Summer League Fun

Chuck Everett · Post #421 » by **Chuck Everett** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:30 pm

JMac1 wrote:Hornacek's daughter is a looker!!

Yeah she is. Currently attending SC.

Revived · Post #422 » by **Revived** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:34 pm

Chuck Everett wrote:
JMac1 wrote:Hornacek's daughter is a looker!!

Yeah she is. Currently attending SC.

While the Spurs probably used Becky Hammond to lure LMA to San Antonio, we should have tried our luck with Abby Hornacek.

http://dailycaller.com/2015/02/08/abby-hornacek-is-definitely-the-hottest-thing-in-phoenix/

Saberestar · Post #423 » by **Saberestar** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:38 pm

GetYourPHX wrote:Warren has serious issues when he has to defend bigger guys.

He needs to hit the weight room.

Yes, I have noticed that too. He is better defendig perimeter guys, is quick enough to defend even SGs.
The problem here is that our bigs, except for Len, are really REALLY bad, and they needed to play Warren at PF a ton of minutes.
Not his position, so not a big problem...but obviously if gains some extra strength it would be better.

Post #424 » by **lilfishi22** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:38 pm

tdjm wrote:As for Booker, he gets a solid C for average so far. He looks pretty much exactly like his scouting report. He was bad from NBA 3 in college (some of the guys coming out are decent from the NBA 3, he was not) so it's absolutely not a surprise to see him missing short especially against NBA caliber closeouts. Not expressly worried about his stroke developing, overall his IQ on offense and movement are pretty good. He's also much, much more willing to go after rebounds than I expected based on watching him in college, which is really nice.

On defense, just as poor as to be expected. Best he can do is sort of but not really stay in front of guys, he has almost no way with his mediocre athleticism/length to actually be a playmaker. He'll be yet another example in a very long line of counterexamples as to why combine agility testing 100% does not matter in evaluating prospects. The good news is he can at least develop into "not a total liability" which should make him an acceptable role player but he still has a mountain to climb to get to that point.

How are the Klay Thompson comparisons holding up?

thamadkant · Post #425 » by **thamadkant** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:52 pm

Abby Hornacek got all her looks from her mom, doesmt have any Jeff Hornacek features, which is a good thing... not that Jeff is a bad looking guy, he is actually decent. But Abby is spectacular... wouldnt guess she was related to Jeff.

thamadkant · Post #426 » by **thamadkant** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:56 pm

Blackification wrote:
Jdiddy701 wrote:Painful game to watch. Has Archie always been a ball hog?

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Both Archie and Warren are reluctant to pass, problem for archie is that warren is just way more efficient and better at doing what he does. They don't fit well together though

Based on what? Summer league?

in an NBA regulation game, I actually find Warren, Goodwin and Ennis played well together.
They look for each other a lot.

Also in Game 1 of the summer league Goodwin to Warren was a common play.

1 GAME where both tried to light it up individually doesnt mean they dont mesh well.

thamadkant · Post #427 » by **thamadkant** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 11:58 pm

I like McConnell...

A play making PG, sadly he doesnt suit the Suns current plan to have attacking PGs.
But as a 12th guy, I wouldnt mind him. Give him some garbage minutes, or atleast in practice have him setup others.

The guy is how tall though? 5'10?

thamadkant · Post #428 » by **thamadkant** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:00 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
tdjm wrote:As for Booker, he gets a solid C for average so far. He looks pretty much exactly like his scouting report. He was bad from NBA 3 in college (some of the guys coming out are decent from the NBA 3, he was not) so it's absolutely not a surprise to see him missing short especially against NBA caliber closeouts. Not expressly worried about his stroke developing, overall his IQ on offense and movement are pretty good. He's also much, much more willing to go after rebounds than I expected based on watching him in college, which is really nice.

On defense, just as poor as to be expected. Best he can do is sort of but not really stay in front of guys, he has almost no way with his mediocre athleticism/length to actually be a playmaker. He'll be yet another example in a very long line of counterexamples as to why combine agility testing 100% does not matter in evaluating prospects. The good news is he can at least develop into "not a total liability" which should make him an acceptable role player but he still has a mountain to climb to get to that point.

How are the Klay Thompson comparisons holding up?

Im surprise Thompson is mentioned. Thompson is long, big SG who is wiry but really strong.
Crafty too.

Booker is jittery and has a wet jump shot, but he will need to be setup for his open lools.

Post #429 » by **bwgood77** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:12 am

settindice wrote:
Calamity_Cometh wrote:Can't even beat Houston in summer.

What a great contribution to this thread. Are all your 90 posts as golden as this one? The smiley is just the icing on top.

Good to see you laughing at our loss and getting in your snide little comment. P.S. The last time we played Houston before this we beat them.

Dude, you don't understand how much Houston values summer league wins. This is a big win for Calamity. :wink:

Post #430 » by **lilfishi22** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:18 am

1UPZ wrote:I like McConnell...

A play making PG, sadly he doesnt suit the Suns current plan to have attacking PGs.
But as a 12th guy, I wouldnt mind him. Give him some garbage minutes, or atleast in practice have him setup others.

The guy is how tall though? 5'10?

I like what I saw from McConnell. Real good passer, plays fairly in control and has a money set shot from the 3. His size is a worry though, I think he's generously listed at 6'0.

ImNotMcDiSwear · Post #431 » by **ImNotMcDiSwear** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:20 am

Happy to see that Portis played like ass today. 1-10, 0-3 from 3, 3 TOs. Maybe that's what our scouts saw.

kennydorglas · Post #432 » by **kennydorglas** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 12:30 am

1UPZ wrote:Abby Hornacek got all her looks from her mom, doesmt have any Jeff Hornacek features, which is a good thing... not that Jeff is a bad looking guy, he is actually decent. But Abby is spectacular... wouldnt guess she was related to Jeff.

Yeah, Hornacek's wife is pretty

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RunDogGun · Post #433 » by **RunDogGun** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:22 am

saintEscaton wrote:
RunDogGun wrote:
GetYourPHX wrote:Warren has serious issues when he has to defend bigger guys.

He needs to hit the weight room.

It was pretty bad in this game, but then again, the aggressiveness was a bit one sided in this game, so it's tough to gauge, whether he couldn't stay with them, or just didn't want to pick up a foul. Maybe another game with similar match ups with more even calling, would help an assessment.

Lol of course you would complain about unfair officiating in an inconsequential Summer League game

I didn't complain, just pointing it out. The commentators talked about the freethrow differential.

As for your Price judgement..meh, he has proven he can run an offense, and in a half court set, and it was when Nash was out. He had a good pick and roll with Gortat. But we did have Gentry, and instead of giving Price the back up point role, he earned, Gentry decided to reward Price with a starting two spot. It was a dumb move, all to keep Telfail as the back up point. Oh well, fun stroll down memory lane, that seemed to have only one of us remembering what Price did, and can do. Overall, Price is a pro, who is not going to b*tch about getting limited minutes, and he is not going to be stupid enough to question his role on the team. As for having Ennis, that's a moot point, because he isn't a choice.

So last year on the dysfunctional Lakers, is what you base that he can't run a half court set, and relies heavily on ISO plays? I might need more facts before I take your opinion. But I'm pretty sure Hornacek will be happy to have Ronnie down the bench if needed.

SideSwipe · Post #434 » by **SideSwipe** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:43 am

More hate for Archie. We get it guys, he is not perfect. He hit 60% of his shots and finished with 20 points on 10 attempts. That is extremely efficient. His shot percentage was as good as Warrens (who is clearly the better player) and overall efficiency scoring was significantly better. People who have superstar expectations for him, should check those expectations and appreciate the performance he is putting on. my $0.02.

thamadkant · Post #435 » by **thamadkant** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:46 am

kennydorglas wrote:
1UPZ wrote:Abby Hornacek got all her looks from her mom, doesmt have any Jeff Hornacek features, which is a good thing... not that Jeff is a bad looking guy, he is actually decent. But Abby is spectacular... wouldnt guess she was related to Jeff.

Yeah, Hornacek's wife is pretty

[instagram]https://instagram.com/p/3pDj6HrD__/[/instagram]

PRetty?, thats an understatement.. she looks like Leslie Mann...

thamadkant · Post #436 » by **thamadkant** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 1:49 am

SideSwipe wrote:More hate for Archie. We get it guys, he is not perfect. He hit 60% of his shots and finished with 20 points on 10 attempts. That is extremely efficient. His shot percentage was as good as Warrens (who is clearly the better player) and overall efficiency scoring was significantly better. People who have superstar expectations for him, should check those expectations and appreciate the performance he is putting on. my $0.02.

Exactly.
For Archie... 20 years old (21 soon), putting up numbers with limited college experience shows his talent and abilities.

Just picturing him mature as a 23-24 year old defensive, slashing PG/SG with a decent open-look shot is too alluring for me to give him up. Besides he cost 1 million dollars to keep... could be cheap to resign and develop him some more until he is mature enough.

Jdiddy701 · Post #437 » by **Jdiddy701** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:09 am

SideSwipe wrote:More hate for Archie. We get it guys, he is not perfect. He hit 60% of his shots and finished with 20 points on 10 attempts. That is extremely efficient. His shot percentage was as good as Warrens (who is clearly the better player) and overall efficiency scoring was significantly better. People who have superstar expectations for him, should check those expectations and appreciate the performance he is putting on. my $0.02.

If you watched the game you would understand. OUT OF CONTROL.

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Mr Puddles · Post #438 » by **Mr Puddles** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:15 am

1UPZ wrote:
SideSwipe wrote:More hate for Archie. We get it guys, he is not perfect. He hit 60% of his shots and finished with 20 points on 10 attempts. That is extremely efficient. His shot percentage was as good as Warrens (who is clearly the better player) and overall efficiency scoring was significantly better. People who have superstar expectations for him, should check those expectations and appreciate the performance he is putting on. my $0.02.

Exactly.
For Archie... 20 years old (21 soon), putting up numbers with limited college experience shows his talent and abilities.

Just picturing him mature as a 23-24 year old defensive, slashing PG/SG with a decent open-look shot is too alluring for me to give him up. Besides he cost 1 million dollars to keep... could be cheap to resign and develop him some more until he is mature enough.

People seem to forget that Archie was the 29th pick. If we had just drafted a 20 year old guy at number 29, and he was playing as well as Archie everyone on this board would be ecstatic.

Over the past 10 year, the 29th picks have been: Josh Huestis (2014), Archie Goodwin, Marquis Teague, Cory Joseph, Daniel Orton, Toney Douglas, D.J. White, Alando Tucker, Mardy Collins & Wayne Simien (2005). In other words, at best, these guys have become deep bench players. If Archie can become a solid rotation player for us (15-20 minutes a game) - which I believe he can - we should all be very happy.

Post #439 » by **batsmasher** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:18 am

Archie was good today. Looked comfortable shooting. Was a bit loose for a few possessions but good overall.

McNeal awful. Harangody crap. Harrellson crap. Booker crap. Brown crap. James OK. McConnell OK. Harper decent. TJ nice.

TJ also showed a little emotion against Montrezl which I found good.

bigfoot · Post #440 » by **bigfoot** » Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:23 am

Mr Puddles wrote:
1UPZ wrote:
SideSwipe wrote:More hate for Archie. We get it guys, he is not perfect. He hit 60% of his shots and finished with 20 points on 10 attempts. That is extremely efficient. His shot percentage was as good as Warrens (who is clearly the better player) and overall efficiency scoring was significantly better. People who have superstar expectations for him, should check those expectations and appreciate the performance he is putting on. my $0.02.

Exactly.
For Archie... 20 years old (21 soon), putting up numbers with limited college experience shows his talent and abilities.

Just picturing him mature as a 23-24 year old defensive, slashing PG/SG with a decent open-look shot is too alluring for me to give him up. Besides he cost 1 million dollars to keep... could be cheap to resign and develop him some more until he is mature enough.

People seem to forget that Archie was the 29th pick. If we had just drafted a 20 year old guy at number 29, and he was playing as well as Archie everyone on this board would be ecstatic.

Over the past 10 year, the 29th picks have been: Josh Huestis (2014), Archie Goodwin, Marquis Teague, Cory Joseph, Daniel Orton, Toney Douglas, D.J. White, Alando Tucker, Mardy Collins & Wayne Simien (2005). In other words, at best, these guys have become deep bench players. If Archie can become a solid rotation player for us (15-20 minutes a game) - which I believe he can - we should all be very happy.

Archie good at drinving to the bucket and drawing fouls. His shot looks to be much improved. He won't get playing time until he commits to playing hard-nosed defense.

Of the Summer league guys, who would you most like to see make our team?