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I'm just curious, other than dunking, what does Amar'e bring?
People have said he has a jumper, but every mix video I see, is him doing dunks and thats it.
Does he really have a jumper, and is it as consistent as David Lee's jumper?

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get a real good offensive player, a very bad defensive player...

pidi wrote:http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1028933

get a real good offensive player, a very bad defensive player...

Thanks, I'm just curious about his shooting game, can someone give me info on his midrange game? Much appreciated.

GallosOurFuture wrote:I'm just curious, other than dunking, what does Amar'e bring?
People have said he has a jumper, but every mix video I see, is him doing dunks and thats it.
Does he really have a jumper, and is it as consistent as David Lee's jumper?

When he wants to, he can be a great player. Overall, he is a great assisted finisher, probably the best in the league. Near the end with PHX, he didn't get to the line half as much as he should have. Maybe he will have more luck in NY in that area, but he does get fouled often.

Expect some dumb things to come out of his mouth, and many promises. He does have a great jumper, and for the most part, he is extremely effective at it. He still has trouble passing out of the double team, plus he neglects slashers and cutters to try and make his own shot. If you guys can find a good pass first pg you will be happy with Stat.

He does still need to work on his boxing out and position for rebounding. He still turns his head on shots, instead of securing his man first. And he still allows his man to get set too far under the basket. His weak side help is decent, but through the years, he sometimes gets called for fouls instead of getting the block.

His freethrow shooting is good, and if the refs call it right, he should shoot a bunch. But with the new goggles, don't expect him to get his rebound if he misses the last freethrow (he is busy putting his goggles back on.)

He will most likely need another surgery on his knee in about two to three years, so there is a chance he will be out for a year.

Since his knee injury, he has shied away from contact, and is not as explosive as he once was. He can still throw down some sick dunks, but nowhere near what he used too.

With D'Antoni, he should do fine, and if his minutes are watched well, he could last past that third year without a surgery. But we all know Mike will play him as often as he can, and Amare will want to score as much as possible.

His defense is not the greatest, but when he wants to, he can be quite good. The only problem is he would rather play offense. Too bad for him that this isn't American football.

mh, his 15-18 ft was nearly perfect, hits almost everytime... seems a nice guy, wants to be the man.
if you can get a true, pass first pg to his side than you are definitly playoff bound next year.

yah, if mike gets into his head with defense i believe that he could be avarage with that..

Offensively:

He's all face-up, no back-to-the-basket. He isn't very agile but he makes up for it with his great first-step (which used to be insane before the injury but has come back somewhat).

He has a nice jumper out to 18 feet. Not a very quick release but he is usually able to find space to get it off either by his defender not respecting it or realising that if they play him too close he'll blow past him. He def prefers the elbows over the baseline.

He is fantastic at absorbing contact and finishing. Sometimes he tries to do a little too much tho and he doesn't have great vision so you can't just dump the ball to him in the high post consistently cos teams will adjust pretty quickly. He also has a tendency to give away offensive fouls when you just give him the ball in high post (and he doesn't receive much respect from the refs).

That's why he's so good at PnR cos if teams collapse it's usually the PG who realises it and makes the pass to the shooter rather than Amare. Having said that Amare is a good passer on set plays but terrible in ad hoc situations.

Defensively:

Ordinary post-up defender. Just doesn't use his strength well so gets backed down way too easily for someone his size. His lack of agility is really shown up if he switches onto a smaller player. You really don't want him in that situation.

He is a good weakside blocker. Very under-estimated in this department.

Rebounding-wise he's an inconsistent rebounder when he is not in foul trouble. When he's in foul trouble he is absolutely *terrible*. He is just afraid to make contact in positioning situations so that he doesn't incur a foul. D'Antoni in particular used to play him when he was in foul trouble and considering he played C predominately in those days he just used to get abused on the boards.

Conclusion:

He is def most suited to a pick'n'roll system because he prefers facing the basket and he is able to catch the ball in difficult situations and still finish. He is a good foil for a post-up player because his jumper allows him to space the floor and really he just needs one bounce and he'll be able to attack the basket.

Defensively you want to put him on the worst post-up player. If he's able to stay out of foul trouble he does alright most times. In the 2nd half he'll start going for blocks/rebounds. If he gets into foul trouble he's a real liability defensively I hate to say.

all I can say is that you can expect Amare to be at best half as good as he was in Phoenix without a pg like Nash

One of the best offensive players in the league and one of the worst defensive players in the league, pretty much sums it up.

GallosOurFuture wrote:I'm just curious, other than dunking, what does Amar'e bring?
People have said he has a jumper, but every mix video I see, is him doing dunks and thats it.
Does he really have a jumper, and is it as consistent as David Lee's jumper?

Regarding Stoudemire's jumper,

According to the statistics provided at 82games.com, Amar'e Stoudemire's 'Jump' attempt results in a 45.2% eFG.

To give some insight on what this means, we'll examine the eFG of other bigs with solid jumpshots:

Dirk Nowitzki: 47.4%
David Lee: 43%
Chris Bosh: 44.4%
David West: 44.1%
Pau Gasol: 38.2% --This is surprisingly low to me...
Kevin Garnett: 45.2%

--Keep in mind here that eFG adjusts for the fact that a 3-point FG is worth more than a 2-point field goal, which is why I didn't include guys like Troy Murphy and Okur, as they shoot significantly more 3's than Amar'e does. I used Dirk even though he shoots 1.5 threes per game, I used him because most everyone here is familiar with his game....

He typically matches up well against Dwight, Yao, Duncan, Dirk, Boston version KG, Aldridge, Boozer.

He has a harder time against versatile defenders like Varejao, Nene/K-Mart, Diaw, Gasol/Odom. Prime Sheed was the guy who used to play him best.

4 rebounds a game

expect great offense...he can hit the J as good or better than most big men not named dirk. Defensively, its all about effort.

IF, and that is a pretty huge if, he comes with intensity and energy, he is not as bad as what people say. He can easily go off on a 3 week stretch where he averages 12-13 boards a game. He's also a very good weakside shot blocker, his timing on shots around the rim is very good. However, sometimes he is completely lost. Don't know how many times replays showed his head not even looking in the direction of a cutter who got a wide open layup.

I think NY shouldn't be too worried about the effort part- It's his first year with a new contract on the biggest stage, and amare normally performs well when eyes are watching.

I predict around 24-25 a game with 10+ boards a game, with a slight drop in his efficiency( no more 16-18 games for 44 points like he had with nash)

damn im gonna miss him