Official Artest Everything Thread

[Smills91]

Note to all:

If Josh Smith actually takes the QO from Atlanta because he can't get a better deal (longshot but you never know) then I take back everything I said about getting under the cap for 2009.

I have no problem pulling a blatant McCain (that one's for you Smills) if it means picking up Josh Smith (a near PERFECT player for this team).

I don't like McCain, he's just infinitely better than that Moron/Biggot Barack.

[Smills91]

Here's a new idea that I like...

Kings deal:
Ron Artest
Brad Miller
Mikki Moore

Nuggets deal:
Kenyon Martin
Carmelo Anthony

Why for Sacramento: We get a #1 scoring option to complement Martin. Kings sacrifice some future cap to get another piece to help them build for the future.

Why for Denver: They fill 3 positions for the less than the price of 2. Melo and Artest are basically a push talent wise. Brad gives the Nuggets a center to work with and Moore give them another 4/5 for some frontcourt depth. This trade gives the Nuggets a shot to compete for the next couple of years and then have the ability to slash some salary.

Kings new roster:

C: Spencer Hawes, Shelden Williams
PF: Jason Thompson, Kenyon Martin, K9, SAR
SF: Carmelo Anthony, Francisco Garcia, Pat Ewing Jr.
SG: Kevin Martin, John Salmons, Quincy Douby
PG: Beno Udrih, Sean Singletary

Kings fully commit to their youth movement.

Nuggets new roster:
C: Brad Miller, Steven Hunter
PF: Mikki Moore, Nene
SF: Ron Artest, Linas Kleiza
SG: Allen Iverson, JR Rider
PG: Chucky Atkins, Taurean Green

Nuggets stay competive while slashing salary.

[rpa]

Really don't see the Nuggets doing (even considering actually) that. I think they want to slash salary so they can build AROUND Melo, not slash salary by trading him.

[deNIEd]

With NO getting Posey

this I think becomes my favorite Artest deal

SAC Trades:

PF Kenny Thomas
PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim
SF Ron Artest

SAC Receives:

SF Steve Novak
PG Steve Francis
PF Luis Scola
PG Bobby Jackson
1st Rnd (Lottery Protected) HOU
2nd Rnd MIA

HOU Trades:

SF Steve Novak
PG Steve Francis
SF Shane Battier
PF Luis Scola
PG Bobby Jackson
PG Luther Head
1st Rnd pick (Lottery protected)

HOU Receives:

PF Kenny Thomas
SF Shawn Marion
PF Stephane Lasme

MIA Trades:

SF Shawn Marion
PF Stephane Lasme
2nd Rnd pick

MIA Receives:

PG Luther Head
PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim
SF Ron Artest
SF Shane Battier

[SacKingZZZ]

Well, you can most likely count Dallas out of the Artest picture. Sam Amick is reporting that they offered Bass and Stackhouse. I am sure that was a one sided conversation that ended rather quickly with the Kings hanging up the phone after a quick laugh.

[shortodom]

Sam Amick of the Sacramento Bee wrote:

According to a source close to Dallas, the Mavs have offered Brandon Bass and Jerry Stackhouse for the Kings small forward. The chatter was first reported by Hoopsworld here, but I've independently confirmed the pieces in the offer. Stackhouse has a contract that's almost identical to Artest's ($7.4 million, expiring for Artest; $7 million expiring for Stackhouse), and Bass is a young beast of a big man who comes at the bargain price of $826,269 (also expiring). I can't even come close to seeing Kings basketball president Geoff Petrie doing this deal, not unless Josh Howard is involved.

And from what I'm told, that's not going to happen. As the Mavs see it, the perceived risk of taking Artest is acceptable so long as the price of getting him is Bass and Stackhouse. Lose Howard to get Artest, though, and the gamble is too great. As is always the case, though, things could change.

As far as the continuing frontrunners in the Artest sweepstakes, I've been told by a source close to the Lakers that there are no ongoing discussions. The next relevant date remains Friday, when the Lakers' deadline to match Ronny Turiaf's offer sheet passes. It's at that point the Lakers may decide to take on Kenny Thomas to fill Turiaf's old role or quite possibly engage a third team in the deal so as to avoid his contract. As for whether the Lakers have offered Lamar Odom, that hasn't officially happened but I'm told he is absolutely available.

[BG3eb]

Dallas did what they should do, offer the low-ball side first and see if that will work. If they really want him, then the next offer includes Josh or something else.

[Smills91]

Dallas did what they should do, offer the low-ball side first and see if that will work. If they really want him, then the next offer includes Josh AND something else.

Fixed

since
Artest > Howard

that's what it'll take.

[Smills91]

Really don't see the Nuggets doing (even considering actually) that. I think they want to slash salary so they can build AROUND Melo, not slash salary by trading him.

That's the thing, they're not really slashing salary other than getting rid of Martin's albatross deal(which is the price for us to get Melo).

The point of this deal is to get the Nuggets competitive WITH Iverson now, while setting themselves up for financial flexibility in 2 years. This gives them a 2 year window to win now with Iverson/Ron/Brad trio.

Then the owner can bring some financial responsibility to the team. Cutting Camby's 10 million off the books NOW saves the team a TON of money and they basically replace the same production(even more if you ask me) between Melo/Camby by acquiring the smaller deals of Ron/Moore/Miller - they're new starting frontcourt.

[BG3eb]

I figure the best offer is
Josh, Stack, Bass
for
Artest, Thomas and maybe Garcia as well.

It's a pretty fair amount of salary relief for the Kings next year and follow, Stack's deal is only partially guaranteed next season. Bass is a very serviceable player and is continuing to get better.

[SacKingZZZ]

I could see Cuban not wanting to give up Josh Howard. He's seen all his competitors get better without having to move a major piece, and this is exactly that. He'd rather add than subtract to add. He shot his wad on the Kidd deal though, so there is no other realistic way IMO for Ron to go to Dallas. Then again, even though the value is very good is Josh the best fit? I think Odom would be best, Marion 2nd, and Josh 3rd if we can't find another good deal based around more expirings and picks.

[sackings916]

We should trade Artest,Moore,KT and SAR to the Cavs for Varejao and their expiring contracts. Getting under the cap next season would also mean we could absorb salary and we could possibly get a deal similar to the Clippers getting Camby for nothing. We could do a follow up deal with Brad Miller for a 1st+expiring. Hawes,Thompson,Varejao,Williams gives us 4 young bigs with a nice mix of offense/defense.

[Smills91]

I figure the best offer is
Josh, Stack, Bass
for
Artest, Thomas and maybe Garcia as well.

It's a pretty fair amount of salary relief for the Kings next year and follow, Stack's deal is only partially guaranteed next season. Bass is a very serviceable player and is continuing to get better.

You keep Bass, we'll keep Garcia.

[Realmavsman]

I figure the best offer is
Josh, Stack, Bass
for
Artest, Thomas and maybe Garcia as well.

It's a pretty fair amount of salary relief for the Kings next year and follow, Stack's deal is only partially guaranteed next season. Bass is a very serviceable player and is continuing to get better.

You keep Bass, we'll keep Garcia.

Nope, I think Garcia would have to be part of the deal. If we are taking back Thomas' awful contract Garica would have to be part of the deal. You guys already have Kevin Martin and Salmons so I don't think Garcia is untouchable.

[KingInExile]

I figure the best offer is
Josh, Stack, Bass
for
Artest, Thomas and maybe Garcia as well.

It's a pretty fair amount of salary relief for the Kings next year and follow, Stack's deal is only partially guaranteed next season. Bass is a very serviceable player and is continuing to get better.

You keep Bass, we'll keep Garcia.

Nope, I think Garcia would have to be part of the deal. If we are taking back Thomas' awful contract Garica would have to be part of the deal. You guys already have Kevin Martin and Salmons so I don't think Garcia is untouchable.

Well, Garcia is untouchable for Smills because a) he has had a long-term crush on Garcia and b) he undervalues Bass.

Personally, I would give the idea a lot of consideration.

[deNIEd]

Of the three SF's we have, I'd give up Garcia last, Artest than Salmons than Garcia.

Reasons being, he is undervalued by the rest of the league.
Gives great production either starting or off the bench.
Can become an extremely deadly shooter, and we don't have many so far. (K. Mart isn't all that great from 3 point and beyond).
If he can develop into a point, or better at the point, defensive wise he will create so many problems for being so tall, long, and quick.

[pillwenney]

The Lakers won't find a third team to take on Kenny--at least not without getting something equally crappy in return.

[Smills91]

I figure the best offer is
Josh, Stack, Bass
for
Artest, Thomas and maybe Garcia as well.

It's a pretty fair amount of salary relief for the Kings next year and follow, Stack's deal is only partially guaranteed next season. Bass is a very serviceable player and is continuing to get better.

You keep Bass, we'll keep Garcia.

Nope, I think Garcia would have to be part of the deal. If we are taking back Thomas' awful contract Garica would have to be part of the deal. You guys already have Kevin Martin and Salmons so I don't think Garcia is untouchable.

Screw it. I wouldn't touch it. I like Bass but between Thompson, Moore, Williams, SAR, K9 etc etc etc we don't have much need for another PF...however we REALLY get a boost out of Garcia's production off the bench.

[SacKingZZZ]

Nope, I think Garcia would have to be part of the deal. If we are taking back Thomas' awful contract Garica would have to be part of the deal. You guys already have Kevin Martin and Salmons so I don't think Garcia is untouchable.

Pretty much. I don't see why the Kings would even want to keep one of Garcia or Salmons if they traded for Josh Howard. Howard, Garcia, Salmons, and Martin on the wing is way too much. There are not enough minutes to go around.

It's geat in theory to have all that talent but in reality it only causes disdain in the locker room.

[SacKingZZZ]

Screw it. I wouldn't touch it. I like Bass but between Thompson, Moore, Williams, SAR, K9 etc etc etc we don't have much need for another PF...however we REALLY get a boost out of Garcia's production off the bench.[/quote]

Bass is cool but exactly right on. We have Shelden, Thompson, and Hawes as young bigs that will need minutes. Where does Bass fit in!? I am not trading Artest for a guy that will most likely be 3rd/4th string big off the bench.

I also agree that out of the SF's we have I would let go of Garcia last. Reason is that he can fit as a role player with just about any lineup on the floor. He doesn't necessarily need the ball to be effective. He'll play D and be a spot shooter if need be. He can also handle the ball as a point forward and I think he can play a Doug Christie type of role next to Martin.