The One And Only Offseason Thread 5: Dinnertime!

[bwgood77]

I think Rich Paul has made his way to the RealGM general board. viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1338429&start=145

Agreed, just responded with that on the thread.

I almost did in my last response, but edited it out.

[spanishninja]

I think Rich Paul has made his way to the RealGM general board. viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1338429&start=145

Agreed, just responded with that on the thread.

that topic is a train-wreck right now.

[lilfishi22]

lol Rich Paul is strong in that one

[noelphx]

God that guy couldn't swallow any more of Bledsoe's junk so it has to be Rich Paul.

[NapoleonII]

More likely a loser-friend of Rich Paul.

[Zelaznyrules]

That guy is certainly pushing an agenda. I doubt it's Paul or even a friend, likely a paid employee. As a Bledsoe fan, I'm disappointed that this guy is the best Paul can give us. There are some very good reasons to re-sign Eric but turning it into a Bledsoe vs Dragic argument seems lame to me.

[toucansma]

That thread is crazy. Its like the pro Bledsoe PR machine and the evil Suns are messing him over. I still don't see how people can think 4/48 is not a good contract for Bledsoe based on his production and injury history.

[SunsFanSSOL]

What does Rich Paul stand to gain by hyping Bledsoe up on a message board? Lol, you guys think everything pro-Bledsoe is somehow attached to Rich Paul. It's not like convincing some strangers on the internet is going to get a team to give Bledsoe the max.

[toucansma]

What does Rich Paul stand to gain by hyping Bledsoe up on a message board? Lol, you guys think everything pro-Bledsoe is somehow attached to Rich Paul. It's not like convincing some strangers on the internet is going to get a team to give Bledsoe the max.

I think its someone connected to Bledsoe/Paul (not them specifically). I see what you mean that it won't get him a max contract, but PR is just a component of the overall equation. You do whatever you can to win the PR battle (you use every tool at your disposal). Ask people that have been involved in politics, that's what you have to do. The internet can be a powerful tool. You hope that people spread certain messages to other messages boards, postings on other news sites, send emails, etc. It may not sound like much, but again it all part of the equation. It's not hyping Bledsoe, its about making the Suns look bad. Either way the internet requires little effort and little cost to spread a message so if even if the projected outcome is small, you have not invested in serious time and/or money.

[Zelaznyrules]

What does Rich Paul stand to gain by hyping Bledsoe up on a message board? Lol, you guys think everything pro-Bledsoe is somehow attached to Rich Paul. It's not like convincing some strangers on the internet is going to get a team to give Bledsoe the max.

You don't think public opinion shapes events? I don't believe the world revolves around message boards and fan forums but image is too important to sit idly by while it deteriorates. If I were Paul, I'd definitely be trying to improve the public perception of my client and having someone work the sports talk circuit and the internet is a fairly inexpensive way to do it.

[SunsFanSSOL]

What does Rich Paul stand to gain by hyping Bledsoe up on a message board? Lol, you guys think everything pro-Bledsoe is somehow attached to Rich Paul. It's not like convincing some strangers on the internet is going to get a team to give Bledsoe the max.

I think its someone connected to Bledsoe/Paul (not them specifically). I see what you mean that it won't get him a max contract, but PR is just a component of the overall equation. You do whatever you can to win the PR battle (you use every tool at your disposal). Ask people that have been involved in politics, that's what you have to do. The internet can be a powerful tool. You hope that people spread certain messages to other messages boards, postings on other news sites, send emails, etc. It may not sound like much, but again it all part of the equation. It's not hyping Bledsoe, its about making the Suns look bad. Either way the internet requires little effort and little cost to spread a message so if even if the projected outcome is small, you have not invested in serious time and/or money.

The difference with politics is that the people have the power to vote. Using the internet to influence people's opinions is useful as they are the ones who are going to make the decision of who to elect. A vote isn't going to be held which determines whether or not Bledsoe gets the max. The only people who can decide that are NBA front offices, and fans point of views don't hold any influence whatsoever over their decisions. It is possible that someone is just a fan of Bledsoe and for some reason feels the need to defend him due to the criticism he has received on message boards for wanting the max.

You don't think public opinion shapes events? I don't believe the world revolves around message boards and fan forums but image is too important to sit idly by while it deteriorates. If I were Paul, I'd definitely be trying to improve the public perception of my client and having someone work the sports talk circuit and the internet is a fairly inexpensive way to do it.

This ordeal barely affects Bledsoe's image, if at all. And if Rich Paul was concerned with Bledsoe's image, (he's not) there are more effective ways to improve it instead of going to a message board and debating with strangers about why he deserves a maximum contract. Once Bledsoe signs a contract with the Suns (or another team for that matter) this whole thing will be forgotten. Suns fans as a whole aren't a very vocal group, not as vocal or populous as Lakers fans or Knicks fans for example. The only people Bledsoe seems to hold the ire of would probably be some Suns fans or a small group of die-hard NBA fans, a group far to minuscule to be seriously concerned with. Bledsoe himself hasn't even done anything outright to deserve criticism. All this max money talk has basically been "reported" by Chris Broussard, Bledsoe hasn't come out and said anything of value, unless you consider his statement to a sports reporter in Alabama as having value.

You guys need to chill out, Bledsoe and Paul don't have some agenda to try to discredit the Suns and hype up Bledsoe at any chance they get. Frankly, I think they probably don't give a damn and are just going to let this prolong and play out while laughing at ill-informed media members "report" speculative articles.

[toucansma]

What does Rich Paul stand to gain by hyping Bledsoe up on a message board? Lol, you guys think everything pro-Bledsoe is somehow attached to Rich Paul. It's not like convincing some strangers on the internet is going to get a team to give Bledsoe the max.

I think its someone connected to Bledsoe/Paul (not them specifically). I see what you mean that it won't get him a max contract, but PR is just a component of the overall equation. You do whatever you can to win the PR battle (you use every tool at your disposal). Ask people that have been involved in politics, that's what you have to do. The internet can be a powerful tool. You hope that people spread certain messages to other messages boards, postings on other news sites, send emails, etc. It may not sound like much, but again it all part of the equation. It's not hyping Bledsoe, its about making the Suns look bad. Either way the internet requires little effort and little cost to spread a message so if even if the projected outcome is small, you have not invested in serious time and/or money.

The difference with politics is that the people have the power to vote. Using the internet to influence people's opinions is useful as they are the ones who are going to make the decision of who to elect. A vote isn't going to be held which determines whether or not Bledsoe gets the max. The only people who can decide that are NBA front offices, and fans point of views don't hold any influence whatsoever over their decisions. It is possible that someone is just a fan of Bledsoe and for some reason feels the need to defend him due to the criticism he has received on message boards for wanting the max.

Not all politics. Many federal, state, county, governments have political appointments (picked by president, governor, commissioner, etc), where you to sway the people in charge to select A, B, C. It can often be based on some type of public opinion (including letters, town groups, 1-1 conversations, etc). Just got me thinking about why someone tries to sway someone and made me think about sway, politics and PR. I understand what you mean and by no means do I feel that RealGM is this all mecca powerful thing, but for the amount of time/effort needed to participate it couldn't hurt.

[bwgood77]

What does Rich Paul stand to gain by hyping Bledsoe up on a message board? Lol, you guys think everything pro-Bledsoe is somehow attached to Rich Paul. It's not like convincing some strangers on the internet is going to get a team to give Bledsoe the max.

I agree, but I'm not sure Rich Paul is very savvy or intelligent by any means. Also, it's not like this guy is a regular poster on the site. As Trader Joe pointed out in the thread, all but one of his posts ever are in that very thread. Also, I think many people connected to the media and teams read stuff here. Bill Simmons even linked once to a Bucks thread about Tobias Harris.

Also, I don't necessarily think it was Rich Paul or even anyone affiliated with Bledsoe, but it is a bit weird that all but one of his posts are suddenly on that thread saying "PAY THE MAN, HE IS THE TEAM'S BEST PLAYER". Doesn't it strike you as a little odd that someone with one post, has 20 or so posts in that thread saying Bledsoe is worth max money?

[Mattley]

Just thinking of some ideas of what we could do with bledsoe. Maybe a bledsoe S&T to the kings for cousins there would need to be more to this deal but im just thinking of things.

Another could be Bledsoe and green for Jrue Holdiay and Ryan anderson

Dont criticize im just throwing out ideas

[Zelaznyrules]

Just thinking of some ideas of what we could do with bledsoe. Maybe a bledsoe S&T to the kings for cousins there would need to be more to this deal but im just thinking of things.

Another could be Bledsoe and green for Jrue Holdiay and Ryan anderson

Dont criticize im just throwing out ideas

Bledsoe for Cousins is the first S & T suggestion I've seen suggested where we'd actually get the better player. But oh what a tremendous risk DeMarcus would be.

[aIvin adams]

What does Rich Paul stand to gain by hyping Bledsoe up on a message board? Lol, you guys think everything pro-Bledsoe is somehow attached to Rich Paul. It's not like convincing some strangers on the internet is going to get a team to give Bledsoe the max.

I agree, but I'm not sure Rich Paul is very savvy or intelligent by any means. Also, it's not like this guy is a regular poster on the site. As Trader Joe pointed out in the thread, all but one of his posts ever are in that very thread. Also, I think many people connected to the media and teams read stuff here. Bill Simmons even linked once to a Bucks thread about Tobias Harris.

Also, I don't necessarily think it was Rich Paul or even anyone affiliated with Bledsoe, but it is a bit weird that all but one of his posts are suddenly on that thread saying "PAY THE MAN, HE IS THE TEAM'S BEST PLAYER". Doesn't it strike you as a little odd that someone with one post, has 20 or so posts in that thread saying Bledsoe is worth max money?

You gotta start somewhere. I think the first time I joined realgm was 2006 bc some thread was started abt how nene > amare

19 of my first 20 posts were "nene sucks amare rules shut up"

[JTrain]

Dragic is closer to death's door than Bledsoe by a good margin.

[aIvin adams]

ps-

amare >>>>>>>>> nene

[JTrain]

"Maybe that's just posturing and negotiating," Sarver said of the reports. "We haven't heard from the guy in four months, so I couldn't tell you..."

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/n ... d743505bee

[DirtyDez]

Just thinking of some ideas of what we could do with bledsoe. Maybe a bledsoe S&T to the kings for cousins there would need to be more to this deal but im just thinking of things.

Another could be Bledsoe and green for Jrue Holdiay and Ryan anderson

Dont criticize im just throwing out ideas

Bledsoe for Cousins is the first S & T suggestion I've seen suggested where we'd actually get the better player. But oh what a tremendous risk DeMarcus would be.

Yeah tough call on that one, let me sleep on it..