2020 Season/Offseason (FA/Trade) Speculation - the Season Resumes

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What does he mean by "take advantage of the system"?

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What does he mean by "take advantage of the system"?

I am going to go out on a limb and say -- because so few teams have cap space this summer, like 6, they might be able to get players (Gallo) because they might be able to offer more than the MLE

Second, if they do the deals in the right order - - like the CP3 trade last -- they can work the cap to maximize salaries.

BAsically, if you look at what Ryan McD did in the summer of 2016 with 15m of cap space and expirings like Chandler, Dudley, I think Daniels (plus some draft capital after Ayton like 16, 31 and the Miami pick - yes, I know we got Mikal but still... well do the exact opposite. Sign one guy for 15m at a duplicative position as Dudley and don't do anything else!!!

[Slim Charless]

Green's career will be going down hill after he leaves the system.

Donkeymond Green finishing his career for the Cavs gives me the happys. Nothing is more fitting than him spending the rest of his time in NBA Siberia.

Four years left on his deal - about $100m

I can see the Knicks wanting him with Thibodeau maybe
Just not sure the market will be there for a guy who really was right for that system

But the report says a third team - so it won't be Cleveland.

Love to the Warriors
Randle and Gibson/Ellington to the Cavs - and maybe a pick from NYK
Green to the Knicks

Cavs get major cap relief

He might actually enjoy being in the city of NYC (not that playing for the Knicks would be nice). It'd be funnier watching him in CLV. Maybe he can take up a Browns game and hang out with Baker

[BobbieL]

Donkeymond Green finishing his career for the Cavs gives me the happys. Nothing is more fitting than him spending the rest of his time in NBA Siberia.

Four years left on his deal - about $100m

I can see the Knicks wanting him with Thibodeau maybe
Just not sure the market will be there for a guy who really was right for that system

But the report says a third team - so it won't be Cleveland.

Love to the Warriors
Randle and Gibson/Ellington to the Cavs - and maybe a pick from NYK
Green to the Knicks

Cavs get major cap relief

He might actually enjoy being in the city of NYC (not that playing for the Knicks would be nice). It'd be funnier watching him in CLV. Maybe he can take up a Browns game and hang out with Baker

I thought of the Hawks with the Schlenk connection - but they have John COllins already at the 4 and plenty of wings recently drafted. Huerter, Hunter. Plus they have a guy in Capela too.

Maybe Charlotte if they get Westbrook - though conflicting reports about whether they want a clean cap in 2021 or not. They have some contracts they can offload for cap space. plus can space to absorb Draymond easily

Cleveland: Batum
GSW: Love
Charlotte; Green

Can they trade Zeller and Rozier plus who knows - not sure if they can do the old Keith Van Horn sign and trade - sign him for one year - to get Westbrook

The thing with Charlotte - you might have the cap space but where wll you be on the list to get players
Can you imagine Draymond and Westbrook on the same team.

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"If you're going to spend everything on that new car" <-- That's a little scary... If Jones and Bower walk into a dealership and buy a decked-out Corvette do they not only pay sticker price but also take up the finance guy on all of his offers?

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What does he mean by "take advantage of the system"?

I mean if going all in on an overpriced 2008 low mileage Corvette, and thinking they are going to win a race against a 2020 Ferrari, go for it. Just don’t be surprised when the outcome doesn’t involve a win.

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"If you're going to spend everything on that new car" <-- That's a little scary... If Jones and Bower walk into a dealership and buy a decked-out Corvette do they not only pay sticker price but also take up the finance guy on all of his offers?

Yes, Presti, who got a ton of picks for George and a ton of picks swapping Westbrook for Paul, making a deal with 2nd year GM James Jones....you think he won't work us on this trade? We will likely give up a lot more than we have to. We should call his bluff if they want the 10.

It will be interesting to see how this team does if Paul is out with an injury for awhile like he typically is.

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What does he mean by "take advantage of the system"?

I mean if going all in on an overpriced 2008 low mileage Corvette, and thinking they are going to win a race against a 2020 Ferrari, go for it. Just don’t be surprised when the outcome doesn’t involve a win.

I don't disagree - but its not my money as long as they get one more piece (Gallo) - they might be pretty good

Denver, Clippers, GSW, both LA teams and Dallas seem like locks

Portland - suns could pass them
Memphis - suns could pass them
Utah - suns could pass them

I am open to it .... but yes, I have reservations too.

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If the Suns do end up with TT, maybe he and DB can convince the Kardashian's to buyout Sarver.

[Slim Charless]

Four years left on his deal - about $100m

I can see the Knicks wanting him with Thibodeau maybe
Just not sure the market will be there for a guy who really was right for that system

But the report says a third team - so it won't be Cleveland.

Love to the Warriors
Randle and Gibson/Ellington to the Cavs - and maybe a pick from NYK
Green to the Knicks

Cavs get major cap relief

He might actually enjoy being in the city of NYC (not that playing for the Knicks would be nice). It'd be funnier watching him in CLV. Maybe he can take up a Browns game and hang out with Baker

I thought of the Hawks with the Schlenk connection - but they have John COllins already at the 4 and plenty of wings recently drafted. Huerter, Hunter. Plus they have a guy in Capela too.

Maybe Charlotte if they get Westbrook - though conflicting reports about whether they want a clean cap in 2021 or not. They have some contracts they can offload for cap space. plus can space to absorb Draymond easily

Cleveland: Batum
GSW: Love
Charlotte; Green

Can they trade Zeller and Rozier plus who knows - not sure if they can do the old Keith Van Horn sign and trade - sign him for one year - to get Westbrook

The thing with Charlotte - you might have the cap space but where wll you be on the list to get players
Can you imagine Draymond and Westbrook on the same team.

Yeah. I can see Dray on the Hornets. They need a big and I think the Wiseman goes #2. Personally in that example; I'd love to see them still draft Lamelo. Then you could have him, Dray, Lavar, Scary Terry and MJ all together under 1 roof. Westbrook would be good too but the comedy of Dray and Lavar is too high for me.

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Read a couple of Hawk Fansites (This being one of them) talking about how they should be the ones going after Oubre. At first i found it interesting because of their inclusion of the #6 pick and reading about how he would actually be a really good fit in Atlanta, but they totally lost me when i later read that they think they can give up #6 and have the capspace to absorb Oubres contract without sending anyone back to net them Kelly.......and our #10.

They then say that the #6 would go to OKC for us to get CP3. Yeah NO.

But i do find Oubres fit in Atlanta really intriguing for both of them and the fact they can take him on without sending out salary is making me start to look at new 4 team trades with them included. Im getting ready to start rocking the trade machine to see who else in the East would value Rubio (Orlando is first up) and start plugging away with us/OKC/ATL.

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"If you're going to spend everything on that new car" <-- That's a little scary... If Jones and Bower walk into a dealership and buy a decked-out Corvette do they not only pay sticker price but also take up the finance guy on all of his offers?

Yes, Presti, who got a ton of picks for George and a ton of picks swapping Westbrook for Paul, making a deal with 2nd year GM James Jones....you think he won't work us on this trade? We will likely give up a lot more than we have to. We should call his bluff if they want the 10.

It will be interesting to see how this team does if Paul is out with an injury for awhile like he typically is.

I would be okay if at worst, Jones flipped the 10 for 25 as that does create more cap space. And if they take Jerome and flip the 10 for 25 - that is like 4m or close. But there is no way, they should just give the 10. Waive Okobo, trade Jerome (though I kind of want to see what he does a second year) - but don't just hand it over. Say No and call the bluff

[BobbieL]

Read a couple of Hawk Fansites (This being one of them) talking about how they should be the ones going after Oubre. At first i found it interesting because of their inclusion of the #6 pick and reading about how he would actually be a really good fit in Atlanta, but they totally lost me when i later read that they think they can give up #6 and have the capspace to absorb Oubres contract without sending anyone back to net them Kelly.......and our #10.

They then say that the #6 would go to OKC for us to get CP3. Yeah NO.

But i do find Oubres fit in Atlanta really intriguing for both of them and the fact they can take him on without sending out salary is making me start to look at new 4 team trades with them included. Im getting ready to start rocking the trade machine to see who else in the East would value Rubio (Orlando is first up) and start plugging away with us/OKC/ATL.

Keep Rubio to the Clippers - he deserves them and I would like to see what they do with him at PG

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What does he mean by "take advantage of the system"?

I would think its going for a player that has some pull to convince free agents to sign there once he gets traded, the system of backdoor deals between players where it would be tampering for organizations to do so prior to the free agency period.

[Kerrsed]

What does he mean by "take advantage of the system"?

I would think its going for a player that has some pull to convince free agents to sign there once he gets traded, the system of backdoor deals between players where it would be tampering for organizations to do so prior to the free agency period.

BINGO!

Its working the system within the system. Suns FO knows that CP3 has a lot of pull with players and will have him use that to our advantage.

[BobbieL]

What does he mean by "take advantage of the system"?

I would think its going for a player that has some pull to convince free agents to sign there once he gets traded, the system of backdoor deals between players where it would be tampering for organizations to do so prior to the free agency period.

BINGO!

Its working the system within the system. Suns FO knows that CP3 has a lot of pull with players and will have him use that to our advantage.

Does he have any two guard friends that can shoot? Belinelli, Courtney Lee ...

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"If you're going to spend everything on that new car" <-- That's a little scary... If Jones and Bower walk into a dealership and buy a decked-out Corvette do they not only pay sticker price but also take up the finance guy on all of his offers?

Yes, Presti, who got a ton of picks for George and a ton of picks swapping Westbrook for Paul, making a deal with 2nd year GM James Jones....you think he won't work us on this trade? We will likely give up a lot more than we have to. We should call his bluff if they want the 10.

It will be interesting to see how this team does if Paul is out with an injury for awhile like he typically is.

Presti is good identifying talent, but he is not very good making deals. He has lost a good amount of trades...just Harden for that terrible package that he got was a terrible deal since the first minute. And many more.

I like our chances in this one.

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I would think its going for a player that has some pull to convince free agents to sign there once he gets traded, the system of backdoor deals between players where it would be tampering for organizations to do so prior to the free agency period.

BINGO!

Its working the system within the system. Suns FO knows that CP3 has a lot of pull with players and will have him use that to our advantage.

Does he have any two guard friends that can shoot? Belinelli, Courtney Lee ...

He has the entire player association lol

[BobbieL]

BINGO!

Its working the system within the system. Suns FO knows that CP3 has a lot of pull with players and will have him use that to our advantage.

Does he have any two guard friends that can shoot? Belinelli, Courtney Lee ...

He has the entire player association lol

If he gets Gallo - there will be players coming to Phoenix on the vet minimum

[Kerrsed]

Ok, after doing some research, here are the teams in the East that i have found different articles/discussions about improving their team by trying to get Rubio from us in the CP3 sweepstakes:

• Orlando
• Chicago
• New York
• Milwaukee
• Boston
• Detroit

Magic and Bulls really dont have a solid PG at all. Rubio would come in and be an immediate upgrade. Both teams similar to the Suns last season (Out of playoff picture but have some nice young talent). They hope Rubio can help improve their players play on the court like he did here in Phoenix. Knicks are a little more far back than those teams talent wise, but with them hiring Tom Thibodeau and trying to change the culture and make it a more defense orientated team, a coaches point guard like Rubio might be exactly what they need. Now with that being said, im sure the FO has eyes for a bigger name like Westbrook even though Rubio might be the better choice for the team in the long run. Bucks and Celtics are two high contenders in the East that have solid PG's, but the fanbases seem to think that they would be better under a Rubio lead team. Bledsoe is rather close to Rubio play wise, so its almost a wash there, while Rubio would probably help facilitate the younger Celtics a lot better than shoot first Kemba. Lastly we have the Pistons. They are already saddled with Griffin and most likely wont be able to dump him. They really have no PG of the future on the team and Rose, while preforming well last season, is being ran into the ground. Bring in Rubio and help facilitate Griffin like CP3 did at Blakes peak in the Lob City days.

Now the questions become what do those teams have to offer for a Rubio upgrade and what is worth taking.