3-way Breakdown

[JD45]

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Harris has only made 25 3's this year (35.7%). That's what, 1 every 2 games? Maybe he just doesn't get a large volume of shots out there. The problem is, its eerily similar to Outlaw, 22 made 3's (44%). I don't know if those two don't have the confidence or what, but it seems like a negative to me.

I didn't mean to claim Harris is a 3pt marksman. I was just clarifying the original post's assertion that his FG% was improving. His overall FG% has been at the same high level for the last 3 years. The only difference this year is that this year, his 3pt% is higher.

Harris always prefers to drive to the basket. His 3pt shot is just to set up the drive. So instead of taking a contested 3pt shot, he will drive. He only shoots 3s if he is wide open or the clock is running out. Otherwise, he will attempt to take it to the rim.

[magee]

If Bass is in the deal, then where do I sign? He's a great compliment to Aldridge and Oden. He has a vastly underrated jump shot. he's a good shot blocker and attacks the rim on both ends of the floor. He's cheap, too. I'd rather see Webster, a 2nd rounder, McRoberts and the rights to either Koponen or Freeland go instead of Outlaw. Although Frye is playing very good recently, he's not being used in the post. When he is, he's still uncomfortable. Outlaw is progressing to the point where he can officially be a small forward. He plays power forward because Nate wants to get James Jones and Webster on the floor to space the defenders so Roy has somewhere to drive.

We'll see. I wonder how picks are gonna be involved.

[glide22]

1. I really like Outlaw, and would prefer to not include him in the deal.

2. HOWEVER: We tend to overvalue our own players (myself included). Realistically, Travis is probably not a top 20 small forward, top 20 power forward, or top 40 forward overall. (it's tough, because he's a tweener).

Meanwhile, Harris might be in the back end of the top 10 point guards in the league. (I'm sure some will argue it, but personally I put him around 9th or 10th, behind Paul, Nash, Williams, Kidd, Parker, Davis, and Billups...also behind shoot-first, quasi-PGs Arenas and Iverson, and note he's third youngest on that list).

Harris can also do one thing that most players can't do: defend the best guards in the league. That's huge when you consider that almost all the top guards are out west.

My position: Make it happen. Try to keep Outlaw. If not, try to keep Channing so we can still have some front court depth when all this is done.

[TBpup]

1. I really like Outlaw, and would prefer to not include him in the deal.

2. HOWEVER: We tend to overvalue our own players (myself included). Realistically, Travis is probably not a top 20 small forward, top 20 power forward, or top 40 forward overall. (it's tough, because he's a tweener).

Meanwhile, Harris might be in the back end of the top 10 point guards in the league.

Glide22....great points. I like Outlaw to and he has some unique skills. However, it's getting to the point of converting quantity to quality which I think Harris would do. Of course Paul would be better but you don't know if you can get him.

Oden (top 10 center who will improve)
Aldridge (top 10 PF)
Outlaw (top 10 tweener)
Webster (not even close)
Roy (top 10 SG and getting better)
Blake/Jack (please)
Harris (close to top 10 and climbing)

If Harris is the best player involved in giving up a couple of other players, you do it unless you have something better lined up.

[Billy]

The more this is talked about the more and more I keep hoping something happens. In a lot of ways this seems like an ideal way to convert some quantity into quality while ensuring that you go forward with a very very strong core.

It sure would be nice to have a "Big 4"

[Spykes]

The more this is talked about the more and more I keep hoping something happens. In a lot of ways this seems like an ideal way to convert some quantity into quality while ensuring that you go forward with a very very strong core.

It sure would be nice to have a "Big 4"

I'm starting to really like this idea as well. I still don't know if I'm at the point where I'd offer up Travis, but I would really love to grab Harris as our PG for the future. He's kinda like a defensive Tony Parker, something both Nate and KP would naturally love.

[Discovery69]

I would be surprised if the Blazer make a trade now, unless they feel serious about making a run in the playoffs this season.

Pritchard has said in last month he doesn't like to make trades in the middle of the season. Most of trading or bringing on new players is done at draft time and free agency. He is not contacting anyone for trades, but has been approached many times as the trade deadline of offers that could help the Blazers.

Pritchard trades are based on the major goal of:
1) Acquiring players that will improve the Blazers ability to have many championship runs in the next 2-3 years with the core group of Roy, Oden and LaMarcus.

That includes freeing up cap space for free agency in '09 (i.e. Chris Paul) and '10 (i.e. LeBron James, Dwayne Wade, Chris Paul).

We all know about chemistry is key to the Blazers winning this year.

Pritchard was asked on KFXX what players are his top five / franchise players and he mentioned the big three. Followed by Travis Outlaw and Sergio Rodriquez. Pritchard is looking for Sergio to help with Rudy Fernandez to spin up quickly in the NBA. Sergio is also Paul Allen's favorite and was the one who said to draft Sergio two years ago when he paid Phoenix for the draft pick. Pritchard has said Travis is only 23 and the coaches say Travis could be a special player in the NBA in the next 2 years.

OK, so the big if this trade was too happen then it will probably include Martell instead of Travis....

Jason Kidd & Martell Webster to Dallas
Jarrett Jack, Channing Frye, Taureen Green, Erick Dampier & Jerry Stackhouse to New Jersey
Devin Harris, Josh Boone & Dallas '08 1st conditional to Portland

Harris, Roy, Outlaw, Aldridge, Przybilla
Rodriguez, Blake, Jones, Miles, Boone

{Yes, Miles, Blazers want to get Miles some playing time before the season ends so they can trade him this summer}

[Mr Odd]

Some Mavs fans want Harris over Kidd, so that should tell
a little of Devin right there. Personally I think Kidd is a better
fit for the Mavs just because the Mavs need to win soon and
Kidd will likely help them do that more then Harris. Mavs are
getting a little up there in age, so they need to go for it all now.

[waverider]

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I feel the same way. I am really surprised that Dallas might really be cosnidering trading Harris, but if they are we have to take a very hard look at making a reasonable play for him. Now that I'm getting my hopes up I'm sure nothing will happen..LOL

[Billy]

Disco! Thanks for chiming in. Seems like from what's been said here that Outlaw is off limits and in the unlikely event that the trade goes down it will most likely not include him.

[Mr Odd]

Yikes, I just now checked the $$$ on the contracts
from TBs players named, big gaps, but I know you
said that filler is needed. I just cant get anything
that Dallas would want to give up to make it work.

Raef helps us in matching up NJs giant $$$, but
Dallas just has Dampier & they wont trade him.

[Billy]

Yikes, I just now checked the $$$ on the contracts
from TBs players named, big gaps, but I know you
said that filler is needed. I just cant get anything
that Dallas would want to give up to make it work.

Raef helps us in matching up NJs giant $$$, but
Dallas just has Dampier & they wont trade him.

Keith VanHorn's contract apparently is still tradeable...

[southnc]

c- Przybilla, ?
pf- Aldridge, Outlaw, Bass
sf- Jones, ?
sg- Roy, ?
pg- Harris, Blake, Sergio

With that line-up, McBob lovers would see a reapperance immediately!

I think as Travis continues to develop, he will have more and more SF skills. He is taking people off the dribble more and can just elevate over other SF's. Also his passing is markedly improved....he drove and found a wide-open Blake in the corner whose '3' was just in and out. He is making much better decision from a passing standpoint and while he needs to work on his handle, is getting better there also.

Rudy is not a SF...too short, too light. But I like the future options if a possible deal went down.

Oden/Przybilla/Aldridge
Aldridge/Outlaw/Bass/McBob
Jones/Outlaw
Roy/Rudy
Harris/Sergio/Blake

That is a tighter rotation and I think eventually Sergio moves ahead of Blake. Aldridge and Outlaw can both play two spots and Harris could play off of Roy as well.

After watching Sergio play last night, he'll never move ahead of a cheerleader. He is flat out terrible. He (and Jack) probably cost the Blazers the game last night. Did you check the +/-? Blake led the team with a +8; Segio was in negative territory. I would bench Sergio to give this team an honest chance at the playoffs.

[Mr Odd]

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Keith VanHorn's contract apparently is still tradeable...

If thats true, then thats 15.6m I believe.

NJ aswell as the Blazers still have aways to go.. .

48.0m LaFrentz
11.5m Webster
9.6m Frye
4.7m Jack
73.8m total

26.1m Stack
15.4m Harris
3.0m Bass
15.6m VanHorn
60.1m total

76.1m Kidd
6.5m Wright
3.0m Armstrong
85.6m total

(sorry if my math is off, I did it quickly)

I really would love to get this deal done
if Outlaw wasnt involved but I just dont
see it how it can happen within reason.

[Ripcity4life]

EASY to BREAKDOWN :


TRADE IS COMPLETE GARBAGE (BtW Clean Version)



Next Trade Rumor please.

[SoHo]

Like I posted yesterday in the other thread there are certainly some reasons to consider this trade.

Harris deserves some credit. As far as young PGs go he is certainly one of the up and coming forces. He has the ability to be an elite player for our team, something we aren't going to find easily. In this draft at the PG position there are two great prospects Rose and Bayless. (I don't think Mayo or Gordon are close to point guards at this point). But we aren't really in the territory to get either of those players. In short what I mean to say is that the chance that we are going to land a PG better than Harris is very very small. For the record the chance of landing a great PG in 09 also seems very small.

This trade also makes sense in order to condense our roster. We have a ten man rotation right now and that depth is winning us games, but next year we're looking to add two more rotation players (not including our pick!), which means there won't be close to enough time for everyone. We have to deal eventually so why not before we have to worry about trying to get 13 guys time?

For those reasons I think it is a pretty legit deal. I wish we knew more details, but right now it sure seems like Webster fits better in this deal. Monetarily he is a LOT easier to trade than Outlaw, and the deal that has been alluded to requires us to include Sergio to make up or that money difference created by Outlaw's BYC. I'm betting that was the breaking point for KP.

In general I'd like to see a trade like this go down. I think it really benefits us in the long term and that's what we're looking for. On top of that you have to give some to get some. I'd hate to lose Outlaw or Webster, but when it comes right down to it if everything else fits I'd consider giving one of them up. I'm confident KP will make the right decision and if these teams find a way to make the contracts work with the talent it'll be interesting to see what KP decides.

[Mr Odd]

They said on TNT the reported 3 way is now dead.
They said that David Aldridge reported that.. .

[Spykes]

They said on TNT the reported 3 way is now dead.
They said that David Aldridge reported that.. .

Can't say I'm terribly surprised.

[Yadadimean]

NJ wanted too much...oh well. It was a nice idea while it lasted.

[Fitz303]

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Keith VanHorn's contract apparently is still tradeable...

If thats true, then thats 15.6m I believe.

NJ aswell as the Blazers still have aways to go.. .

48.0m LaFrentz
11.5m Webster
9.6m Frye
4.7m Jack
73.8m total

26.1m Stack
15.4m Harris
3.0m Bass
15.6m VanHorn
60.1m total

76.1m Kidd
6.5m Wright
3.0m Armstrong
85.6m total

(sorry if my math is off, I did it quickly)

I really would love to get this deal done
if Outlaw wasnt involved but I just dont
see it how it can happen within reason.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &te=&cash=

Switch out Dampiers contract with Van Horn ($13,279,000). If theres a slight change needed for the difference, add in a combo of wright, allen, armstrong heading back to Dallas and it all works out.

As far as it being dead, it wouldnt surprise me. I hope theyre reporting that and it picks back up as the deadline nears and Harris is closer to being back (which both happen to be about 3 weeks). I doubt it happens, but Harris would probably be my 3rd option as a PG for the future of this team behind Paul, and Williams.. Statistics be damned, he would be an unbelievable fit on this team, with the ability to get to the hoop, the defense, and the character. (but dont give up outlaw KP)