WWE Raw Discussion III

[LLJ]

They'll be regularly below 2M in a month.

[Spens1]

It was a horrible show, that's the least they deserved after putting that product on TV (the in ring stuff was bad as was the segments).

[tugs]

Bray is creepy, man. The subtle details in the segments adds another layer too. The "person" shown in the window of the burning house, Abby the witch becoming violent (voice wise), Bray's expressions, especially during the, "Let me in" line. Gold.

[bestnamezRtaken]

Bray is creepy, man. The subtle details in the segments adds another layer too. The "person" shown in the window of the burning house, Abby the witch becoming violent (voice wise), Bray's expressions, especially during the, "Let me in" line. Gold.

Yeah, they're nailing the small little subtle details in these segments. I've watched it a few times and I notice something new every time.

Also, my three kids (all 2 1/2yo) LOVE the Firefly Funhouse. They get sucked into it, stop what they're doing and laser focused. When Bray was spelling Sociopath...one of them was trying to spell along with Bray. Then when he was waving goodbye, my kids waved goodbye to him as well.

Creepy.

[tugs]

That's messed up man watch over them.

Just saw the inspiration of this segment. Got hooked to Don't Hug Me I'm Scared.

[LLJ]

Not sure it belongs in this thread, but since nobody knows where he's going yet, here's something some indie fans may have missed:

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[bestnamezRtaken]

Not sure it belongs in this thread, but since nobody knows where he's going yet, here's something some indie fans may have missed:

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[JohnPferdelack]

He is back. The Brand split already over!

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[improper]

They don't seem to understand that the problem with Raw is not a lack of star power. It's a lack of quality content.

You can't expect people to watch a three hour show where only about fifteen minutes of it doesn't suck.

[JohnPferdelack]

They have no real plans, no storylines. Everytime a wrestlers switches the brands without a reason.
Even the rating confirms that but there's no improvement in sight.

[Scott Hall]

They don't seem to understand that the problem with Raw is not a lack of star power. It's a lack of quality content.

You can't expect people to watch a three hour show where only about fifteen minutes of it doesn't suck.

Nailed it

The stubborn delusional emperor knows better then everybody no end in sight

[Heat3]

They don't seem to understand that the problem with Raw is not a lack of star power. It's a lack of quality content.

You can't expect people to watch a three hour show where only about fifteen minutes of it doesn't suck.

Nailed it

The stubborn delusional emperor knows better then everybody no end in sight

To be fair, it’s easier to point out that something sucks than it is to make it not suck.

[improper]

To be fair, it’s easier to point out that something sucks than it is to make it not suck.

Eh...I don't think booking wrestling is rocket science. You just need an understanding of your audience and what they want, and you need to build up the guys the fans respond to.

The problem is that WWE does the exact opposite of both of those 90% of the time, then occasionally throw us a bone by letting Becky and Kofi win. But it's not enough when the midcard is nonexistent and everyone outside of about five people is treated like they don't matter on a weekly basis.

[Stanford]

Companies spend millions of dollars trying to figure out what their customers want. I dont think it's as easy as you're letting on. Especially when it comes to wrestling fans, who turn against something the second they think authority figures are behind it.

[Scott Hall]

Nobody complained during the 80's, 90's and early to mid 2000's

[Stanford]

Nobody complained during the 80's, 90's and early to mid 2000's

So no one complained before high speed internet was available in most communities.

Also, it took me about 3 minutes to find this post on a wrestling google group from 2001:

WWF sucks now

McMahon better do something cuz this sucks...HHH/SCSA are getting old and it
sucks you can't have one match anymore without the weapons.

And the replies

Spoiler:

HHHHHmmmmm, sorta sounds like WCW in their final days with that idiot
Steiner and his pipe eh? What ever happened to good matches...is there
no skill left in pro-wrestling?

No skills left when the older wrestlers are stealing the spotlight from the
younger wrestlers. I think HHH and SCSA is doing that now like Hogan did in
the WCW.

This is the exact reason why WCW failed and WWF was always so much better and
now they are just following the same path! If they dont change soon I think
that they might start losing some fans---all i know is i dont care tho.....i am
a die hard fan and i dont care if they dress up like clowns and bring out the
kitchen sink...i will always watch :0)

DAMN I MISS ECW!

I notice a difference. And WWF is the only wrestling I've ever
watched--of and on during the Shawn Michaels/DX days and regularly since
around Summer Slam 2000. Never saw ECW and the two or three times I
tuned in to WCW, it wasn't as exciting as WWF. I like HHH. He could
drown a basket of poodle puppies and I'd still mark out when he comes
onscreen. But for the love of all that is holy, do we have to watch him
all the time?! Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if the storyline were
better... Austin the Weasel and sledgehammers..... Good grief...
I'd like to see more of Test, Jericho and Molly Holly.

WWF Has sucked for a very long long time. They have a couple guys that are ok.
but for the most part they blow the big banana. really blows now with no Kat,
Litas nice looking from the chest down, And the storylines to many of them and
to less action.

These may as well be tweets from yesterday.

[improper]

Companies spend millions of dollars trying to figure out what their customers want. I dont think it's as easy as you're letting on. Especially when it comes to wrestling fans, who turn against something the second they think authority figures are behind it.

Most companies don't have a live crowd every damn night telling them what they want that they proceed to ignore for the better part of a decade.

[Scott Hall]

Nobody complained during the 80's, 90's and early to mid 2000's

So no one complained before high speed internet was available in most communities.

Also, it took me about 3 minutes to find this post on a wrestling google group from 2001:

WWF sucks now

McMahon better do something cuz this sucks...HHH/SCSA are getting old and it
sucks you can't have one match anymore without the weapons.

And the replies

Spoiler:

HHHHHmmmmm, sorta sounds like WCW in their final days with that idiot
Steiner and his pipe eh? What ever happened to good matches...is there
no skill left in pro-wrestling?

No skills left when the older wrestlers are stealing the spotlight from the
younger wrestlers. I think HHH and SCSA is doing that now like Hogan did in
the WCW.

This is the exact reason why WCW failed and WWF was always so much better and
now they are just following the same path! If they dont change soon I think
that they might start losing some fans---all i know is i dont care tho.....i am
a die hard fan and i dont care if they dress up like clowns and bring out the
kitchen sink...i will always watch :0)

DAMN I MISS ECW!

I notice a difference. And WWF is the only wrestling I've ever
watched--of and on during the Shawn Michaels/DX days and regularly since
around Summer Slam 2000. Never saw ECW and the two or three times I
tuned in to WCW, it wasn't as exciting as WWF. I like HHH. He could
drown a basket of poodle puppies and I'd still mark out when he comes
onscreen. But for the love of all that is holy, do we have to watch him
all the time?! Maybe it wouldn't be so bad if the storyline were
better... Austin the Weasel and sledgehammers..... Good grief...
I'd like to see more of Test, Jericho and Molly Holly.

WWF Has sucked for a very long long time. They have a couple guys that are ok.
but for the most part they blow the big banana. really blows now with no Kat,
Litas nice looking from the chest down, And the storylines to many of them and
to less action.

These may as well be tweets from yesterday.

There's always going to be morons and morons with agendas... Stupidity can be traced all the way back
to Biblical times. I'm sure their are fans of the Golden State Warriors or New England Patriots that whine
and bitch about stuff.

For the most part most people loved the Golden Era, New Generation and Attitude Era. I mean just look
at the ratings from then till now.

I'm sure those morons from back then are pining for those days on their twitter or Instagram.

[bestnamezRtaken]

Companies spend millions of dollars trying to figure out what their customers want. I dont think it's as easy as you're letting on. Especially when it comes to wrestling fans, who turn against something the second they think authority figures are behind it.

QFT. It's actually crazy that people think booking wrestling is "easy" when in reality, it's not. Sure, it's easy to say what you think should happen but you're only going by what you want, not what's best for business. The internet is a great place to talk a big game when it comes to the wrestling business.

[daoneandonly]

Companies spend millions of dollars trying to figure out what their customers want. I dont think it's as easy as you're letting on. Especially when it comes to wrestling fans, who turn against something the second they think authority figures are behind it.

QFT. It's actually crazy that people think booking wrestling is "easy" when in reality, it's not. Sure, it's easy to say what you think should happen but you're only going by what you want, not what's best for business. The internet is a great place to talk a big game when it comes to the wrestling business.

This is true, but there is the part where there are certain wrestlers who just bring nothing to the table, yet they take up air time and hence drag down the product quality. I'm talking about the likes of Natalya, Nia Jax, Jinder Mahal, etc.

Then you have instances where guys like Bobby Lashley, EC3, and Matt hardy proved they could be money characters elsewhere, and aren't allowed to showcase those very skills in WWE.