Kings Off-Season

[kalenclayton]

Rockets already offered 4/60 to Capela? It’s over on that front too..

Dude, Capela was never an option for this team and would have been a terrible signing. We would have had like 7 centers on the team.

Capela was only an option at the draft when Doncic was available. That ship sailed when we heard Bagley’s name called.

[codydaze]

Rockets already offered 4/60 to Capela? It’s over on that front too..

Dude, Capela was never an option for this team and would have been a terrible signing. We would have had like 7 centers on the team.

Capela was only an option at the draft when Doncic was available. That ship sailed when we heard Bagley’s name called.

Yup, pretty much this.

[kingjawn100]

Back from Vegas...couple observations

1.Obviously there's a lot of negativity regarding the Bagley pick right now. To me one of the biggest questions entering this season: if Bagley looks bad the first couple weeks will the Kings keep giving him significant minutes to help his development when it also may mean us losing games? If he can't hit shots from outside 5 feet, isn't a huge factor on the glass and continues to struggle on defense how can you start him or play him major minutes as a rookie? It's a tough call because if the #2 overall pick isn't getting much playing time he'll be talked about as a bust all year.

2. One area that actually impressed me with Bagley was his man to man defense. He does a good job staying in front of his man and also contesting shots/shot blocking. Even though he's thin i only really saw him get manhandled once in summer league (by ayton). That being said he's gonna hurt us with defensive IQ. He doesn't seem to understand which man he should defend after a screen is set. He just seems pretty unaware on defense in general except when he's playing straight man to man where he can rely on his athleticism.

3. I'd love to see the Kings simplify Bagley's offensive game for his rookie year. No 3-pointers. Fewer perimeter shots. Just focus on dunks/tip-ins and offensive rebounding. Sure you'd like for him to diversify his game but it may help early on to just have him do the things that have always come easy to him. Like Ayton, Bagley's a guy who, in theory, can do a lot of scoring without actual plays being called for him.

4. As far as Jackson, the hot shooting is nice but i'd love to see him develop some other skills as well. He's not a good defender, not a good distributor and not a factor on the glass. At this point, if his shot is off he literally is no help to us on the basketball court.

5. Like everyone else i loved seeing Giles do well. I'd love it even more if his minutes are closely regulated this year. I'd say around 20-22 minutes per night with him resting the 2nd game of back to backs. We aren't contending for a title this year but could have a great building block for the future if he manages to stay healthy. It can't hurt continuing to be cautious.

6. I'm interested in seeing Harry & WCS play together. These are 2 bigs with perimeter shots that actually look pretty good. Them on the floor together will definitely help our spacing. Harry's such a good passer that he may get willie some open looks inside.

I've been watching Ayton in summer league and they are giving him opportunities to be a finisher. Plenty of lob plays at the rim. That's something they didn't do for Bagley at all. I can understand them trying to develop other things or look at the other stuff but geez, give him something! Last year they let the poor guys suffer for way too long before they let them start playing in a way that was more comfortable for them.

Ayton to me is such a strange/interesting player. He never seems like he plays as hard as you want him to. He doesn't play with a ton of force for a guy his size. He seems to have more of an island mentality than an alpha mentality. And still i could see him averaging 18 & 10 this year pretty easily. He's just so strong and athletic that he'll get a ton of dunks, tip-ins and rebounds.
i could see by year 3 him averaging 24 & 12 and people still be pretty frustrated with him because he could be so much better.

[kingjawn100]

Is it just me or does it seem like every top rookie in summer league outside of Bagley (and trae young at times) has played really well? Ayton, Bamba and Sexton have been good, and JJJ, Wendell Carter, Knox and SGA have all looked unbelievable. Usually at least at few of the top picks struggle in summer league.

With that being said the Kings must be holding their collective breath regarding Bagley. I don't care how well Harry plays..if Bagley looks like a bust this season no one in that front office deserves to come back. Clean house. You just can't have a complete miss in the most important draft in team history. Especially if all the other guys mentioned above + Doncic have good years.

Even 10ppg/7rpg and slightly below average defense from Bagley would be enough to build on. But if he turns into someone you just can't keep on the court at this stage then some jobs should be terminated.

[SacKingZZZ]

Harry has looked good, but it's not like he's gone full superstar or anything. I think we're getting a little ahead of ourselves with his showing. Now the the games matter I want to see him go full beast. If his coaches allow it that is. Bagley had one good game in Sac, and an OK game in Vegas sandwiched by a few terrible games. You can't overlook how he was used. The Kings are starting to play pick and roll. I would have like to see him get some of those play calls, what a waste SL was for him. It doesn't change anything about summer league though, it means almost nothing because they call the game entirely different. I think that alone will help him in his ability to draw contact.

[PetrieUnderstudy]

Per Shams the Kings were strongly pursuing James Ennis before he just decided to sign with Rockets.

[codydaze]

Per Shams the Kings were strongly pursuing James Ennis before he just decided to sign with Rockets.

That's a good sign.

[kalenclayton]

Per Shams the Kings were strongly pursuing James Ennis before he just decided to sign with Rockets.

That's a good sign.

I mean we lost to the Rockets so that is fine. I just hope we have someone lined up soon. I want some action (positive please)!

[codydaze]

Per Shams the Kings were strongly pursuing James Ennis before he just decided to sign with Rockets.

That's a good sign.

I mean we lost to the Rockets so that is fine. I just hope we have someone lined up soon. I want some action (positive please)!

Yeah, at least we're looking in the right direction. I hope we pursue Patrick McCaw, Tyrone Wallace or Wayne Ellington if we can't get either of those two.

[gom]

Hey, Kings fans! Any local word on whether the Kings are going to try for Marcus Smart or Jabari Parker? It's gotten real quiet.

Good luck!

Spoiler:

My mom's a Kings fan and I want to give her good news.

[codydaze]

Hey, Kings fans! Any local word on whether the Kings are going to try for Marcus Smart or Jabari Parker? It's gotten real quiet.

Good luck!

Spoiler:

My mom's a Kings fan and I want to give her good news.

From everything I've read and seen, I think it's very unlikely we sign either of them to an offer sheet. I think it's more likely at this point we trade for some assets while absorbing a bad contract or just filling out the roster and running with what we've got.

[gom]

Hey, Kings fans! Any local word on whether the Kings are going to try for Marcus Smart or Jabari Parker? It's gotten real quiet.

Good luck!

Spoiler:

My mom's a Kings fan and I want to give her good news.

From everything I've read and seen, I think it's very unlikely we sign either of them to an offer sheet. I think it's more likely at this point we trade for some assets while absorbing a bad contract or just filling out the roster and running with what we've got.

Not the best news, but thanks! I hope you guys make some noise this season.

[LightTheBeam]

That's a good sign.

I mean we lost to the Rockets so that is fine. I just hope we have someone lined up soon. I want some action (positive please)!

Yeah, at least we're looking in the right direction. I hope we pursue Patrick McCaw, Tyrone Wallace or Wayne Ellington if we can't get either of those two.

I'm down with McCaw. I remember his first year he stepped in really nicely during the playoffs. Hes still young and has some good length to him.

No thank you on Ellington. 30 year old vet whose an undersized 2... Id rather just give Temple any minutes we would have for him, hes a better defender ball handler IMO. Wallace was nice last year, but hes already 24, (even though last year was his 1st year) not big enough to play SF and doesn't shoot.

I think McCaw, Smart, Nwaba are the 3 guys id be looking at.

Nwaba is interesting because the Bulls haven't resigned him and hes a stellar defender. I think he has some Marcus Smart in him but knows his limitations better. Love to have him around and for probably quarter-half the price.

[PetrieUnderstudy]

Now that SummerLeague is over (for the Kings) the 2 guys I'd like to sign as 2-way players are Zach Auguste and Wenyen Gabriel. They can play in Stockton but I could see Auguste being a contributor in the NBA and Gabriel has some upside. Both provide length and athleticism.

[SacKingZZZ]

Now that SummerLeague is over (for the Kings) the 2 guys I'd like to sign as 2-way players are Zach Auguste and Wenyen Gabriel. They can play in Stockton but I could see Auguste being a contributor in the NBA and Gabriel has some upside. Both provide length and athleticism.

Auguste looked good but I don't see the point. Auguste has a career waiting for him back in the Euros and Wenyen didn't get much of a chance to show anything. I liked Miles when he got the chance, but this SL was more than a tad bit underwhelming.

[City of Trees]

My two way contracts would go to Miles and Gabriel. Im still not a firm believer in Gabriel but his upside is easy to see.

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[Silver Man]

Now that SummerLeague is over (for the Kings) the 2 guys I'd like to sign as 2-way players are Zach Auguste and Wenyen Gabriel. They can play in Stockton but I could see Auguste being a contributor in the NBA and Gabriel has some upside. Both provide length and athleticism.

Still one more game on Friday at 7:00 against the Warriors.

[becorz]

The more I think about how this off-season, and others, have went, I think the Kings need to consider taking on money for the next FA period now. Right now, the Kings are looking to get assets for their cap space for just this year, but teams seem to be willing to wait for the Kings to lower their price or to just pay the luxury tax. I think that some teams might be willing to trade future salary now to jump into the Leonard/Durant/everybody else sweepstakes next offseason.

Take a team like Miami. They are looking at the cap being $108m. Right now they have $117m committed in 2019. They need either $32m (7-10 years played in NBA) or $38m (10+ years) to offer a max contract. Then they have very few salaries committed after that. If they can dump $47m in 2019 salary, they can look at stars. And history shows us Miami likes stars.

What if there was a trade around Kings expiring contracts for Whiteside and Josh Richardson? Maybe add in a WCS for Winslow swap in there. Richardson would be perfect for this team. The Heat dump $37m of 2019 salary and could easily find another $10m elsewhere to get to a max offer.

I am not saying the Kings (Whiteside contract) or the Heat (why make this trade now instead of next offseason) should do that trade. But I do think the Kings should consider taking on 2019 salary now, if it could net them a good player like Richardson.

What do you all think of taking on 2019 salary in a trade like this?

Edit
Other players that currently have two years left at big money are Reggie Jackson, Ian Mahimi, Mason Plumlee, Chandler Parsons, Bismack Biyombo, and Evan Turner. Not saying there teams want to get rid of them, but those are the types of players I would trade for, if I could get a good piece back. Also Deng and Mozgov.

[blind prophet]

The more I think about how this off-season, and others, have went, I think the Kings need to consider taking on money for the next FA period now. Right now, the Kings are looking to get assets for their cap space for just this year, but teams seem to be willing to wait for the Kings to lower their price or to just pay the luxury tax. I think that some teams might be willing to trade future salary now to jump into the Leonard/Durant/everybody else sweepstakes next offseason.

Take a team like Miami. They are looking at the cap being $108m. Right now they have $117m committed in 2019. They need either $32m (7-10 years played in NBA) or $38m (10+ years) to offer a max contract. Then they have very few salaries committed after that. If they can dump $47m in 2019 salary, they can look at stars. And history shows us Miami likes stars.

What if there was a trade around Kings expiring contracts for Whiteside and Josh Richardson? Maybe add in a WCS for Winslow swap in there. Richardson would be perfect for this team. The Heat dump $37m of 2019 salary and could easily find another $10m elsewhere to get to a max offer.

I am not saying the Kings (Whiteside contract) or the Heat (why make this trade now instead of next offseason) should do that trade. But I do think the Kings should consider taking on 2019 salary now, if it could net them a good player like Richardson.

What do you all think of taking on 2019 salary in a trade like this?

Edit
Other players that currently have two years left at big money are Reggie Jackson, Ian Mahimi, Mason Plumlee, Chandler Parsons, Bismack Biyombo, and Evan Turner. Not saying there teams want to get rid of them, but those are the types of players I would trade for, if I could get a good piece back. Also Deng and Mozgov.

Proposed awhile back taking bad salary on multi year deals.

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Mahimi in order to get Oubre but it would likely cost WCS.

Deng for an unprotected 2019, protected 2021 but send an expiring vet out

Call up Denver and get Faried for a protected first.

Parsons is very expensive, they'd have to take ZBO and really offer something good.

[becorz]

Proposed awhile back taking bad salary on multi year deals.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1724939

Mahimi in order to get Oubre but it would likely cost WCS.

Deng for an unprotected 2019, protected 2021 but send an expiring vet out

Call up Denver and get Faried for a protected first.

Parsons is very expensive, they'd have to take ZBO and really offer something good.

See, I think you are going to have to look at the very expensive Whiteside/Parsons type contracts to get something good. I don't think the Lakers give up Deng for this, when they can just stretch him. Protected Denver first is meh.

Mahimi/Oubre I could get behind, but I think the Wiz just wait until next off season to figure out the Porter/Oubre issue.

I guess on my end, I would rather get something good now (Richardson, Oubre level guys) rather than wait till next off season.