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Re: Off-Season Trade Discussion 

Post#41 » by City of Trees » Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:36 am

Smitty posted an update on LAC/BOS with SAC as possible 3rd team. According to Smitty Boston wants Rozier+? for Gay.




http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1467632


Smitty731 wrote:5. In relation to the above, Sacramento is not currently in. If they get back in, Boston would like to tweak the deal to deliver LAC Rudy Gay, Amir Johnson and a 1st round pick (non-BRK) while Sacramento gets Terry Rozier and something else.

6. LAC is NOT shopping Blake Griffin, but they are listening. There is a major difference. Same with Sacramento and Rudy Gay.

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Re: Off-Season Trade Discussion 

Post#42 » by KF10 » Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:44 am

So, since when Rozier became valuable? I mean, he looked good in this year's summer league but just by looking at his numbers from last year, they stink. What's the deal with him?
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Re: Re: Off-Season Trade Discussion 

Post#43 » by City of Trees » Sun Jul 24, 2016 5:54 am

KF10 wrote:So, since when Rozier became valuable? I mean, he looked good in this year's summer league but just by looking at his numbers from last year, they stink. What's the deal with him?

The idea is with consistent playing time his shooting numbers will increase. In the playoffs his playing time doubled which also saw his 3pt shooting go from 22% to 36.4%.
His rebounding rate for the year was right up there with Russell Westbrook's Per 36. Rozier has great timing on his jumps (that go really high) and he can fly to the ball.
The athleticism is close to elite. 6'2 With a 6'8.5 wingspan. Fast and quick. Plays hard.

I actually like the potential of Rozier. Some Boston fans feel Rozier has more potential than Smart but Smart has the higher floor because of his defense.

Trading Gay for Rozier+? seems like a rebuild move to me since Rozier could take a few years to polish his game. To get a yes out of me I need to know what the ? is in the trade. Really like Rozier tho. Seems like a kid this team should want to add.

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Re: Off-Season Trade Discussion 

Post#44 » by SacKingZZZ » Sun Jul 24, 2016 6:16 am

Haha, the Kings won't be trading Rudy for freaking Rozier. The C's just signed a few more cap stuffers, I'd say any Griffin dreams can probably end now.
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Re: Off-Season Trade Discussion 

Post#45 » by c3j3h » Sun Jul 24, 2016 6:21 am

Rozier has a great deal of potential on both sides of the ball. He didn't get too many opportunities in Boston this year being the 3rd or 4th option at PG, but he looked pretty good in the playoffs.

Meaningless as Summer League may be, he was one of the best overall players this summer, leading all regular contributors in PER at 36.7. The thing I like most ab out Rozier is that he is tenacious defensively. He likes to get right up in his man's face and control their movement. You can tell that he learned a lot by practicing with Avery Bradley and Marcus Smart every day.

I think Rozier could certainly make a good backup PG. He might even make a good starter someday. Even if he doesn't hit starter level full time, he's somebody that can fill in for Collison at the very least. He's only 22, and he still has 3 years left on a really cheap rookie contract. He would be a solid get for the Kings.

I think a deal for like Rozier, Jerebko, and a 2nd round pick or one of Boston's rookies would be a nice haul for Rudy.
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Re: Re: Off-Season Trade Discussion 

Post#46 » by City of Trees » Sun Jul 24, 2016 6:39 am

SacKingZZZ wrote:Haha, the Kings won't be trading Rudy for freaking Rozier. The C's just signed a few more cap stuffers, I'd say any Griffin dreams can probably end now.

Last I heard Zeller has only agreed, not signed. Brown is yet to sign as well. Griffin to BOS is still alive.

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Re: Re: Off-Season Trade Discussion 

Post#47 » by benchmobbin02 » Sun Jul 24, 2016 6:54 am

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SacKingZZZ wrote:Haha, the Kings won't be trading Rudy for freaking Rozier. The C's just signed a few more cap stuffers, I'd say any Griffin dreams can probably end now.

Last I heard Zeller has only agreed, not signed. Brown is yet to sign as well. Griffin to BOS is still alive.

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Yeah Smitty, lays it out here -

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1467632#start_here

These all could be moves setting up a trade. No one knows til it hits the wire.
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Re: Re: Off-Season Trade Discussion 

Post#48 » by City of Trees » Sun Jul 24, 2016 6:55 am

c3j3h wrote:Rozier has a great deal of potential on both sides of the ball. He didn't get too many opportunities in Boston this year being the 3rd or 4th option at PG, but he looked pretty good in the playoffs.

Meaningless as Summer League may be, he was one of the best overall players this summer, leading all regular contributors in PER at 36.7. The thing I like most ab out Rozier is that he is tenacious defensively. He likes to get right up in his man's face and control their movement. You can tell that he learned a lot by practicing with Avery Bradley and Marcus Smart every day.

I think Rozier could certainly make a good backup PG. He might even make a good starter someday. Even if he doesn't hit starter level full time, he's somebody that can fill in for Collison at the very least. He's only 22, and he still has 3 years left on a really cheap rookie contract. He would be a solid get for the Kings.

I think a deal for like Rozier, Jerebko, and a 2nd round pick or one of Boston's rookies would be a nice haul for Rudy.

Jerebko/2nd doesn't do much for me. Rozier is a nice prospect to get for Gay but trading Rudy leaves quite the hole. I'd like to get back some help for that as well but looking at Boston's roster I don't see it. Value won't match up.

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Re: Off-Season Trade Discussion 

Post#49 » by City of Trees » Sun Jul 24, 2016 7:02 am

Oh and Boston just guaranteed the contract of their 2nd round PG which gives them 4 PG's now. Boston has way too many guys. Trade coming?

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Re: Off-Season Trade Discussion 

Post#50 » by Smitty731 » Sun Jul 24, 2016 11:50 am

I just want to jump in here for a quick second. The Kings really like Rozier. They need a PG behind Collison and word is they are getting a little desperate. I've heard they made offers on a bunch of guys and didn't land any of them. They like Temple a lot, but not sure if he's a true PG.

And the Gay situation sounds like it is bad and ready to jump to really bad at any moment. Everyone I have talked to agrees he will not be a King at the beginning of the season.

So, it isn't exactly giving up much to fill a need by moving a guy who doesn't want to be there.

That is the idea at least. FWIW, I don't think any trades are going down anywhere. That is always the far more likely option. Trades are hard to pull off. That said, the Celtics are making moves like something is happening.
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Re: Off-Season Trade Discussion 

Post#51 » by benchmobbin02 » Sun Jul 24, 2016 12:42 pm

Sorry Trees, just went to the bottom of the thread. Didn't see you already posted that link.

I didn't mean for it to come off as if I'm sold on what any team is doing from media reports. Just noting Smitty had pointed out that the trade was still possible despite the news on Zeller and Green.
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Re: Re: Off-Season Trade Discussion 

Post#52 » by City of Trees » Sun Jul 24, 2016 3:04 pm

benchmobbin02 wrote:Sorry Trees, just went to the bottom of the thread. Didn't see you already posted that link.

I didn't mean for it to come off as if I'm sold on what any team is doing from media reports. Just noting Smitty had pointed out that the trade was still possible despite the news on Zeller and Green.

It's all good. I was trying to make the same point so you backed me up.

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Re: Off-Season Trade Discussion 

Post#53 » by Jody Smokz » Sun Jul 24, 2016 3:12 pm

I honestly dont see the Kings moving Cousins unless things go super south this year with Joerger (which I dont think they will) or they will wait til the final year of his deal to see if they can convince him to stay long term and if not then move him.

Right now any team trading for Boog is having to give up 2 young good players and a pick or solid vet to get him. Unless you are in position to contend after that trade it may not even be worth it. Which is why a lot of teams haven't made a huge play for him.
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Re: Off-Season Trade Discussion 

Post#54 » by dozencousins » Sun Jul 24, 2016 4:36 pm

Smitty731 wrote:I just want to jump in here for a quick second. The Kings really like Rozier. They need a PG behind Collison and word is they are getting a little desperate. I've heard they made offers on a bunch of guys and didn't land any of them. They like Temple a lot, but not sure if he's a true PG.

And the Gay situation sounds like it is bad and ready to jump to really bad at any moment. Everyone I have talked to agrees he will not be a King at the beginning of the season.

So, it isn't exactly giving up much to fill a need by moving a guy who doesn't want to be there.

That is the idea at least. FWIW, I don't think any trades are going down anywhere. That is always the far more likely option. Trades are hard to pull off. That said, the Celtics are making moves like something is happening.


I posted in our last trade thread roughly 2 weeks ago or a bit longer than that of our interest in Rozier and talks of a 3 team deal involving
Boston so this is not really news to me . Seems odd to me you post Info along the same lines as me and some are believing you maybe because your a Mod I don't know ? I post the info way before you did and some others don't believe or start drama .

Anyways I believe you because I have inside info with the Kings for the past 3 seasons and though my info is slightly different than yours my info is very simular . So we both having sources might be getting the same general info but one may be getting slightly different info as well .
I am glad that you are confirming what I have been saying for awhile now however both Kings and Celtics are & have been talking with a # of other teams as well . More so Celtics than Kings .
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Re: Off-Season Trade Discussion 

Post#55 » by Jkam31 » Sun Jul 24, 2016 8:49 pm

Jody Smokz wrote:I honestly dont see the Kings moving Cousins unless things go super south this year with Joerger (which I dont think they will) or they will wait til the final year of his deal to see if they can convince him to stay long term and if not then move him.

Right now any team trading for Boog is having to give up 2 young good players and a pick or solid vet to get him. Unless you are in position to contend after that trade it may not even be worth it. Which is why a lot of teams haven't made a huge play for him.


I'm on record 42 wins this year and Boogie is a kings lifer.


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Re: Off-Season Trade Discussion 

Post#56 » by blind prophet » Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:04 pm

Jkam31 wrote:
Jody Smokz wrote:I honestly dont see the Kings moving Cousins unless things go super south this year with Joerger (which I dont think they will) or they will wait til the final year of his deal to see if they can convince him to stay long term and if not then move him.

Right now any team trading for Boog is having to give up 2 young good players and a pick or solid vet to get him. Unless you are in position to contend after that trade it may not even be worth it. Which is why a lot of teams haven't made a huge play for him.


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Can't make any prediction until I see what we do with Rudy and PG.
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Re: Off-Season Trade Discussion 

Post#57 » by c3j3h » Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:13 pm

dozencousins wrote:
Smitty731 wrote:I just want to jump in here for a quick second. The Kings really like Rozier. They need a PG behind Collison and word is they are getting a little desperate. I've heard they made offers on a bunch of guys and didn't land any of them. They like Temple a lot, but not sure if he's a true PG.

And the Gay situation sounds like it is bad and ready to jump to really bad at any moment. Everyone I have talked to agrees he will not be a King at the beginning of the season.

So, it isn't exactly giving up much to fill a need by moving a guy who doesn't want to be there.

That is the idea at least. FWIW, I don't think any trades are going down anywhere. That is always the far more likely option. Trades are hard to pull off. That said, the Celtics are making moves like something is happening.


I posted in our last trade thread roughly 2 weeks ago or a bit longer than that of our interest in Rozier and talks of a 3 team deal involving
Boston so this is not really news to me . Seems odd to me you post Info along the same lines as me and some are believing you maybe because your a Mod I don't know ? I post the info way before you did and some others don't believe or start drama .

Anyways I believe you because I have inside info with the Kings for the past 3 seasons and though my info is slightly different than yours my info is very simular . So we both having sources might be getting the same general info but one may be getting slightly different info as well .
I am glad that you are confirming what I have been saying for awhile now however both Kings and Celtics are & have been talking with a # of other teams as well . More so Celtics than Kings .



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Re: Off-Season Trade Discussion 

Post#58 » by c3j3h » Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:14 pm

Jkam31 wrote:
Jody Smokz wrote:I honestly dont see the Kings moving Cousins unless things go super south this year with Joerger (which I dont think they will) or they will wait til the final year of his deal to see if they can convince him to stay long term and if not then move him.

Right now any team trading for Boog is having to give up 2 young good players and a pick or solid vet to get him. Unless you are in position to contend after that trade it may not even be worth it. Which is why a lot of teams haven't made a huge play for him.


I'm on record 42 wins this year and Boogie is a kings lifer.


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Durant just left OKC after being 1 win away from the Finals but Boogie is signing on for life if he gets 1 win above .500 out of 7 years in Sacramento?
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Re: Off-Season Trade Discussion 

Post#59 » by Sheva7 » Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:19 pm

c3j3h wrote:
Jkam31 wrote:
Jody Smokz wrote:I honestly dont see the Kings moving Cousins unless things go super south this year with Joerger (which I dont think they will) or they will wait til the final year of his deal to see if they can convince him to stay long term and if not then move him.

Right now any team trading for Boog is having to give up 2 young good players and a pick or solid vet to get him. Unless you are in position to contend after that trade it may not even be worth it. Which is why a lot of teams haven't made a huge play for him.


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Durant just left OKC after being 1 win away from the Finals but Boogie is signing on for life if he gets 1 win above .500 out of 7 years in Sacramento?

What durant did has nothing to do with it. Cousins is a completely different person. I'm not gonna put a number on it, but if we show a lot of improvement over the next two years I expect him to resign.
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Re: Off-Season Trade Discussion 

Post#60 » by c3j3h » Sun Jul 24, 2016 9:24 pm

I'm just saying it's absurd to assume Cousins won't flee for greener pastures when nearly every other big name Free Agent does so, especially when they play for an unsuccessful franchise. What exactly is so different about Cousins? You think Durant didn't say he loved OKC?

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