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Game 11: Phoenix Suns (7-3) @ Washington Wizards (2-8) l Monday l 5:00pm l FSNAZ

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As a team what should Phoenix improve the most?

Less Turnovers
2
5%
More FT attempts
9
23%
Less ISO hero Booker
4
10%
More physicality
2
5%
Starter unit clicking better
16
40%
Pace (30th in league)
6
15%
Offensive Reb (27th in league)
1
3%
 
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Re: Game 11: Phoenix Suns (7-3) @ Washington Wizards (2-8) l Monday l 5:00pm l FSNAZ 

Post#61 » by Fo-Real » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:30 pm

alamin330 wrote:I think we should trade Booker and try to get beal or harden. Harden would definitely get the ball to Ayton.


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Post#62 » by Saberestar » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:30 pm

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WeekapaugGroove wrote:Bridges is their second best player so I have no issue with his shot attempts.

If you have an issue with how many 3s they take I'd pick another team (or sport) to root for or something because that ain't changing. It's not only how the NBA is played now but it's specifically how this team was built to play.

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Bruh. We lost a game for taking too many 3s. The team isn’t adapting to defense. It’s not a winning formula. Bridges is definitely not the 2nd best player on the team. Thing is this formula won’t work in the playoffs. What’s your explanation for Booker only getting 16 shots a game? That’s the same amount as malik Beasley for crying out loud. Serge ibaka is getting more shots than Ayton. Balance is life. Whenever there’s an imbalance in something it’s a recipe for disaster. This team is as unbalanced as I’ve seen in years. If suns want to seriously consider themselves as contenders they need to pick up the pace and have a more balanced attack.

How in the world this team is "as unbalanced as I've seen in years" when we have had Suns teams winning 19 or 21 games in a full season?

Personally I don't care about who is scoring more or less... I just want to win games and go to the playoffs and I am pretty sure that Booker and Ayton think the same.
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Post#63 » by Bogyo » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:33 pm

alamin330 wrote:I think we should trade Booker and try to get beal or harden. Harden would definitely get the ball to Ayton.


Made some valid points earlier - but this is just trolling. Please stop.
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Post#64 » by alamin330 » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:35 pm

If beal plays tonight and suns don’t change their game plan or get to the line I think they lose tonight
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Post#65 » by alamin330 » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:37 pm

Bogyo wrote:
alamin330 wrote:I think we should trade Booker and try to get beal or harden. Harden would definitely get the ball to Ayton.


Made some valid points earlier - but this is just trolling. Please stop.

How is this trolling. Are you saying Booker as our 1 option taking only 16 shots a game and barely getting to the line and not getting everyone involved and turning the ball over is better than beal and harden? I would trade Booker for beal and not think twice about it
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Post#66 » by alamin330 » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:38 pm

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alamin330 wrote:
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Bridges is their second best player so I have no issue with his shot attempts.

If you have an issue with how many 3s they take I'd pick another team (or sport) to root for or something because that ain't changing. It's not only how the NBA is played now but it's specifically how this team was built to play.

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Bruh. We lost a game for taking too many 3s. The team isn’t adapting to defense. It’s not a winning formula. Bridges is definitely not the 2nd best player on the team. Thing is this formula won’t work in the playoffs. What’s your explanation for Booker only getting 16 shots a game? That’s the same amount as malik Beasley for crying out loud. Serge ibaka is getting more shots than Ayton. Balance is life. Whenever there’s an imbalance in something it’s a recipe for disaster. This team is as unbalanced as I’ve seen in years. If suns want to seriously consider themselves as contenders they need to pick up the pace and have a more balanced attack.

How in the world this team is "as unbalanced as I've seen in years" when we have had Suns teams winning 19 or 21 games in a full season?

Personally I don't care about who is scoring more or less... I just want to win games and go to the playoffs and I am pretty sure that Booker and Ayton think the same.

Yea. But what I’m trying to say is they winning is going to stop if we keep playing this way
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Post#67 » by Blonde » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:42 pm

Ayton gets the ball plenty. Last year he led the league in paint touches per game and this year he’s right up there again. There’s only so much you can do for a guy who can’t consistently create his own offense. He doesn’t look to score. Obviously I want to see him scoring more, but most of the effort is going to need to come from him, not the rest of the team or even coaches. He can get his own within this offense, we’ve seen.
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Post#68 » by alamin330 » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:47 pm

Blonde wrote:Ayton gets the ball plenty. Last year he led the league in paint touches per game and this year he’s right up there again. There’s only so much you can do for a guy who can’t consistently create his own offense. He doesn’t look to score. Obviously I want to see him scoring more, but most of the effort is going to need to come from him, not the rest of the team or even coaches. He can get his own within this offense, we’ve seen.

I think this is a simplified response. Ayton gets the ball in crowded paint positions and has to pass. He does not get the ball in scoring position.
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Post#69 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:51 pm

alamin330 wrote:Suns need to get Ayton the ball and let him get more shots. Cp3, bridges and cam can’t be 2,3 and 4 in shot attempts. This team is on a crash course if they don’t fix this offense. How is your star player and 2nd best player taking less than 25 shots a game combined? Booker should be taking about 20 shots per game alone and ayton 15. Tok many 3s. This team is starting to look more and more like a regular season team than a playoff team.

The guy doesn't want it.

He's said he's not interested in offense and the eye test certainly backs that up. He passes it to an shooter every chance he gets it. He only tries to score when there's no options out there for him to defer t. He gets PLENTY of touches but he doesn't do anything with it.
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Post#70 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:52 pm

alamin330 wrote:
Blonde wrote:Ayton gets the ball plenty. Last year he led the league in paint touches per game and this year he’s right up there again. There’s only so much you can do for a guy who can’t consistently create his own offense. He doesn’t look to score. Obviously I want to see him scoring more, but most of the effort is going to need to come from him, not the rest of the team or even coaches. He can get his own within this offense, we’ve seen.

I think this is a simplified response. Ayton gets the ball in crowded paint positions and has to pass. He does not get the ball in scoring position.

What do you mean scoring position? Like wide open? Single coverage? Open midrange? He gets those touches too when we can generate them and he passes those off too
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Post#71 » by ATTL » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:52 pm

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alamin330 wrote:I blame Chris paul and Monty Williams.
Monty Williams being stubborn again and Chris paul doesn’t even look for Ayton. Ayton is wide open about 3 times a game and I mean not a soul next to him and they shoot a 3. It’s ridiculous. Bridges just can’t be taking more shots than Ayton. Cam Johnson definitely can’t be taking the same amount of shots as Ayton.


Hard to argue with 7-3


Ayton needs to be more aggressive but he's playing within the offense. Hes looking for the open man and doing the right thing moving the ball usually. His usage is very low last I checked and I think he needs to be more involved early in games so we aren't so reliant on the long ball when shooters inevitably come down.
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Post#72 » by alamin330 » Mon Jan 11, 2021 8:53 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:
alamin330 wrote:Suns need to get Ayton the ball and let him get more shots. Cp3, bridges and cam can’t be 2,3 and 4 in shot attempts. This team is on a crash course if they don’t fix this offense. How is your star player and 2nd best player taking less than 25 shots a game combined? Booker should be taking about 20 shots per game alone and ayton 15. Tok many 3s. This team is starting to look more and more like a regular season team than a playoff team.

The guy doesn't want it.

He's said he's not interested in offense and the eye test certainly backs that up. He passes it to an shooter every chance he gets it. He only tries to score when there's no options out there for him to defer t. He gets PLENTY of touches but he doesn't do anything with it.

Ayton makes the right play and right pass. Time for his teammates to do the same. Whether he’s scoring or not. Can’t just shoot 3s all day. Teams will just run us off the 3 or play zone and as you can see suns can’t handle a zone
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Post#73 » by alamin330 » Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:13 pm

BTW Suns have the 10th easiest schedule so far FYI
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Post#74 » by bwgood77 » Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:29 pm

Bogyo wrote:Other intresting stats from the games so far: we only lost the 2nd quarter twice, once against the Clippers, once against Detroit.
We have won the first quarter only 4 times - and 2 of these were by only 1 point. Slow starts, and starters not gelling enough is a real thing.


That's because our entire starting lineup has not outscored people. They have a poor net rating and poor defensive ratings. Every player does individually. The ones that sometimes play with the bench have a little better def rating and net rating because the bench does so well against other benches.

Our starters are still not gelling that well yet for whatever reason.
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Post#75 » by Saberestar » Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:30 pm

alamin330 wrote:
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alamin330 wrote:Bruh. We lost a game for taking too many 3s. The team isn’t adapting to defense. It’s not a winning formula. Bridges is definitely not the 2nd best player on the team. Thing is this formula won’t work in the playoffs. What’s your explanation for Booker only getting 16 shots a game? That’s the same amount as malik Beasley for crying out loud. Serge ibaka is getting more shots than Ayton. Balance is life. Whenever there’s an imbalance in something it’s a recipe for disaster. This team is as unbalanced as I’ve seen in years. If suns want to seriously consider themselves as contenders they need to pick up the pace and have a more balanced attack.

How in the world this team is "as unbalanced as I've seen in years" when we have had Suns teams winning 19 or 21 games in a full season?

Personally I don't care about who is scoring more or less... I just want to win games and go to the playoffs and I am pretty sure that Booker and Ayton think the same.

Yea. But what I’m trying to say is they winning is going to stop if we keep playing this way

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

If we start losing games I would make adjustments...but that is not the case.
The team is rolling so I would not change anything.
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Post#76 » by alamin330 » Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:32 pm

I bet suns lose tonight. Lol. If Beal is playing and if suns shoot more than 40 3s and dont make 40% of them and shoot less than 25 fta suns will lose this game.
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Post#77 » by lilfishi22 » Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:34 pm

If the other team scores 1% more than the Suns, I bet the Suns lose.
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Post#78 » by alamin330 » Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:40 pm

If I had to make a bet right now I would bet against the suns making the playoffs. That 7-3 is fool’s gold.
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Post#79 » by alamin330 » Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:45 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:If the other team scores 1% more than the Suns, I bet the Suns lose.

Funny. That’s how it works. But suns don’t seem focused on getting Booker and ayton involved in this offense. They seem more interested in shooting 3s. This team should look at what the heat do. They have Jimmy Dragic and Bam. It should be Paul Booker and Ayton in pick and roll situation.
Who’s gonna help Ayton with rebounding? No one. Because they’re all out at the 3 pt line trying to make 3s. That’s why we’re so terrible in offense rebounding.
It’s why we’re 2nd worst team in fta. But if you guys like this style ok. You’re going to be very sad in the end
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Post#80 » by Barkley6 » Mon Jan 11, 2021 9:45 pm

ATTL wrote:
bigfoot wrote:
alamin330 wrote:I blame Chris paul and Monty Williams.
Monty Williams being stubborn again and Chris paul doesn’t even look for Ayton. Ayton is wide open about 3 times a game and I mean not a soul next to him and they shoot a 3. It’s ridiculous. Bridges just can’t be taking more shots than Ayton. Cam Johnson definitely can’t be taking the same amount of shots as Ayton.


Hard to argue with 7-3


Ayton needs to be more aggressive but he's playing within the offense. Hes looking for the open man and doing the right thing moving the ball usually. His usage is very low last I checked and I think he needs to be more involved early in games so we aren't so reliant on the long ball when shooters inevitably come down.


The thing is, if Ayton starts attacking the rim, it makes EVERYONE better. If Detroit switches to zone D, but Ayton decides, ok, I'm catching it 15 feet out, no one can guard me 1 on 1 and I'm finishing strong at the rim....after 3-4 possessions of that they are either going to switch out of the zone, OR they will sink into the paint to deny Ayton space, and leave our shooters open. But instead he settles for a 15 foot jumper.

I've been a big Ayton supporter and I thought he was the right pick over Doncic (nothing against Doncic as a player, just felt Ayton was the lower risk prospect and fit our team better). But he needs to play like he's a 7ft C, not a 2 guard. He's not Dirk Nowitzki. He's gotten so much better in so many ways, but he needs to work on taking the ball inside and/or when he catches the ball inside going up strong.

A dunk and a layup are worth the same, but a CRUSHING dunk hypes your team up and deflates the opposition way more than a lightly tossed up lay in.

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