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Post#1 » by NashtyNas » Wed Jul 16, 2008 4:48 am

We'll seeing as we are lacking an offical thread for trade idea's, I decided to create one. If you can Tastic, please sticky this ASAP. Thanks ;)

Oh yeah, and here's an idea I got.

Seeing as how we are thin at the PG position and need a true backup PF, i thought this would be a good idea. Also, the Grizzlies, except for OJ Mayo, don't have a SG. They are stacked at the PG, which we need, so I believe they would like this deal better than the proposed Magic deal where they get a second round pick and Keith Bogans for Crittenton.

Memphis trades Javaris Crittenton, Hakim Warrick, and Greg Buckner for Leandro Barbosa, Alando Tucker, and a future second.

Rationale:
1) We get a solid 3.5mil 2010 expiring contract in addition to our 3 others. Decent enough.

2) We get a true PF to play the PF, allowing Diaw to shift back to his preffered SF position where he seems to flourish as a starter. (Reference: look at all the games he started after the SHAQ trade when shaq wasnt playing and check his stats. sweet life?).

3) We get the perfect fit for our backup PG position in Crittenton. This guy is athletic, likes to play defence, pass first like Nash (not as good ofcourse) and can get to the rim at will. Also, he can play the shooting gaurd with his amazing size and versitility. This guy is cheap. Only thing he lacks is a good shot, but he can be good when left wide open and he isnt really that bad at shooting, just not great.

All we lose is a chucker in Barbosa, (yeah he can score, its the easiest thing to do in the game. Zach Randolph can score too you know) a first round pick who posses skill and can someday be a half-decent NBA player (think, Jarvis Hayes with much more athletisicm), and a second round pick in the late 40's or 50's. Good value for both teams? (Come on, im bashing our team but Barbosa fits perfectly at the SG if you have Mayo starting (this guy can kill people on defence), and tucker can be their backup for Rudy Gay. They dont need Warrick or Buckner because lets face it, Buckner flat out sucks cause of his age and Warrick is going to be replaced by Darrel Arthur.

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Re: TRADE THREAD 

Post#2 » by TASTIC » Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:10 am

Nah we tried to do this before an official 'Trade' thread and it doesn't work. Suns posters and other teams' posters just come on and post the idea they have and all that ends up happening is I either have to lock the new thread (followed by a new thread from the angry poster who created it and wants to know why it's locked), or merge it with the stickied thread. Then the topic gets too big and people constantly moan about how their idea gets lost in the shuffle...

Sorry mate :)
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Post#3 » by NashtyNas » Wed Jul 16, 2008 5:19 am

Well its fine with me, i'll just post all my ideas in here, cause as you may have noticed i seem to get too many of them. what do you think of my idea though?

EDIT: I just noticed i have more than 200 posts in a month. and i was away for 2 weeks on vacation. i need to leave RealGM alone for a while :lol:
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Post#4 » by nba_addict » Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:29 am

Random Boris Diaw Trade Ideas:

1. Diaw for Bobby Jackson, Donte Greene and Joey Dorsey.

Jackson is an expiring and could give some minutes on PG position. Donte Greene will be our back-up 3pt sniper and project player. Here hoping he is the next Rudy Gay. Dorsey will fill our 4 spot as enforcer and defensive specialist.

2. Diaw for Kapono, Humpries and lottery protected 1st.

Fill out the gap on 3 and 4 positions and another 09 pick.

3. Diaw for Tim Thomas, Livingston (S&T 2 million / 2 years) and 09 lottery protected 1st.

4. Diaw for Earl Watson, Damien Wilkins and DJ. White.

Back-up PG, SG/SF and young PF for Diaw.
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Post#5 » by TASTIC » Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:14 am

Tucker, Barbosa and Diaw


for


Villanueva, Charlie Bell and Dan Gadzuric

Solves the backup PG, shooter off the bench role, and defensive backup. Diaw would pair with Bogut and Jefferson to form a nice frontcourt, and is a player they could really use down low as his unselfishness would allow Mo, Jefferson and Redd to do what they do best = SCORE

Sessions isn't going anywhere either I don't think...
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Post#6 » by lebron4mvp » Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:44 am

sorry addict no team is dumb enough to give up any first round pick and player's for diaw
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Post#7 » by nba_addict » Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:16 am

lebron4mvp wrote:sorry addict no team is dumb enough to give up any first round pick and player's for diaw


Diaw linked to Raptors
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archi ... o_raptors/

The Toronto Raptors and Phoenix Suns have had discussions about a potential Boris Diaw for T.J. Ford and pick 17 swap, the Arizona Republic is reporting.


The trade did not materialize but thats enough proof about Diaws trade value.
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Post#8 » by nba_addict » Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:32 am

TASTIC wrote:Tucker, Barbosa and Diaw

for

Villanueva, Charlie Bell and Dan Gadzuric

Solves the backup PG, shooter off the bench role, and defensive backup. Diaw would pair with Bogut and Jefferson to form a nice frontcourt, and is a player they could really use down low as his unselfishness would allow Mo, Jefferson and Redd to do what they do best = SCORE

Sessions isn't going anywhere either I don't think...


Tastic I observe you have this fascination with Bucks players. :D Im remember you liking Simmons before the NJ trade a month ago.

If I may borrow your trade idea above I like to pull a Barbosa and Diaw for Alexander, Bell and Gadz.
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Post#9 » by TASTIC » Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:39 am

Its not a fascination, rather I think we're going to have to take some portion of crap contracts back if we are to get rid of Diaw somehow...so it may as well be guys like Simmons and Gadzuric who, although overpaid, they can provide some steady play and have shorter, smaller deals.

^And there's no way MIL give up Alexander...
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Post#10 » by Miklo » Wed Jul 16, 2008 1:05 pm

I've always imagined Villanueva in a Suns uni...he would be the perfect long-term balance to Lopez as more of an offensive, agile player...however I don't think we can get enough value back for what we'd have to give up for him. I'm not into Bell and I don't like giving up Diaw and Barbs for Villanueva. I would give them both up for a player of his calibre but if we're gonna do that I want a 2 or 3 that's worth almost as much as them both combined (from a team that needs depth and is willing to give up a swing for our guys). The reason is that with the value we give up I don't like betting against Lopez and having 3 young (hopefully) solid 4/5's when we would get murdered at the 2 and 3 position.
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Post#11 » by eastsidecrossover » Wed Jul 16, 2008 3:33 pm

Trade threads dont work. The one for marion was pretty succesful, but that was one player.

I would love to see Villanueva here.
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Post#12 » by NashtyNas » Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:20 pm

East, this is jsut to post my ideas cause i seem to make too many threads and i doubt you guys like that. Anyone else who wants to post is welcome. Also, im joining your bandwagon of "Shaun Livingston to PHX." IF he can play without 8 hours of therapy every game that is.. I doubt Steve Kerr ever pulls the trigger on that one TASTIC, because its a steal for the Bucks. and like Gilbert said, no one wants to play in milwaukee, why would barbs or diaw? That deal sucks for us anyways, Bell is at msot an avg combo gaurd, gadzuric is just as horrible as his contract. all we get is C-Vill for Diaw and Barbs. I am also up to get rid of Diaw, but i think it should be atleast a 60% - 40% match instead of a 80-20 lol.
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Post#13 » by NashtyNas » Wed Jul 16, 2008 6:54 pm

Rockets Set to Deal?

According to multiple sources a "minor deal" is imminent for the Houston Rockets. The question that remains is who exactly is leaving Houston and where are they headed?

Joey Dorsey has not signed with the team yet and was not in uniform today for summer league play in Las Vegas. There are rumblings that he could be involved in the deal. In addition, word is the trade could also include either Steve Novak or Luther Head.

No definitive word yet on who the Rockets may be wheeling and dealing with, only that a deal is likely on the way.

Just read that and i thought its pretty interesting.
I think a trade like Barbosa and Tucker and a future second - for Steve Novak Steve Francis Luther Head and Joey Dorsey would work.

Leaves us with:

Nash/Francis
Bell/Head/DJ
Diaw/Hill/
Stoudemire/Dorsey/Novak
Shaq/Lopez

Signing giriceck, a backup point gaurd, and center would fill out the roster.
Signings after this trade:
Giriceck 4mil/2yr contract. (2mil/yr, leaves 3.5 in the MLE)
Marks vet minimum
Livingston 4mil/2yr contract (leaves 1.5 in the MLE) so sarver pays 4mil extra lux tax. he can do that from all the money he got selling our picks :@

Nash/Livingston/DJ
Bell/Head/DJ
Diaw/Hill/Giriceck
Stoudemire/Dorsey
Shaq/Lopez

Inactive:
Novak
Francis
Marks

When SHAQ goes down for a stretch, it would look decent with Marks backing up the C. Also, our 3rd string bigs (marks and novak) can shoot the ball from 3 :D.

Why:
Deal gets us a replacement for what we loose (Barbosa, a 6th man scorer. Head, a 6th man scorer. Head is more of a chucker than Barbosa [cant believe it eh? well there can be more chuckers than him]. Head also gives us a 3 pt threat that we would loose in Barbs. Francis can be a vet 3rd string PG to fill in if Nash goes down. Dorsey would be our defensive stopper at the 4 off the bench he is a good shooter too.

Good depth and balanced team if this trade were to happen, and all we give up is Tucker, Barbs and a second. :D We also cut like 1mil in salaries so the vet min signing of Marks basically gets paid for.
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Post#14 » by Miklo » Wed Jul 16, 2008 7:03 pm

???
So we get 2 IRL players, swap Barbs for a much worse player to fill his same role, and pick up Dorsey who does not at all fall into a top priority of our backup needs and is just as unproven as Tuck (sidenote: Dorsey college career FT% = 42% omg)? Nope.
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Post#15 » by pidi » Wed Jul 16, 2008 8:21 pm

yah, francis could start over in phoenix just like marbury, both could realy back up nash -
and it would be awesome. i also like villanueva in here, diaw for villanueva and bell would be ok.
just for the fact that diaw will never good with amare and shaq - that just doens´t work at all...
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Post#16 » by NashtyNas » Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:31 pm

Umm Francis would be a third stringer. We give up nothing, barbosa sucks anyways. We get Dorsey and Head, Dorsey is a Ben Wallace type defender and mark my words will be a better player than most people expect. At the least he will be an energy big like Jason Maxiell, except much better defender..
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Post#17 » by Miklo » Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:49 pm

sd1306 wrote:Umm Francis would be a third stringer. We give up nothing, barbosa sucks anyways. We get Dorsey and Head, Dorsey is a Ben Wallace type defender and mark my words will be a better player than most people expect. At the least he will be an energy big like Jason Maxiell, except much better defender..


You put Francis on IRL in your proposal, and so would Suns.

"Barbosa sucks anyways"...are you kidding me? I give fully respectful critique to even your wildest trade proposals, but come on man you gotta do some research/be more realistic before you make comments like this, it just makes you look bad. How long have you been a Suns fan? Barbosa does not suck by any stretch of the imagination.

You may be right, but I see Dorsey as the latter, closer to a Maxiell type plus maybe some defensive upside. I literally see him as having little to no more value than Tuck. And Head sucks compared to Barbs. Which is exactly why this trade makes no sense to me at all.
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Post#18 » by walkingart » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:29 pm

miklo714 wrote:
sd1306 wrote:Umm Francis would be a third stringer. We give up nothing, barbosa sucks anyways. We get Dorsey and Head, Dorsey is a Ben Wallace type defender and mark my words will be a better player than most people expect. At the least he will be an energy big like Jason Maxiell, except much better defender..


You put Francis on IRL in your proposal, and so would Suns.

"Barbosa sucks anyways"...are you kidding me? I give fully respectful critique to even your wildest trade proposals, but come on man you gotta do some research/be more realistic before you make comments like this, it just makes you look bad. How long have you been a Suns fan? Barbosa does not suck by any stretch of the imagination.

You may be right, but I see Dorsey as the latter, closer to a Maxiell type plus maybe some defensive upside. I literally see him as having little to no more value than Tuck. And Head sucks compared to Barbs. Which is exactly why this trade makes no sense to me at all.


It makes no sense to me at all either.

What is clear; sd1306 hates Barbosa, and values Diaw at a rate much higher than the rest of the league? He also has a hard on for unproven young college stars, and believes most of them will be good if not great, when in reality the majority of the Marcus Williams, Ramon Sessions, Julius Hodges, Darrell Arthur, and now the Dorsey's of the world will be tantamount to nothing.

I am however going to remember to mark his words, that way I am prepared to hear his, I told you so!
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Post#19 » by rsavaj » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:14 pm

Boris/Barbosa for Artest/Kenny Thomas

Boris/Barbosa for Vince Carter/Marcus Williams
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Post#20 » by chaos07phx » Wed Jul 16, 2008 11:20 pm

Diaw for Bobby Jackson, Donte Greene and Joey Dorsey seems like a good deal for Phoenix.
A good PG, SG/SF to come off the bench for Hill, Good defense center.

Nash/Jackson/
Bell/Barbosa/Gordon
Hill/Greene/Gordon
Amare/Lopez/Dorsey
Shaq/Lopez/Skinner

Inactive: DJ, Tucker

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