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Re: Chris Sheridan: trade Cousins to the Celtics in January? 

Post#141 » by Afam » Tue Jan 8, 2013 7:38 am

SacTown Kings wrote:Every situation is different some teams haven't gotten much for their star player and other teams have. I think the Orlando situation was totally different and not comparable. Anyways rumors have it that the Pistons would give up Monroe, I know a lot of their fans are on board with that and rumors also said the Bobcats offer seemed to good for Sacto to pass up. Not sure what that means but it sounds like it's better than Bradley and Sully. But it's just dumb to debate all this when the Kings have said over and over DMC is not going anywhere.


Fair enough but no G'm is going to admit to ever looking to trade a player never. Look at Rondo, Danny Ainge has shopped him so many times, that people have lost count. The minute you admit to looking to trade a player, his value drops immediately and you lose leverage. The kings front office are playing their cards right so far.
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Re: Chris Sheridan: trade Cousins to the Celtics in January? 

Post#142 » by beb0p » Tue Jan 8, 2013 10:28 am

EEasyA wrote:Fair enough but no G'm is going to admit to ever looking to trade a player never. Look at Rondo, Danny Ainge has shopped him so many times, that people have lost count. The minute you admit to looking to trade a player, his value drops immediately and you lose leverage. The kings front office are playing their cards right so far.


That's simply not true. The Sixers have been trying to trade Iguodala for years and got a franchise center in exchange. Now that franchise center turns out to be an idiot but you get the point. Same with Carmelo, Eddy Curry, etc - admitting that a player is on the market does not automatically means that player's value plummet. In some cases, it can generate a bidding war - like Dwight Howard. Players from Brook Lopez to Bynum to Kyle Lowry was offered for Dwight. It's not whether a teams openly put a guy on the block, it's how many teams want that player - the demand side drives the value, period.

You seem to consistently forget that Magic could have quite a few very good players if it weren't for the fact that Howard insist on not going to 28 teams in the NBA. The reason why the Lakers got such a lopsided trade is because Howard refused to be traded anywhere else. There is of course no such Bostonian love from Cousins.
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Re: Chris Sheridan: trade Cousins to the Celtics in January? 

Post#143 » by Afam » Tue Jan 8, 2013 12:08 pm

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EEasyA wrote:Fair enough but no G'm is going to admit to ever looking to trade a player never. Look at Rondo, Danny Ainge has shopped him so many times, that people have lost count. The minute you admit to looking to trade a player, his value drops immediately and you lose leverage. The kings front office are playing their cards right so far.


That's simply not true. The Sixers have been trying to trade Iguodala for years and got a franchise center in exchange. Now that franchise center turns out to be an idiot but you get the point. Same with Carmelo, Eddy Curry, etc - admitting that a player is on the market does not automatically means that player's value plummet. In some cases, it can generate a bidding war - like Dwight Howard. Players from Brook Lopez to Bynum to Kyle Lowry was offered for Dwight. It's not whether a teams openly put a guy on the block, it's how many teams want that player - the demand side drives the value, period.

You seem to consistently forget that Magic could have quite a few very good players if it weren't for the fact that Howard insist on not going to 28 teams in the NBA. The reason why the Lakers got such a lopsided trade is because Howard refused to be traded anywhere else. There is of course no such Bostonian love from Cousins.


I was talking about Petrie openly saying we are trading Cousins, For Example, Sports reporter Wojo approaching Petrie and asking him are you trading Cousins. His answer is always going to be No or no comment. If he says yes, he loses the player or the locker room. I wasn't talking about fair value assets you get when trading a star player. I agree with you should get close to equal value. However, I do disagree with your assertion that Cousins doesn't want to play here. You don't know that for a fact, for all we know his agent could be requesting for a trade to boston and Cousins and Rondo are Friends.
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Re: Chris Sheridan: trade Cousins to the Celtics in January? 

Post#144 » by boogie-reke » Tue Jan 8, 2013 12:34 pm

If that's how it goes - then I say you guys want to trade Rondo, with all the problems and suspensions he's getting.

I know Danny Ainge might say that's not true or say 'no comment', but he's obviously lying - I mean he can't really say in public that he wants to trade him, right? he has to deny on the surface, but we know he wants to trade him cause I say so.

And I know he probably rejected trade offers for him too and doesn't accept calls from other teams, but I mean, obviously he's trying to gain more leverage and waits for the right time to pull the trigger and trade him away.

DeMarcus and Rondo are good friends too, both from Kentucky and all - so there's a very good reason to believe that Rondo being the headcase that he is will be moved, and it's even more likely that it's gonna be to Sacramento, to play with DeMarcus.

Thomas Robinson, Jimmer, Travis Outlaw and Tyler Honeycutt for Rondo?

I mean when you think about it, we're practically doing you guys a favor here taking him off your hands, while giving you a nice set of players in return - T-Robb is a potential 3nd team all-rookie, Jimmer is a potential 3pt shooting contest winner, Tyler Honeycutt and Travis Outlaw are both elite towel waivers on the bench and can really light it up for your D-League affiliate when they're sent down there.

I like Aaron Brooks alot and would hate to lose him, but if he's the hold up then I think I can find it within myself to include him in the deal aswell. I mean, when you have a chance to grab a PG at the caliber on Rajon Rondo, you just gotta pull the trigger right?
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Re: Chris Sheridan: trade Cousins to the Celtics in January? 

Post#145 » by Afam » Tue Jan 8, 2013 2:44 pm

boogie-reke wrote:If that's how it goes - then I say you guys want to trade Rondo, with all the problems and suspensions he's getting.

I know Danny Ainge might say that's not true or say 'no comment', but he's obviously lying - I mean he can't really say in public that he wants to trade him, right? he has to deny on the surface, but we know he wants to trade him cause I say so.

And I know he probably rejected trade offers for him too and doesn't accept calls from other teams, but I mean, obviously he's trying to gain more leverage and waits for the right time to pull the trigger and trade him away.

DeMarcus and Rondo are good friends too, both from Kentucky and all - so there's a very good reason to believe that Rondo being the headcase that he is will be moved, and it's even more likely that it's gonna be to Sacramento, to play with DeMarcus.

Thomas Robinson, Jimmer, Travis Outlaw and Tyler Honeycutt for Rondo?

I mean when you think about it, we're practically doing you guys a favor here taking him off your hands, while giving you a nice set of players in return - T-Robb is a potential 3nd team all-rookie, Jimmer is a potential 3pt shooting contest winner, Tyler Honeycutt and Travis Outlaw are both elite towel waivers on the bench and can really light it up for your D-League affiliate when they're sent down there.

I like Aaron Brooks alot and would hate to lose him, but if he's the hold up then I think I can find it within myself to include him in the deal aswell. I mean, when you have a chance to grab a PG at the caliber on Rajon Rondo, you just gotta pull the trigger right?


I would definitely do Tyeke and Cousins for Rondo. I try and flip Tyeke to the Raptors for Lowry.

I'm not debating anymore. You guys can keep Cousins. I wasn't denying anything. I simply said you don't get fair value for trading a superstar but i did agree with a poster who wanted fair value for him.
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Re: Chris Sheridan: trade Cousins to the Celtics in January? 

Post#146 » by beb0p » Tue Jan 8, 2013 4:35 pm

EEasyA wrote:I would definitely do Tyeke and Cousins for Rondo. I try and flip Tyeke to the Raptors for Lowry.


And I definitely would trade Tyreke for Lebron James and Chris Bosh.

It's not going to happen.
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Re: Chris Sheridan: trade Cousins to the Celtics in January? 

Post#147 » by beb0p » Tue Jan 8, 2013 4:52 pm

EEasyA wrote:I was talking about Petrie openly saying we are trading Cousins, For Example, Sports reporter Wojo approaching Petrie and asking him are you trading Cousins. His answer is always going to be No or no comment. If he says yes, he loses the player or the locker room. I wasn't talking about fair value assets you get when trading a star player. I agree with you should get close to equal value. However, I do disagree with your assertion that Cousins doesn't want to play here.


You seem to not understand the nuisance of player management. A GM usually do not openly deny that a player is on the block if he intends to trade him. He keeps quiet. He say things like he still believe in so and so. A GM usually do not say one thing to the media and then a few weeks later do the complete opposite because it reflects badly on that GM and other players will start to question whether he means what he say. You said so yourself but then the next sentence you contradicted yourself.

You tend to backpedal and deny what you wrote just a couple post prior when it's right there in black and white. Of course you were talking about fair value for Cousins, you were using Dwight Howard as an example that a good player doesn't always get fair value in return. So of course you said it and I don't understand why you are now denying you wrote it. This kind of action is exactly what GMs tend not to do. They usually do not backpedal like you do and when they come out and explicitly say that a player is not on the block you can pretty much take it to the bank. Like I said, if a player is being shopped, the FO keeps quiet, they usually do not so openly deny it. This is what you dont' seem to get, You seem to think GMs act like you do.

EEasyA wrote:You don't know that for a fact, for all we know his agent could be requesting for a trade to boston and Cousins and Rondo are Friends.


For all we Rondo hates Boston and want to come play for Sacramento and Kate Upton has a crush on me. Dude, let's skip this childish day dreaming shall we? What reason does Cousin has to want to go to Boston? No offense, but your team is old, your PG is emotionally challenged, your team is on the decline, and what little pieces your team will have left does not compliment Cousins. If you are Demarcus Cousins, would you fight tooth and nail to play for Boston?
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Re: Chris Sheridan: trade Cousins to the Celtics in January? 

Post#148 » by Sacramento_King » Tue Jan 8, 2013 4:55 pm

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EEasyA wrote:I would definitely do Tyeke and Cousins for Rondo. I try and flip Tyeke to the Raptors for Lowry.


And I definitely would trade Tyreke for Lebron James and Chris Bosh.

It's not going to happen.



And then we could flip Lebron for Bradley and Sullinger. Nice

As much as we suck, our GM and ownership are cheap and stay in Sac is uncertain, DMC isn't getting moved. A cheap, talented big man who at times can dominate isn't being moved for a package of spare parts unfortunately. We are better to wait it out, finish out the deal and let him leave or S & T him rather than take back a package that doesn't help our team. I am at the point now where I wouldnt deal him for Rondo and I love Rondo's game, holes and all. We need to figure out Thornton and Reke's situation and add pieces to complement what has been working lately and try fix our deficiencies.
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Re: Chris Sheridan: trade Cousins to the Celtics in January? 

Post#149 » by Sacramento_King » Tue Jan 8, 2013 6:34 pm

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/nba/ne ... &eref=sihp

Among those that didn't give him a chance, Cousins said, was his own organization. The Kings tabbed Cousins with the fifth pick in the 2010 draft but, in his mind, have never made an effort to get to know him.

"They wanted to get to know me but they were scared because of my reputation," Cousins said. "I felt like it was bad on their part. I'm your player and you don't take the time to get to know me? You just go by what the rest of the world says?"

And now?

"No, I'm still not [given a chance]," Cousins said. "It flip flops. When everything is good, [the organization] is good. When things go bad, there is nothing about that good person they remember. I just want that balance. You are either with me or you're not."


Another quote from article:

Despite recently hiring high-powered agent Dan Fegan -- who has made a living extricating players from difficult situations -- Cousins maintains he wants to stay in Sacramento. He talks about the talented Kings teams of the 1990s, teams led by Chris Webber and Mike Bibby and says he wants to be part of restoring that level of success.

"That's like a trophy to me," Cousins said. "Taking a team no players really want to go to, a team considered the worst in the league, and through all the struggle and all the negativity, they found the way to win. I want to put Sacramento back on the map. I want to be an instrumental part of things changing here."



A couple pieces from article. He says he hasn't gotten a fair shot and the Kings are scared to get to know him. The guy is a complete clown but he does say he wants to stay in Sac and turn around Sac's rep.

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