Kings General Discussion 2019-2020

[blind prophet]

I don’t believe it, this is how rumors get made. McMahon and Windhorst stuttering for conversation material making inferences, and Feldman running with it with nothing better to cover or to continue the anti Kings bit

Need something more substantial for me. BOgi has been nothing but complimentary

I believe it, look at his sometimes selfish play.

Besides that going into RFA after doing well with more minutes somewhere else would likely lead to a better contract.

[BoogieTime]

I don’t like talking about Luka, as what’s done is done, except within the context of accountability. This, and the initial returns on the coaching change and signings, and it hasn’t been a top very start of the season for Vlade (after a contentious career, in my view). But those are initial returns, we’ll see how the season progresses

[blind prophet]

We need to beat Utah somehow. Fox being questionable, not likely.

[oldshoolballer]

Bagley looked pretty average in preseason and awful against the Suns. He's got tunnel vision so bad when he has the ball. I think they'll end up playing better without him for a few games, but the obviously won't work long term. Overall, that first game was terrible and not a good sign. It's only the first game, but then you look at the next 10 or so and we could easily start the year about 2-10 if we don't lock in quick. Portland, Jazz, Denver, Lakers are all on the schedule.

I had high hopes for Bagley So far I'm a little disappointed.Still early hopefully he will keep working hard but I thought he would be better than he's showing so far.

[SmellingColors]

Bagley looked pretty average in preseason and awful against the Suns. He's got tunnel vision so bad when he has the ball. I think they'll end up playing better without him for a few games, but the obviously won't work long term. Overall, that first game was terrible and not a good sign. It's only the first game, but then you look at the next 10 or so and we could easily start the year about 2-10 if we don't lock in quick. Portland, Jazz, Denver, Lakers are all on the schedule.

I had high hopes for Bagley So far I'm a little disappointed.Still early hopefully he will keep working hard but I thought he would be better than he's showing so far.

Me too. I still think he has a lot of potential, but right now it seems like he's not ready for what this team expects of him. Maybe a little time on the bench will give him some learning opportunities too.

I mentioned last year that I would have liked for us to go after Oubre. I stand by that opinion. Dude has fire and swag which we are lacking. Others have mentioned bringing Shump back too.

[bleeds_purple]

Strange to see almost no fast breaks through 2.5 games.

[Lost in LA]

Joerger looking good right now...

[BoogieTime]

I hope we see now my favoritism for hard nosed coaches as opposed to players coaches.. hard nosed coaches get the most out of talent by will, whereas you need a self containing team, like the warriors and Kerr for example, that doesn’t need that foot to the behind on a daily basis

[gom]

I liked what Joerger did in Sacramento and was against letting him go, but Kings fans have turned on Kerr way too quickly. It's only been three games, and the only surprising loss was to the Suns. Overreaction.

[BoogieTime]

I think I’ll take a break from the games for a bit. I’m already rooting for lins and disliking a lot of members of the team. Not healthy. But I’ll still discuss basketball and long term personnel issues on the board, just not games for a bit

[KF10]

Holmes should be starting over Dedmon.

Dedmon is looking scrub-ish so far.

[bleeds_purple]

Holmes should be starting over Dedmon.

Dedmon is looking scrub-ish so far.

Hoping we can be running Giles/Bagley and Holmes/Bjelica. But I think we gotta give Dedmon another handful of games to see if he is worth anything. It matters more who finishes than starts anyhow.

[KF10]

Holmes should be starting over Dedmon.

Dedmon is looking scrub-ish so far.

Hoping we can be running Giles/Bagley and Holmes/Bjelica. But I think we gotta give Dedmon another handful of games to see if he is worth anything. It matters more who finishes than starts anyhow.

Dedmon literally looks like a guy you make in 2K with specific attributes above average i.e. blocking, 3PT and nothing else lol. The guy had one of the worst turnovers I've seen in a while in one of those losses.

That being said, I hope he bounces back. In theory, he is a perfect fit in the starting 5. Strong defender with a 3PT shot. I hope his intangibles shows up though.

[BoogieTime]

From the outset I believed Holmes was the center of the future

[Lost in LA]

Awful tonight, we need an actual coach

[The Beam King]

Awful tonight, we need an actual coach

Bring back joerger

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[WuTang_OG]

Vlade should have put his ego aside and worked things out with Joerger at the end of last season. So what he kicked out Brandon Williams from practice and he wasn't starting or giving MB 30+ minutes.

The team was playing with a real identity and were respectable, something the organization lacked since 2006.

[BoogieTime]

Maybe it’s just a master plan.

Firing Joerger and hiring Walton tanks the team for high draft picks instead of treadmill for two years. Than Vlade/Walton fired

2 years from now we have high draft picks with our core with a better GM. Still, the master plan would require hiring a coach as good as Joerger in two years, don’t know if it’s possible

[SmellingColors]

Vlade should have put his ego aside and worked things out with Joerger at the end of last season. So what he kicked out Brandon Williams from practice and he wasn't starting or giving MB 30+ minutes.

The team was playing with a real identity and were respectable, something the organization lacked since 2006.

I wasn't mad about the Joerger firing because I was thinking we were looking at moving up a tier in quality of coaches...then they hired Luke who is (at best) in the same tier as Joerger. Now he doesn't even look like that. Vlade has now tied his fate to Luke's success in my opinion by saying everything he said about Luke. I hope Vivek has the balls to move on from Vlade if Luke doesn't turn this around because these games have been atrocious.

[sacking123]

Well it looks like any expectations we had prior to the season are well off.
Did the play prior to the AS break flatter this team?
I mean after the break we went 9-16. On three occasions we had a 3 game losing streak, including the last 3 games of the season, which obviously means the Kings have lost 8 straight RS games.

In that span there have been 1 major change and 1 constant.

Shump out and Barnes in and Fox playing hurt.

There are other factors of course, namely the roster changes (do the vets fit the culture we had going?) and coaching change.
The thing I’m not happy about with Luke is the fact he clearly doesn’t have an offensive scheme and the pace isn’t where it needs to be. On top of that he said our conditioning isn’t where it should be. Well then heads should roll if that’s the case.
Why isn’t anyone asking the tough questions on our start? It’s not acceptable to say we need patience to learn new systems etc when other teams have had more player turnover and a new coach and they have systems running well straight out of the gate, like they should.


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