2014 Official FA Thread 3: The Hunt For LeBron Continues...

[Sunsdeuce]

I am positive Lebron is going to the Knicks
-Stephen a smith

Stephen rAcist smith = Broussard 2.0.




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[TheBledShow]

I am positive Lebron is going to the Knicks
-Stephen a smith

Stephen rAcist smith = Broussard 2.0.

LOL stephen A = east coast bias he said that the suns beat the pacers in the 1st meeting cause the pacers "were tired".

[SSOL]

Did smith really say this? He broke lebron to the heat days before last time.

[TheBledShow]

Did smith really say this? He broke lebron to the heat days before last time.

Its a joke its just about how bias he is..... He did say the Pacers lost the first meeting vs suns cuz they were tired

[Sunsdeuce]

I am positive Lebron is going to the Knicks
-Stephen a smith

Stephen rAcist smith = Broussard 2.0.

LOL stephen A = east coast bias he said that the suns beat the pacers in the 1st meeting cause the pacers "were tired".

I absolutely love hearing him talk NFL. It's so hilarious, he is completely clueless about any sport but basketball. More specifically, he only knows about a hand full of teams (the popular teams). He couldn't name 5 players on the wolves.


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[bwgood77]

Heads-up guys, this race will become a lot bigger if LBJ tells Riley he definitely won't re-up with Miami. At that point Riley will be free to negotiate with every team in the league on S&T options, because there is not a team in the league that wouldn't love to have LBJ, and so long as it doesn't destroy the teams talent base Lebron is likely to oblige. LBJ will have control of what MIA gets back too, because he can just sign with one of the other teams, if MIA doesn't take it. PHX will still be compelling because we don't have to lose pieces, but here are some scary thoughts:

to OKC for Ibaka, Perkins (exp.), Lamb Creates a Westbrook, Jackson, Durant, LBJ, Adams lineup
to GSW for Bogut, Iggy and a pick Creates an opportunity to join LBJ with Love and Curry
to BKN for Lopez and Garnett . Makes Williams, Thornton, Johnson, LBJ, Plumlee
or even to WAS for Nene, Porter, Miller creating a Wall, Beal, Webster, LBJ, Gortat lineup

There are others out there. My point is, just because he decides to leave MIA doesn't mean Riley won't fight for him through S&T options to make sure he doesn't get left empty handed after 4 good years together. I am still hoping Bledsoe and a Robin to his Batman will be enough to lure him out. Interestingly enough Hornacek was not on the recruiting trip. It's possible Sarver and co will leave that option open. I hope not, since I really like Hornacek so far, but the option may be out there.

That's a good point I hadn't considered. But you'd think teams that wanted him in a S&T would have reached out, knowing this could potentially happen or play out this way.

[Dalerax]

Even if that Josh guy isn't in the know, a lot of what he's saying makes too much sense. Cleveland is a young team with talent. LBJ does have tons of home connections there. The whole "not playing for a bunch of teams in his career" thing could be a factor too. Even if he isn't sure, he makes many good points. Food for thought, if nothing else.

[technoviking]

Heads-up guys, this race will become a lot bigger if LBJ tells Riley he definitely won't re-up with Miami. At that point Riley will be free to negotiate with every team in the league on S&T options, because there is not a team in the league that wouldn't love to have LBJ, and so long as it doesn't destroy the teams talent base Lebron is likely to oblige. LBJ will have control of what MIA gets back too, because he can just sign with one of the other teams, if MIA doesn't take it. PHX will still be compelling because we don't have to lose pieces, but here are some scary thoughts:

to OKC for Ibaka, Perkins (exp.), Lamb Creates a Westbrook, Jackson, Durant, LBJ, Adams lineup
to GSW for Bogut, Iggy and a pick Creates an opportunity to join LBJ with Love and Curry
to BKN for Lopez and Garnett . Makes Williams, Thornton, Johnson, LBJ, Plumlee
or even to WAS for Nene, Porter, Miller creating a Wall, Beal, Webster, LBJ, Gortat lineup

There are others out there. My point is, just because he decides to leave MIA doesn't mean Riley won't fight for him through S&T options to make sure he doesn't get left empty handed after 4 good years together. I am still hoping Bledsoe and a Robin to his Batman will be enough to lure him out. Interestingly enough Hornacek was not on the recruiting trip. It's possible Sarver and co will leave that option open. I hope not, since I really like Hornacek so far, but the option may be out there.

Not one of those trades makes any sense.

[Jdiddy701]

I think he was just trying to convince himself he was going to Cleveland and he kept going to the point where he started to believe his own self.

[RaisingArizona]

Even if that Josh guy isn't in the know, a lot of what he's saying makes too much sense. Cleveland is a young team with talent. LBJ does have tons of home connections there. The whole "not playing for a bunch of teams in his career" thing could be a factor too. Even if he isn't sure, he makes many good points. Food for thought, if nothing else.

Not really. If you had all the money in the world, would you work for someone who tarnished your name publicly after you left employment? I sure as **** wouldn't. Also, Cleveland really isn't in any position to contend. Irving is nice but who else? You can't say Wiggins because for all we know, Warren could be just as good as he is. They haven't shown anything yet in the NBA.

[RaisingArizona]

I think he was just trying to convince himself he was going to Cleveland and he kept going to the point where he started to believe his own self.

He's a narcissist. Let's move on to real life.

[Sunsdeuce]

Heads-up guys, this race will become a lot bigger if LBJ tells Riley he definitely won't re-up with Miami. At that point Riley will be free to negotiate with every team in the league on S&T options, because there is not a team in the league that wouldn't love to have LBJ, and so long as it doesn't destroy the teams talent base Lebron is likely to oblige. LBJ will have control of what MIA gets back too, because he can just sign with one of the other teams, if MIA doesn't take it. PHX will still be compelling because we don't have to lose pieces, but here are some scary thoughts:

to OKC for Ibaka, Perkins (exp.), Lamb Creates a Westbrook, Jackson, Durant, LBJ, Adams lineup
to GSW for Bogut, Iggy and a pick Creates an opportunity to join LBJ with Love and Curry
to BKN for Lopez and Garnett . Makes Williams, Thornton, Johnson, LBJ, Plumlee
or even to WAS for Nene, Porter, Miller creating a Wall, Beal, Webster, LBJ, Gortat lineup

There are others out there. My point is, just because he decides to leave MIA doesn't mean Riley won't fight for him through S&T options to make sure he doesn't get left empty handed after 4 good years together. I am still hoping Bledsoe and a Robin to his Batman will be enough to lure him out. Interestingly enough Hornacek was not on the recruiting trip. It's possible Sarver and co will leave that option open. I hope not, since I really like Hornacek so far, but the option may be out there.

Not one of those trades makes any sense.

Usually teams do sign and trades with the teams that need cap space to get a player locked up. There is no reason for the suns to have to do a sign and trade. What I am saying usually the acquiring team usually initiates the trade, not the losing team. Or out of courtesy...ie amare trade. With lebron, there would be no sign and trade.

Chicago wanted to do a sign and trade with New York to free up cap space. They wanted to do a sign and trade with boozer. New York said no.


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[NaturalBuns]

I dont know how legit this guy is, but i suggest going back to early yesterday and reading from there to now.

https://twitter.com/Josh_Tep

He's not legit,
He deleted tweets saying
"Maybe lebron will come to Cleveland if he sees it's trending"
Gets a tweet from another guy
"Let's get it trending"



He deletes the tweets

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Wiggins probably won't be as effective this year as Warren will be. That starting line-up would be Kyrie/Waiters/King/Thompson/Varejao, Jack/Wiggins/Karasev/Bennett/Zeller off the bench.

That team lacks shooting and defense, half of them hate each other, and there's a ton of injury history there. That said, they'd probably win as many or more games in the east as we would in the west if we added JUST LeBron.

Two key points: (1) How much does LeBron like the fairytale-Cleveland storyline? He's only 30, and could play til 40. He's got time for a homecoming later if he wants one, or for a swan song outside Cleveland if he prefers. (2) How much does he want to bring a buddy? We offer a better chance at that I think. Cleveland would have a harder time making a Love trade than we would, I think, because of the salaries, but I haven't looked that closely.

I'll be on pins and needles all next week.

[wheezy]

Even if that Josh guy isn't in the know, a lot of what he's saying makes too much sense. Cleveland is a young team with talent. LBJ does have tons of home connections there. The whole "not playing for a bunch of teams in his career" thing could be a factor too. Even if he isn't sure, he makes many good points. Food for thought, if nothing else.

Not really. If you had all the money in the world, would you work for someone who tarnished your name publicly after you left employment? I sure as **** wouldn't. Also, Cleveland really isn't in any position to contend. Irving is nice but who else? You can't say Wiggins because for all we know, Warren could be just as good as he is. They haven't shown anything yet in the NBA.

Dan Gilbert alone makes me doubt that LBJ would ever sign in Cleveland again. Not to mention all of the turmoil and infighting in the Cavs locker room last season. Remember when Deng was traded there he couldn't wait until the season was over to get out.

LRMR is based in Cleveland specifically because LeBron used to be there, not because he's going back.

[TheBledShow]

No rumors of a Bledsoe deal in the works?

[SideSwipe]

[quote="Sunsdeuce"][quote="technoviking"][quote="SideSwipe"]Heads-up guys, this race will become a lot bigger if LBJ tells Riley he definitely won't re-up with Miami. At that point Riley will be free to negotiate with every team in the league on S&T options, because there is not a team in the league that wouldn't love to have LBJ, and so long as it doesn't destroy the teams talent base Lebron is likely to oblige. LBJ will have control of what MIA gets back too, because he can just sign with one of the other teams, if MIA doesn't take it. PHX will still be compelling because we don't have to lose pieces, but here are some scary thoughts:

to OKC for Ibaka, Perkins (exp.), Lamb Creates a Westbrook, Jackson, Durant, LBJ, Adams lineup
to GSW for Bogut, Iggy and a pick Creates an opportunity to join LBJ with Love and Curry
to BKN for Lopez and Garnett . Makes Williams, Thornton, Johnson, LBJ, Plumlee
or even to WAS for Nene, Porter, Miller creating a Wall, Beal, Webster, LBJ, Gortat lineup

There are others out there. My point is, just because he decides to leave MIA doesn't mean Riley won't fight for him through S&T options to make sure he doesn't get left empty handed after 4 good years together. I am still hoping Bledsoe and a Robin to his Batman will be enough to lure him out. Interestingly enough Hornacek was not on the recruiting trip. It's possible Sarver and co will leave that option open. I hope not, since I really like Hornacek so far, but the option may be out there.[/quote]

Not one of those trades makes any sense.[/quote]
Usually teams do sign and trades with the teams that need cap space to get a player locked up. There is no reason for the suns to have to do a sign and trade. What I am saying usually the acquiring team usually initiates the trade, not the losing team. Or out of courtesy...ie amare trade. With lebron, there would be no sign and trade.

Chicago wanted to do a sign and trade with New York to free up cap space. They wanted to do a sign and trade with boozer. New York said no.


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If LBJ leaves, MIA will have two options- up the offer to Bosh, keep Wade, and use an S&T of LBJ to get more fill-in pieces. The offense then re-orients around Wade and Bosh and the new pieces. That team can still be competitive, especially in the East. Spo will do a good job of making it work. Riley is a very good GM, and will make something happen.

They key for S&T scenarios is always dependent on whether or not the receiving team thinks its worth it- in the case of LBJ, everybody wants him, so teams will compete for the privilege of getting him even via S&T and even if they have to give up more pieces to make it happen.

[Kerrsed]

Cleveland would have a harder time making a Love trade than we would, I think, because of the salaries, but I haven't looked that closely.

Not even close. Cleveland could offer up Wiggins/Varejao straight up for Love and The Wolves would take it in a heartbeat. If Cleveland wanted to keep Wiggins, they could offer the Wolves Waiters/Bennett/Varejao for Love and Minny would still take it.

[bwgood77]

Wiggins probably won't be as effective this year as Warren will be.

Wiggins will almost certainly be more effective. He will most likely be starting, if not right away, pretty soon. They will probably start him at 2 next to Irving and he will mostly probably be relied on for defense. Waiters is better for the 6th man role because he's a scorer. Warren will mostly likely not see much playing time unless we lose Green and Tucker and don't replace either.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

Cleveland would have a harder time making a Love trade than we would, I think, because of the salaries, but I haven't looked that closely.

Not even close. Cleveland could offer up Wiggins/Varejao straight up for Love and The Wolves would take it in a heartbeat. If Cleveland wanted to keep Wiggins, they could offer the Wolves Waiters/Bennett/Varejao for Love and Minny would still take it.

I agree with the first trade, not the second. The first creates some roster difficulties. I just don't think the Wolves would take a Waiters/Bennett haul. But you're right, I think I overstated my case.