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Post#361 » by Spens1 » Sun Feb 3, 2019 11:34 am

New Japan in Sapporo was on tonight, headed up by LIJ and Suzuki-Gun at the end of the show.

I honestly didn't watch until the fourth match (it started reasonably early over here).

We've had the continued feud between G.O.D, Ishimori and Bullet Club in general with the reformed Most Violent Players/GBH and Taguchi.

White, Fale and Chase vs Okada, Tanahashi and Yoshi-Hashi. More of the same tbh. Though White's new submission finisher is something else I have a feeling though that White's dominance, knowing Gedo, is a false flag and actually Bode's well for Tanahashi (though if White loses, i feel he's going to basically cripple Tanahashi at this point, either after the match, or at some stage).

Now for the real beginning of the event (the rest of it was a good build up, this after that is for the real meat).

IWGP Jr Tag Team titles - Shingo & Bushi vs Desperado & Kanemaru

Really solid match overall. Good back and forth, standard suzuki-gun antics in the middle with them taking it to the outside but the match was mostly in the ring. This Bushi vs El Desperado matchup has become a really nice rivalry, probably ending a mask vs mask match at somepoint this year.

IWGP Heavyweight Tag Team Titles - EVIL & SANADA vs Suzuki & ZSJ

Standard Suzuki-Gun start, they jump LIJ and go from there. Sanada spends a good 10 minutes at the start just being beaten up for the most part. EVIL gets the hot tag and momentum swings. At some point though it looked like Suzuki would get the submission on Sanada, but momentum swung back in favour

IWGP Intercontinental Championship - Tetsuya Naito vs Taichi

This match almost didn't get started, as Naito was jumped at the bell by Iizuka. Iizuka drills him with the ladder (including across the head) and Taichi hits Black Memphisto on the ramp, they take him to the back and we get a 15 minute 'will-they, won't they' dance. New Japan President (Subayashi) and head trainer comes out, Red Shoes grabs the belt and hides the belt with his chest on the turnbuckle :lol: Anyway after it looked like they would call a no contest, Naito somehow goes ringside, ignoring the advice of the trainer and President and we have a match, it looked like it could be a squash early on, but Taichi tries to hit black mephisto onto a table, Naito reverses it and hits the piledriver instead onto the table outside. From there, we had a reasonably 50-50 match. Both kicking out of big moves (Taichi kicked out of a Destino and nut kick combo, Naito kicked out of, basically everything). We also had another Iizuka run in, which Naito then goes out and attacks him. Taichi tries to hit him with the title but Naito reverses, thinks about hitting him with that title (like how he won against Jericho) but instead goes for the mic stand, Taichi low blows him and whacks him with the chair on the head (dw, its gimmicked i think). Anyway we have some back and forth, eventually Naito gets some momentum, hits a second Destino.
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Post#362 » by Spens1 » Sun Feb 3, 2019 11:42 am

From tonight though, Suzuki-Gun go 0-3, pay attention to what happens with them (Suzuki ate the pin also in the match), this could be the beginning of the end now for that faction (at least in its current form). Suzuki himself could end up being more freelance from here on in anyway, he's no longer that upper mid card/borderline main eventer he was before, the decline has set in (which is incredible given he's already 50 and has a 30 year career across MMA and wrestling).

LIJ also seems to be on the up, i'm guessing they're feuding with Bullet Club.
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Post#363 » by Spens1 » Mon Feb 4, 2019 12:41 am

Note, Tetsuya Naito also promised to be the first ever person to hold the World Title and IC title concurrently.

Note (the New Japan cup winner will challenge most likely at the MSG show since their is no Sakura Genesis PPV this year).
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Re: NJPW Thread (New Japan Pro Wrestling) 

Post#364 » by improper » Mon Feb 4, 2019 12:42 am

Spens1 wrote:Note, Tetsuya Naito also promised to be the first ever person to hold the World Title and IC title concurrently.

Note (the New Japan cup winner will challenge most likely at the MSG show since their is no Sakura Genesis PPV this year).


Assuming they don't f*ck up the passports again. :lol:
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Post#365 » by Spens1 » Mon Feb 4, 2019 1:40 am

improper wrote:
Spens1 wrote:Note, Tetsuya Naito also promised to be the first ever person to hold the World Title and IC title concurrently.

Note (the New Japan cup winner will challenge most likely at the MSG show since their is no Sakura Genesis PPV this year).


Assuming they don't f*ck up the passports again. :lol:


They've probably sorted out passports for this show already, because this is their biggest U.S show ever.
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Post#366 » by Spens1 » Wed Feb 6, 2019 2:05 am

So apparently in a string of tweets, Katsuya Kitamura has announced he has been granted a release by New Japan. I don't think they believe he can go anymore after the leg injury as a result of his moped accident.

I'm hoping he goes to All Japan (the matches with Zeus, Bodguard and Doering would be something spectacular) or Big Japan (Sekimoto, Hideki Suzuki, Okabayashi, Hino etc) would be all amazing.

It does suck though because out of all the young lions, out of the 2017 class he probably showed the most promise to do something really big.
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Re: NJPW Thread (New Japan Pro Wrestling) 

Post#367 » by Spens1 » Fri Feb 8, 2019 8:54 am

With Best Friends and Kenny appearing, this is the list of people who have left

The Elite:
Kenny Omega
The Young Bucks
Cody Rhodes
Hangman Page
Marty Scurll (more or less)

Trent Baretta
Chucky T
Kushida

Katsuya Kitamura

They've lost 9 wrestlers ffs, including 1 top heavyweight, 1 top tag team, 2 top juniors and a ton of midcarders. Hopefully New Japan actually signs some talent. The young lions are still in Japan, Kawato has flopped in Mexico and Oka has a weird gimmick (like EVIL is one thing, this mongolian gimmick is just extra).

Chris Jericho is apparently working out stories with Gedo (meaning he's wrestling Tanahashi this year and probably Okada, i'd also love to see him put over EVIL, that was a solid storyline last year).
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Post#368 » by Spens1 » Fri Feb 8, 2019 11:28 pm

in a WON interview with Kenny Omega, Omega confirmed that he has it in his contract that he has it specifically in his contract that he can appear for New Japan and he has the freedom to do that (he also talked about crossover etc). So its likely that we see Kenny Omega in a New Japan ring this year.

So I think it confirms that he will appear (since he's also still on the site whilst the rest of the Elite are not).

He put WWE's offer ahead of new japan's which shocked me but the wwe offer was very good (with a ton of money and creative control that you wouldn't have gotten from New Japan).

Ibushi has not signed with AEW because of commitments with his wrestling research institute (whatever on earth it actually is) but he does expect him at AEW one day, just not at double or nothing (and being Ibushi, without contract).
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Post#369 » by LLJ » Sat Feb 9, 2019 2:40 pm

I'm surprised NJPW seemed so nonchalant about getting Omega back, considering how much they had invested in him.
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Post#370 » by Spens1 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 12:30 pm

The New Beginning tour has finished with New Beginning at Osaka and bloody hell, that was a damn good show with a freaking good main event. Anyone who says Jay White can't work now after this match needs their heads examined, that was a legitimately great match with fantastic storytelling and selling. Jay White already is exhibiting top level selling which is amazing, he doesn't have a flashy moveset (cause he's a heel) but he's damn good. I'd say this is pretty damn close to 5 stars honestly, best match of his career tbh (only reason I wouldn't say 5 stars, start was slow).

The work on both knees where huge here. A whole lot of emotion in this one (especially from Tanahashi).

Spoiler:
oh yeah, we're in the switchblade era now. Jay White is the new IWGP Heavyweight Champion.

This I believe this is the first time Tanahashi has had a 0 defence run (as well as being the the first since Manabu Nakanishi almost 10 years ago overall) and the shortest world title run since Kensuke Sasaki's 16 day reign all the way back in 2004.

Oh yeah NZ, we're claiming Jay White :lol: . It really was a kind of out of nowhere moment because despite being back and forth, Tanahashi had the momentum at the end but White catches Tanahashi mid air and hits the switchblade *laughs in Gedo*


Okada vs Fale was also very solid, Fale matches are usually as good as the competitor, he's rubbish against the likes of Tacos or Yano but when you put him against Okada or Tanahashi, he's damn good.

Ibushi publically announced that he is staying with the company and will be entering the New Japan Cup (he has a damn good chance, the moment the mad man puts pen to paper on a contract longer than 2 years, he will get a world title run in 6 months, Gedo would cream himself). He also got a massive pop and got the women in the audience crying as well and the men cheering, the man is freaking over.

Naito apparently is entering the New Japan cup, i can imagine in kafaybe he was like f u to the office, i want the world title. I have a feeling he won't win here though (no sense for him to win the cup and lose since he's taking the title sometime this year,
Spoiler:
White isn't going as a zero defence champ
, my bet is Okada or they'll get Ishii, Goto or Ibushi to win the cup and lose at MSG).

Jr Heavyweight title match is going to be RP3K vs Bushi & Shingo after RP3K came in and stole the belts and then the two teams got into it.

Jr Heavyweight title match was better than it had every right to be. Ishimori may end up being the dark ace of the jr heavyweight division.

Sanada and EVIL beat Umino and Yoshida in a match that i'm not quiet sure means Excursion for them both (i mean, now would be a very good time to do it given they lost 9 wrestlers in the last month).

Also apparently attendance was up over last year (more or less the same though, crowd of 5570).

Other funny things from the night: Taichi giving Harold Meij the finger, Tama Tonga murdering everyone with a kendo stick (no one was safe, young lions, ringside, camera man, everyone got it).
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Re: NJPW Thread (New Japan Pro Wrestling) 

Post#371 » by LLJ » Mon Feb 11, 2019 2:16 pm

I called Jay White winning after Wrestle Kingdom. It's pretty funny to see it happen still. He has a very...unorthodox look for a top champion. I guess that's why he's a heel.
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Re: NJPW Thread (New Japan Pro Wrestling) 

Post#372 » by Spens1 » Mon Feb 11, 2019 11:32 pm

LLJ wrote:I called Jay White winning after Wrestle Kingdom. It's pretty funny to see it happen still. He has a very...unorthodox look for a top champion. I guess that's why he's a heel.


He's much more like Prince Devitt rather than AJ Styles or Kenny Omega. A proper heel (like he would be the biggest heel in the company right now).

Though this is probably the reason why New Japan were probably not as concerned about losing Omega. I think Jay White from the sounds of things was always the succession plan for that Gaijin Ace position, even if they had to rush things here.
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Post#373 » by Celtsfan1980 » Wed Feb 20, 2019 4:36 pm

Since they're not likely to wrestle much, does Okada vs. Omega deserve to go down as the greatest series of wrestling matches ever?
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Post#374 » by Spens1 » Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:16 am

Celtsfan1980 wrote:Since they're not likely to wrestle much, does Okada vs. Omega deserve to go down as the greatest series of wrestling matches ever?


You'd have to go back to the likes of Misawa vs Kobashi or even Steamboat vs Flair probably to see something of a similar quality i'd say.
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Post#375 » by Spens1 » Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:22 am

Anniversary show is next week and we're getting Ospreay vs White, which could be interesting.

https://www.njpw1972.com/tornament/40693?showCards=1

I'd say Hiromu will return on this show (which is fantastic, the Jr Heavyweight division NEEDS him in the worst way). Also hopefully that means Shingo goes heavyweight (please, just let him do it already).

Also Mikey Nicholls (Nick Miller in WWE) of TMDK (TM-61 in NXT) has joined CHAOS. Probably replacing Baretta.

Also, in a little while, its time to scream as your bracket gets destroyed by Gedo, its the New Japan Cup

1st Round: 8th of March - 11th
2nd Round: 13th, 14th, 16th and 17th
Quarter Finals: 20th and 21st
Semi Finals: 23rd
Finals: 24th

1st Round Matchups:

Nagata vs Ishii
Honma vs Taichi
Nakanishi vs Yoshi Hashi
Robinson vs Owens
Okada vs Elgin
Nicholls vs Hikuleo
Ospreay vs Fale
Henare vs Archer

Tanahashi vs Umino
Tenzan vs Finlay
Ibushi vs Naito
Sabre Jr vs Makabe
Cabana vs Yano
Smith Jr vs Kojima
Suzuki vs Goto
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Post#376 » by Spens1 » Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:49 am

my pickems for this:

1st Round Matchups:

Nagata vs Ishii
Honma vs Taichi
Nakanishi vs Yoshi Hashi
Robinson vs Owens
Okada vs Elgin
Nicholls vs Hikuleo
Ospreay vs Fale
Henare vs Archer

Tanahashi vs Umino (probably Umino's last match before excursion, he's going to come back to a Jay White level push)
Tenzan vs Finlay
Ibushi vs Naito (whoever's winning this will win the cup, what a first round match)
EVIL vs Sabre Jr
Makabe vs Cabana
Yano vs Smith Jr
Suzuki vs Kojima
Goto vs Sanada

2nd Round:
Ishii vs Taichi
Yoshi Hashi vs Robinson
Okada vs Nicholls
Ospreay vs Henare

Tanahashi vs Finlay
Ibushi vs EVIL
Makabe vs Smith jr
Suzuki vs Sanada

Quarter Finals:
Ishii vs Robinson
Okada vs Ospreay

Tanahashi vs Ibushi
Makabe vs Sanada

Semi Finals:
Ishii vs Ospreay
Ibushi vs Sanada

Finals:
Ospreay vs Ibushi

Winner: Kota Ibushi

my thinking with Ospreay pinning Okada is more to do with Ospreay joining bullet club and them running interference, thus making the Ishii vs Ospreay match that much more intriguing, i think they have a wild match with Ospreay beating him, cementing Ospreay as the #2 Bullet Club guy (and potential leader even if Jay White falters) and other than Ibushi, would be the big star coming out of the tournament (and in a role he will excel at). The storyline implications between Ospreay and Okada + Ishii and the rest of CHAOS as he's outed as the mole is huge as well.

Sanada i see making a huge run also, its clear that they're high on him, if he signs the contract he's getting a rocket. Either way he's super over with the audience so they'll give him a push. his partner EVIL will probably beat ZSJ (only because of New Japan not really doing 50-50 booking and ZSJ is being broken down a bit before he gets pushed hard again).

I said whoever wins the Ibushi vs Naito match is winning the cup (then again, it is Gedo, he could have Shota Umino win it for all i know), that is my genuine belief, why i went with Ibushi is because, whilst first time IWGP champs don't have long reigns generally (Omega's was an outlier really in that), i do think that they won't have Jay White lose so quickly or at MSG, not after beating Tanahashi in the way he did. I think he'll get a defense here and at Dontaku probably before losing at Dominion. They're protecting this White vs Naito match with all their might so i think Naito will be the one challenging at Dominion (and winning). As for Ibushi, i think he's getting a big push and they'll give him a passing of the torch moment between himself and Tanahashi. Showing that he's put 2 and 2 together and has become that main event star he was always meant to be (kayfabe logic of course).However, i think the main reason he wins, they need someone who needs to lose to White and neither Okada nor Naito are going to take L's at major events, not this year at least.

Ishii is seen as legit, so him making the semis is no surprise, Robinson is good and a quarter final exit against Ishii means he's protected mostly (no shame in losing to a guy who is seen as a top 10 guy).

I think its too soon for Okada, being the Ace, he's on the long term decline, though in his loss to Ospreay, i'm guessing he looks super impressive and is highly protected (only losing via Bullet Club shenanigans). Okada and Bullet Club (namely Gedo and Jay White) are all on a collision course, thus making Okada's revenge on Bullet Club that much more crucial. I think Jay White is playing the same role ZSJ did for Naito last year, Okada will beat Jay White and Gedo probably at KOPW to retain his slot at WK.
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Post#377 » by Spens1 » Fri Mar 1, 2019 3:57 am

Well the bracket is blown since David Finlay Jr is out of the tournament and their is no known replacement at this time.

Some are calling for Narita or Yoshida to come in (Narita would be my pick out of the two because i think he's almost as good as Umino).

Some mentioned Cobb but i doubt it would be him since he would exit early and they are reasonably high on him (at least as a mid carder) and he's the current TV champ, TV champ wouldn't lose in the 2nd round.

Also according to Meltzer (so, given it is Dave reporting on Japanese wrestling, pinch of salt): New Japan is interested in Woman's wrestling, but as a separate company that is under the Bushiroad umbrella. Unrelated, SHO & YOH and some New Japan executives were at Stardom.

Given Stardom's deal with ROH, Bushiroad buying Stardom and making Stardom a sister promotion to New Japan and their being occasional crossover would be good (much like DDT and TJPW).

The more likely option sounds like Bushiroad creating another Joshi Promotion (which would be bizarre given the fact that their is Stardom, TJPW, Sendai Girls, Seaddling, Ice Ribbon and like at least 5 other decent sized Joshi Promotions, so creating another one would dilute the other ones greatly).

Either way though, it would be good to see a new promotion IF they get paid well and it provides an alternative to where wrestlers don't have to go to WWE to get paid (cause they're absolutely hopeless with their woman's division outside the top talent, lets be honest).
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Post#378 » by Spens1 » Wed Mar 6, 2019 3:46 am

I think i forgot to mention this but Taguchi has replaced David Finlay in the New Japan Cup (in my opinion, a very bad choice, then again i don't care for Taguchi at all and would rather Narita or Yoshida have been given the opportunity).

Anniversary show is on tonight, it should be really good and a pretty huge show for a non big 4.

Also this is part of the interview that Ospreay gave on the New Japan website:

Ospreay: "He’s whispering in my ear and strategising in the ring. When he was backstage, Okada wanted him in Chaos but he didn’t trust him, no one did. As much as I hate admitting this, I liked having that violent side in Chaos. I felt like we were missing it, we were missing having that person who would do anything to get the win. I quite liked it. I felt that it was almost as if I was edging towards Jay’s philosophy in a weird way. But, I know the difference between right and wrong and as much as you like something, it doesn’t mean its right."

and later in the interview "I feel we’ve got this weird bond as well. He’s from New Zealand, my girlfriend’s family are from New Zealand, so we’ve got a bit of a bond. Jay knows my missus and her family and I did quite like Jay. I truly think that no matter how down or broken somebody is I always believe in my heart of hearts that they can be fixed."


Gedo could be working here and making everyone suspicious, but it would make a lot of sense, with Nicholls there now, Ospreay is kind of left out to an extent as he would be the 4th ranked singles guy in the faction out of around 6 or 7 (Okada, Ishii and Goto are all ahead of him atm). I still reckon having him as the mole makes the most sense.
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Post#379 » by Spens1 » Thu Mar 7, 2019 11:38 am

Last night's anniversary show was very good, i highly recommend it. Jr Heavyweight title match was really really good and White i think has proven he can deliver in the ring when it counts.

The big stories coming out other then that is that we have some kind of super unit to go against bullet club it would seem (though they all want to win the NJ Cup), we still don't know who the mole is and Hiromu didn't return.
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Post#380 » by Spens1 » Thu Mar 7, 2019 12:12 pm

Also, Jyushin Thunder Liger has announced he is retiring at the Tokyo Dome.

One of New Japan's greatest wrestlers and probably the best japanese jr heavyweight wrestler ever (and up their with the all time greats). He has, throughout his career won the Jr Heavyweight title a record 11 times, the Jr Heavyweight tag team titles 6 times, BOSJ 3 times, NWA Jr Heavyweight title 2 times and has even won the NOAH Jr heavyweight and jr tag team titles as well as winning Dragon Gate's top title (The Dream Gate title) over his 35 year career.

An absolute legend. Thank you Liger for everything you have contributed to wrestling.

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