Grant Trade?

[Tim Lehrbach]

Grant may be Portland’s best current player, but he’d be 3rd on the Lakers. How many 3rd best on a team are better than Grant? AND how many could the Lakers get without giving up 2 1st rounders? And the role players on the Lakers are WHY they’re looking at Kuzma (a modest improvement from a BAD team), others and Grant — an actual improvement.

Let them eat static. The Lakers have to improve to have a reasonable shot, and everyone in the League knows it. The Warriors lose Klay, but they actually made nice pick-ups.

This is fair. It probably sounds like I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth, but I do believe both that (1) Grant can't fetch a great return (e.g., two first round picks or a lightly-protected single first) and (2) the Blazers should just keep him in that case. I agree that there's no reason to hand him over to LA. If they won't pay a nice price, don't trade him there. It's just, I don't think they will pony up.

I agree that Golden State made some shrewd moves this summer!

[PDXKnight]

Grant may be Portland’s best current player, but he’d be 3rd on the Lakers. How many 3rd best on a team are better than Grant? AND how many could the Lakers get without giving up 2 1st rounders? And the role players on the Lakers are WHY they’re looking at Kuzma (a modest improvement from a BAD team), others and Grant — an actual improvement.

Let them eat static. The Lakers have to improve to have a reasonable shot, and everyone in the League knows it. The Warriors lose Klay, but they actually made nice pick-ups.

This is fair. It probably sounds like I'm talking out of both sides of my mouth, but I do believe both that (1) Grant can't fetch a great return (e.g., two first round picks or a lightly-protected single first) and (2) the Blazers should just keep him in that case. I agree that there's no reason to hand him over to LA. If they won't pay a nice price, don't trade him there. It's just, I don't think they will pony up.

I agree that Golden State made some shrewd moves this summer!

Honestly a lightly protected first plus potentially another piece is close in my eyes especially if we get some form of expiring contract(s) as well. I get to some that may not be enough but I'm not a huge fan of grants game necessarily as I think he shoots too much and isn't good enough for his volume. I do think if he had 2 better players as he would in LA he'd do better as he wouldn't be in the position of playing iso ball nearly as much. I think his best days in terms of sheer impact were in okc when he played off ball

[red_power]

Portland is selling high in a tight market for buyers … especially the Lakers. Grants fits their needs and timeline.

Exactly. I think the only reason Grant is still on this team's roster is a fact that the FO has not been blown away with actual offers yet. It's pretty much the same thing Cronin did the last year with Dame talks, when he got a crappy Miami's offer and then simply started to delay the move, until a falling behind Milwaukee team had raised the price tag to the reasonable level.

[Tim Lehrbach]

We've shared a lot of ideas and discussed rumors, but I'm curious to get an update on people's predictions for a Grant trade. I sense others are more optimistic than I am about pulling a nice return.

Here's mine: Portland can't get a first round pick for him (at least not one that is better than a "pretend" first round pick that converts to seconds or never conveys) and refuses to dump him for less, so he stays in Portland through this upcoming season.

What say y'all?

[Pattycakes]

I say Lakers pony up an unprotected first plus Rui/filler.

Rui serves both our new option to start at 4 as well as likely worth a first himself at some point in the future if we ever wanted to flip him. But he honestly fits our existing core pretty well imo.

[PDXKnight]

We've shared a lot of ideas and discussed rumors, but I'm curious to get an update on people's predictions for a Grant trade. I sense others are more optimistic than I am about pulling a nice return.

Here's mine: Portland can't get a first round pick for him (at least not one that is better than a "pretend" first round pick that converts to seconds or never conveys) and refuses to dump him for less, so he stays in Portland through this upcoming season.

What say y'all?

I think we get a deal done with LA once we come to terms with Grant not being worth a whole lot more than we paid to get him. I think we get a top 3-5 protected first or a couple lotto protected firsts but either way there will be protection unless it's a bigger deal involving Ant

I also think there's a possibility of a dark horse arising but I'm not sure who it would be at this point. Houston feels like a maybe as does Miami/ Philly/Cleveland. But I haven't looked at salary and whether it's plausible financially

[Walton1one]

Lot of smoke in the media about Grant to LAL deal, just keeps popping up. Which to me, indicates that there are possibly some ongoing discussions occurring. Just seems Cronin\Pelinka need to find some common ground.

Pelinka probably starting from no picks in deal (laughable),
Cronin probably starting from (2) 1st round picks in deal (also laughable).

Seems to me the deal should be (1) 1st + some added value back to POR depending on who is in the deal.

The bones of the deal seem to center around Rui + (1) 1st. From there, there are multiple permeations that would alter the + added value that POR would receive in addition to the 1st, and of course any protections past Top 3 on said 1st mean extra value needs to be included back to POR as well to offset.

It has been repeated a few times now, POR disinterest in D'Angelo Russell, so probably not a deal centering around him. That narrows the options a little

1) Grant for Rui, Vanderbilt, Reddish + (1) 1st
2) Grant for Rui, Vincent, Reddish + (1) 1st
3) Grant, Walker, Banton & Reath for Rui, Vanderbilt, Vincent + (1) 1st
4) Grant, Thybulle for Rui, Vanderbilt, Vincent, Reddish + (1) 1st
* 3rd player could be Reddish\Wood or Hayes.

To me, this boils down to the compromise\value POR receives for taking back (1) 1st instead of (2).

Personally, I would take a Rui + whatever + 1st (must have no\light (top 3) protections) back, but unless Pelinka is just flat out refusing to include a 1st or only offering a lottery protected (or worse) protections on that 1st then the hold up seems to be coming from Cronin.

[Jkam31]

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Kings fan here.. I like this usually when we are linked to a guy on a team we are actually looking at someone else on the team. To me this means we’re looking at Grant and hopefully we get something done before the season starts

[Butter]

If multiple teams are expressing interest, maybe this thing can finally start making progress.

[Jammer]

If you guys take a pick with ANY PROTECTION FROM THE LAKERS (i.e. TOP 1 protected) you're making a huge mistake.

The reason the Lakers are having trouble trading, besides having players no one wants, is they keep trying to trade Top 4 Protected Picks.

They may be planning to bottom out after LeBron retires, trade Anthony Davis, and collect some Top of the Draft Assets like they did when they had 3 consecutive #2 picks after the 2009-2010 Champioship window came to an end and they didn't even have to send a 1rst Round Pick out because it was Top 4 Protected for 3 or 4 years while they drafted Brandon Ingram, DeAngelo Russell and Lonzo Ball. And in case you forgot how they got three consecutive #2 Picks, they carefully made sure they bottomed out so if 2 teams leaped them in the lottery they'd still keep their Top 4 Protected Pick.

And they made sure they bottomed because players from their Long Beach G-League team (might have been D-League back then) were soaking up plenty of minutes, especially over the last 20 games of the season.

[Wizenheimer]

We've shared a lot of ideas and discussed rumors, but I'm curious to get an update on people's predictions for a Grant trade. I sense others are more optimistic than I am about pulling a nice return.

Here's mine: Portland can't get a first round pick for him (at least not one that is better than a "pretend" first round pick that converts to seconds or never conveys) and refuses to dump him for less, so he stays in Portland through this upcoming season.

What say y'all?

I'd be mildly surprised if Grant is traded because I think Cronin is demanding prices for his vets no team would ever consider. Sure I could be wrong but we sure have heard a lot of rumors about 'Cronin demanding two 1sts for Grant'

I think part of that demand might be due to some after-trade sticker shock about how much Cronin gave up for Avdija and he's trying to compensate. The Blazers' institutional memory has some recency bias against giving up two first's for Robert Covington; and the two first's the Blazers gave up for Avdija could end up much higher in the draft than those for Covington; plus, the Blazers also traded their 2028 & 2030 2nd round picks.

as soon as I heard Cronin was demanding two first's for Grant I figured the Laker trade was DOA because of the Laker's future pick limitations and their 2nd apron issue

[Walton1one]

Kings fan here.. I like this usually when we are linked to a guy on a team we are actually looking at someone else on the team. To me this means we’re looking at Grant and hopefully we get something done before the season starts

I proposed a deal with SAC a while back that I think would make sense

Grant for Huerter, Lyles & 1st round pick. I could see POR adding another player like Reath\Walker or Banton into the deal if SAC had interest

Reath could be a good b\u center
Walker a good/younger b\u forward
Banton has only $217k of his deal guaranteed, if waived before the 1st game of the season.

[Walton1one]

As for a deal w\SAC for Williams, I wonder if this would be some sort of depth package like deal that was mentioned earlier? Where POR sends (3) players out, one of which is Williams and gets Huerter back + a 1st round pick?

Something along the lines of:

Williams\Walker\Banton for Huerter & a 1st

OR maybe more intriguing:

Williams\Thybulle\Banton (and\or Walker) for Huerter, Lyles + 1st

[Jkam31]

Kings fan here.. I like this usually when we are linked to a guy on a team we are actually looking at someone else on the team. To me this means we’re looking at Grant and hopefully we get something done before the season starts

I proposed a deal with SAC a while back that I think would make sense

Grant for Huerter, Lyles & 1st round pick. I could see POR adding another player like Reath\Walker or Banton into the deal if SAC had interest

Reath could be a good b\u center
Walker a good/younger b\u forward
Banton has only $217k of his deal guaranteed, if waived before the 1st game of the season.

I would be shocked and angered if we didn’t take that deal but there’s no way Monte will give up two firsts for that contract so hopefully that part isn’t true

[Jkam31]

As for a deal w\SAC for Williams, I wonder if this would be some sort of depth package like deal that was mentioned earlier? Where POR sends (3) players out, one of which is Williams and gets Huerter back + a 1st round pick?

Something along the lines of:

Williams\Walker\Banton for Huerter & a 1st

OR maybe more intriguing:

Williams\Thybulle\Banton (and\or Walker) for Huerter, Lyles + 1st

Huerter and a first is our last move we can make zero change it’s made for a guy like Williams

[zzaj]

We've shared a lot of ideas and discussed rumors, but I'm curious to get an update on people's predictions for a Grant trade. I sense others are more optimistic than I am about pulling a nice return.

Here's mine: Portland can't get a first round pick for him (at least not one that is better than a "pretend" first round pick that converts to seconds or never conveys) and refuses to dump him for less, so he stays in Portland through this upcoming season.

What say y'all?

I predict Grant will be the starting PF and will be traded at the deadline for a 1st, a 2nd and salary.

[PDXKnight]

I wonder in regards to Grant if we get our firsts but also need to take similarly bad salary to compensate for that difference in draft compensation

[Pattycakes]

Screw any protections whatsoever. We already let Miami try to make a joke out of us w their offers, let’s not do that again. One pick? Def gotta be unprotected

[Butter]

If you guys take a pick with ANY PROTECTION FROM THE LAKERS (i.e. TOP 1 protected) you're making a huge mistake.

The reason the Lakers are having trouble trading, besides having players no one wants, is they keep trying to trade Top 4 Protected Picks.

They may be planning to bottom out after LeBron retires, trade Anthony Davis, and collect some Top of the Draft Assets like they did when they had 3 consecutive #2 picks after the 2009-2010 Champioship window came to an end and they didn't even have to send a 1rst Round Pick out because it was Top 4 Protected for 3 or 4 years while they drafted Brandon Ingram, DeAngelo Russell and Lonzo Ball. And in case you forgot how they got three consecutive #2 Picks, they carefully made sure they bottomed out so if 2 teams leaped them in the lottery they'd still keep their Top 4 Protected Pick.

And they made sure they bottomed because players from their Long Beach G-League team (might have been D-League back then) were soaking up plenty of minutes, especially over the last 20 games of the season.

Last year when Miami was trying to strong arm Cronin, he rope-a-doped Riley with a Lillard trade no one saw coming.

As you mentioned, the Lakers picks are appealing if they bottom out. BUT, if Pelinka tries to play silly games with protections, I think Cronin will find other options again.

[Norm2953]

Let's see if this finally gets done when Lebron returns from the Olympics and he tells the
Lakers to get this done. The Spurs took an unprotected pick in 2031 and a swap for 2030
for the eighth pick in this draft. Lakers can cough up a 2031 FRP unprotected if Portland
has to take whatever filler is needed to make a Grant trade legal

Lakers are a destination city and will never bottom out to where they need to worry about
protection on their picks.