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2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch - Revised Poll

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Who do you prefer of the following prospects?

Desmond Bane
12
41%
Saddiq Bey
1
3%
RJ Hampton
1
3%
Kira Lewis Jr
4
14%
Tyrese Maxey
2
7%
Aaron Nesmith
2
7%
Isaac Okoro
1
3%
Jalen Smith
2
7%
Tyrell Terry
2
7%
Patrick Williams
2
7%
 
Total votes: 29

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Post#2081 » by RedIndian » Sat Oct 31, 2020 5:59 am

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Tyler Bey again would be an awesome secondary pick with a late first/ early 2nd. He's the 2nd most versatile wing player in the draft only behind Devin Vassell. He'd offer ELITE VERSATILE LOCKDOWN DEFENSE, and much like Haliburton, He's also a very efficient shooter from three at over 41%. :nod:

Tyler Bey has made a sum total of 18 threes in his 3 year college career. I wouldn't call him any sort of 3-point shooter.
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Post#2082 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Oct 31, 2020 1:19 pm

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Tyler Bey again would be an awesome secondary pick with a late first/ early 2nd. He's the 2nd most versatile wing player in the draft only behind Devin Vassell. He'd offer ELITE VERSATILE LOCKDOWN DEFENSE, and much like Haliburton, He's also a very efficient shooter from three at over 41%. :nod:

Tyler Bey has made a sum total of 18 threes in his 3 year college career. I wouldn't call him any sort of 3-point shooter.


But I didn't, And that's really quite obviously not his role anyways. Tyler Bey is very much an ELITE disruptive multipositional defensive playmaker with elite defensive awareness and elite rebounding and shotblocking abilities. He's very similar to Devin Vassell on the defensive end, Yet had a completely different role on the offensive end for Colorado. So should I fault a player for playing within the role he was asked to play in by his coach? Of course not! That would be silly. He's a team first guy not a me first guy, And that's really what we need to add to this team, As we already have our star trio of Booker/ Ayton Oubre. And even our secondary options of Cam Johnson/ Saric, Bridges to an extent. So do we really need a rookie use role will be to take more shots away from those players?

Again, The point is that the reason he that didn't take alot of 3 point shots though was because that wasn't his role at Colorado man. He was best as a low usage elite versatile and highly switchable defensive play maker. An ultimate glue guy for his team! And even then, He still shot 41%. He's exactly what we need in today's small ball positionless basketball game. We don't need high usage players taking the ball out of Booker's/ Oubres'/ Aytons' hands obviously. We need versatile disruptive lockdown defensive play makers AS WELL AS additional shooting and playmaking. This will free our offensive players up more to focus on a more potent offense.

And don't forget, We can initially use our primary earlier pick in a trade back scenario for elite shooting/ playmaking/ ISo creation if we so choose. But there are always two sides to the game. And both are important. And currently we only have Bridges as our defensive lynchpin. We could always use another to help him out too. Especially if we aren't planning to target Devin Vassell.

Bey offers pretty much the same elite defensive versatility, and switchability to cover multiple positions ( 1-4) and even the 5 in certain situations. And again, even on low usage, he's still shown to be efficient in his role. He should absolutely be a strong target for us if we trade back and acquire a 2nd ( late first) early 2nd. He'd provide immense value to us in that regard. :nod:
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#2083 » by Frank Lee » Sat Oct 31, 2020 2:39 pm

Awesome prospect #57

Deepest draft ever :roll:

A whole legion of podders tweeters bloggers and writers are cashing in on the junkie-like desire serving up tidbits and takes to recycle amongst the hungry fanatics. Rats we are, starved for cheese.

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How is it we know more about these players yet have seen less of them? This is the video/tape measure/statametrics draft.

Good luck JJones ... do your homework. Im sure he will focus on the same checklist. IQ, shooting, maturity, character
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Post#2084 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Oct 31, 2020 3:59 pm

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#2085 » by darealjuice » Sat Oct 31, 2020 6:47 pm

The more I watch Aaron Nesmith, the more I like him. He has plenty of room for improvement as a ball handler and shot creator, but he has a good base to build on and his season-to-season improvement was impressive. Obviously he's a flamethrower from 3 and can do it spotting up and coming off screens. He has the potential to be a serious weapon on offense. Question is whether he can defend well enough to stay on the floor.

His low assist numbers and assist to turnover ratio are a bit concerning, but I wonder how much of that results from his role being more of a pure shooter/scorer. I wish we got to see him against more SEC opponents too, Vanderbilt's non-conference schedule was not very impressive. Obviously the stress fracture in his foot is concerning as well.

I'm not sure where he'd fit in the short-term with our current wing rotation, but it'd make sense if Kelly's days as a Sun were numbered. He does seem like a James Jones prospect, and you can never have enough shooting. Not sure he'd be my guy at 10 though.
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Post#2086 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Oct 31, 2020 8:47 pm

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#2087 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Oct 31, 2020 9:32 pm

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Post#2088 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Oct 31, 2020 10:54 pm

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Post#2089 » by Kerrsed » Sat Oct 31, 2020 10:59 pm

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If you click the picture of the Bey comparison, there are way more stats.
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Post#2090 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:07 pm

Kerrsed wrote:
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Definitely! Thanks man! :wink:
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Prospect Watch 

Post#2091 » by Djedefre » Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:29 pm

I do not like Nesmith @ #10. At all. Might get much better value with Merrill in 2nd round if that kind of player is indeed our preference.
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Post#2092 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:37 pm

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NBA Prospect Play of the Day: Tyler Bey is a human pogo stick who makes plays defensively all over the floor. Excellent timing and instincts around the rim despite standing just 6-7. Averaged 2.1 steals and 1.5 blocks per 40 minutes last season. Energetic. https://t.co/TeZDOMG0Qf
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Tyler Bey is unquestionably one of the most exciting defensive prospects to watch in the 2020 draft. While not all good defenders are traditionally fun to watch, Bey bucks that trend with his high level of athleticism and length to have an enormous impact on the defensive side of the ball.

Standing 6’7 and nearly 220 lbs, Bey has prototypical wing size for the modern-day defensive forward tasked with defending positions one through four on the court. Bey’s rumored seven-foot plus wingspan and quick-twitch athleticism allow him to erase large swaths of the floor for opposing offenses. He can match up with the opposing team’s best offensive guard or wing and make

Because he can guard multiple positions, it’s hard to erase his defensive impact by pushing his defensive assignment out of the play. Even when switched off of the primary ball-handler, his enormously high basketball IQ on defense allows eliminate passing lanes, cutters, and dump off passes by reading the eyes of the passer and rotating as a help-side shot blocker.

He’s the type of team defender that has made players like Draymond Green and Matisse Thybulle so highly valued in today’s game. He’s got All-Defensive team potential due to his instincts as a junior in college.

Bey averaged 1.2 blocks per game in each of his last two seasons at Colorado and upped his steal average to 1.5 per game as a junior to earn PAC-12 Defensive Player of the Year honors.
It’s difficult to not draw comparisons between Bey and former Colorado star Andre Roberson from their college days.


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Tyler Bey is an amazingly versatile and ELITE multipositional defender in the same archetype of Devin Vassell. And he's got a really solid work ethic and is improving upon his perimeter game too. I really want us to trade back with Boston for their 14/26 So that we can take one of Bane/ Terry/ Lewis. Then at 26 we take one of Tyler Bey/ Xavier Tillman or Daniel Oturu? That'd be an optimal draft night scenario for us! :nod:
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Post#2093 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sat Oct 31, 2020 11:39 pm

Djedefre wrote:I do not like Nesmith @ #10. At all. Might get much better value with Merrill in 2nd round if that kind of player is indeed our preference.


Thank you!
I'm glad that someone else with a discerning eye can actually see Merrill's potential value! :clap:
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Post#2094 » by Kerrsed » Sun Nov 1, 2020 12:59 am

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Mike Schmitz (@Mike_Schmitz) Tweeted:
NBA Prospect Play of the Day: Tyler Bey is a human pogo stick who makes plays defensively all over the floor. Excellent timing and instincts around the rim despite standing just 6-7. Averaged 2.1 steals and 1.5 blocks per 40 minutes last season. Energetic. https://t.co/TeZDOMG0Qf
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https://kslsports.com/442279/utah-jazz-nba-draft-prospects-colorado-forward-tyler-bey/

Tyler Bey is unquestionably one of the most exciting defensive prospects to watch in the 2020 draft. While not all good defenders are traditionally fun to watch, Bey bucks that trend with his high level of athleticism and length to have an enormous impact on the defensive side of the ball.

Standing 6’7 and nearly 220 lbs, Bey has prototypical wing size for the modern-day defensive forward tasked with defending positions one through four on the court. Bey’s rumored seven-foot plus wingspan and quick-twitch athleticism allow him to erase large swaths of the floor for opposing offenses. He can match up with the opposing team’s best offensive guard or wing and make

Because he can guard multiple positions, it’s hard to erase his defensive impact by pushing his defensive assignment out of the play. Even when switched off of the primary ball-handler, his enormously high basketball IQ on defense allows eliminate passing lanes, cutters, and dump off passes by reading the eyes of the passer and rotating as a help-side shot blocker.

He’s the type of team defender that has made players like Draymond Green and Matisse Thybulle so highly valued in today’s game. He’s got All-Defensive team potential due to his instincts as a junior in college.

Bey averaged 1.2 blocks per game in each of his last two seasons at Colorado and upped his steal average to 1.5 per game as a junior to earn PAC-12 Defensive Player of the Year honors.
It’s difficult to not draw comparisons between Bey and former Colorado star Andre Roberson from their college days.


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Tyler Bey is an amazingly versatile and ELITE multipositional defender in the same archetype of Devin Vassell. And he's got a really solid work ethic and is improving upon his perimeter game too. I really want us to trade back with Boston for their 14/26 So that we can take one of Bane/ Terry/ Lewis. Then at 26 we take one of Tyler Bey/ Xavier Tillman or Daniel Oturu? That'd be an optimal draft night scenario for us! :nod:


And all that is why i have him at #13 on my Big Board that i did back in September (I have the other Bey at #23). All mocks have that reversed, but just watch, Tyler will be the better Bey in the NBA.
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Post#2095 » by TheLogician » Sun Nov 1, 2020 12:23 pm

I'm warming up to Cole Anthony at #10. It would not surprise me if he's the best player from this draft.
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Post#2096 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Nov 1, 2020 7:27 pm

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Not bad, But he really needs to improve his weakside defense/ shotblocking for a guy with his size, length, mobility and energy. Otherwise you at best may have a Channing Frye 2.0 ? And we need shotblocking and floor spacing next to Ayton above all else.
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Post#2097 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Nov 1, 2020 10:32 pm

For anyone who might have concerns over Terry getting stronger and improving his athleticism:

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Post#2098 » by Djedefre » Sun Nov 1, 2020 10:45 pm

I for one do not have any concerns regarding Terry. I've seen him enough to be convinced he's a smart, witty, high character guy that possesses almost all the tools needed and highly sought after in today's NBA. He made every kind of strides this past year, from physical to basketball ones. I'd be more than thrilled if he ends up in the desert or should i say 'valley'
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Post#2099 » by Ghost of Kleine » Sun Nov 1, 2020 11:59 pm

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With the ball, his ability to manipulate defenders is apparent and his IQ is also shown both offensively and defensively. However, at 160Dominic Samangy (@DSamangy) Tweeted:
Next, @tyterry05 of @StanfordMBB is a PG prospect with one of the highest ceilings in the draft. The combination of an already advanced offensive skill set for a 19 y/o and elite shooting is what makes Terry standout.

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Post#2100 » by Ghost of Kleine » Mon Nov 2, 2020 12:16 am

Also with respect to Banes' potential impact!
Dominic Samangy (@DSamangy) Tweeted:
One of my favorite prospects, @DBane0625 of @TCUBasketball is an NBA-ready draft pick who shot lights out from 3 last season (44.2%). A physical nightmare as a 2 guard, Bane is also an underrated passer off the dribble. He’ll be a day 1 contributor.

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