immediate success and his play demands 15+ minutes, I think there will be 20-24 minutes available for Green.

Post #219 » by **lilfishi22** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:00 pm

wheezy wrote:
aIvin adams wrote:
SSOL wrote:Yep, 4/32 and 4/20. Love it.

I don't recognize this guy without a dozen croissants in his hand.

I actually didn't recognise him at all...it was only when you mentioned donuts did I put 2 and 2 together...

Post #220 » by **lilfishi22** » Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:14 pm

aIvin adams wrote:Q: "Markieff did this take a load off, getting this done before the season?"
Mk: "I wasn't even thinking about this. It came out of nowhere. We were just getting ready for the season."

i believe it. that's awesome

That's dope. Shows McD knows what he's doing using the good faith the Suns bought by bringing over Kieff's brother and now cashing it in with an early extension. Well done McD