Kings Trade Thread

[blind prophet]

Do you all have any interest in TT's expiring contract?

I don't, but I have heard his name brought up before. Don't know if it was here or on a Kings only forum.

They key is probably if we strike out in FA.

[jbk1234]

Do you all have any interest in TT's expiring contract?

I don't, but I have heard his name brought up before. Don't know if it was here or on a Kings only forum.

They key is probably if we strike out in FA.

So, two questions: (1) Who are you guys targeting; and (2) do you guys have a need for a big who can rebound and defend the PNR, or are you looking for something else out of the position?

[blind prophet]

Do you all have any interest in TT's expiring contract?

I don't, but I have heard his name brought up before. Don't know if it was here or on a Kings only forum.

They key is probably if we strike out in FA.

So, two questions: (1) Who are you guys targeting; and (2) do you guys have a need for a big who can rebound and defend the PNR, or are you looking for something else out of the position?

According to Amick Vucevic for a big.

https://www.prosportsdaily.com/articles/magics-nikola-vucevic-on-kings-freeagency-wish-list-560271.html

[LightTheBeam]

Sounds like we are pursuing Tobias. I like that long term. Hield is great, but hes more of a 2-3 option rather than a 1-2. Tobias is a guy who knocks down 3s and can get his own shot, he will be 27 to start next year so entering his prime. Id love to bring back Shump, and then possibly another guard who can handle the ball of the bench.

We certainly wouldn't be the best interior defensive team, but we could score with the absolute best of them.

[blind prophet]

Sounds like we are pursuing Tobias. I like that long term. Hield is great, but hes more of a 2-3 option rather than a 1-2. Tobias is a guy who knocks down 3s and can get his own shot, he will be 27 to start next year so entering his prime. Id love to bring back Shump, and then possibly another guard who can handle the ball of the bench.

We certainly wouldn't be the best interior defensive team, but we could score with the absolute best of them.

Do you think it is possible he'd sign here?

[OhioKingsFan]

Tobias Harris would be a fantastic fit in SAC. I don't know how PHI can let him walk after they gave up so much to get him, it's more likely to me that PHI re-signs him and then looks to offload one of their big salary players for specific "fit" targets once the team's cap situation becomes crushing.

Fox/Buddy/Harris/Barnes/Bagley would be soooo fun to watch.

[LightTheBeam]

Sounds like we are pursuing Tobias. I like that long term. Hield is great, but hes more of a 2-3 option rather than a 1-2. Tobias is a guy who knocks down 3s and can get his own shot, he will be 27 to start next year so entering his prime. Id love to bring back Shump, and then possibly another guard who can handle the ball of the bench.

We certainly wouldn't be the best interior defensive team, but we could score with the absolute best of them.

Do you think it is possible he'd sign here?

If Philly resigns him to the max day 1 hes staying. But what if Philly resigns Butler to the max day 1 and tries to low ball Tobias because hes really there 4th option.

Other rumored teams

Dallas - Expected to pursue Kemba/Middleton as their priorities
Indiana - Probably needs a pg, resign Thad and Bojan. Plus I think we are actually a more exciting market
Jazz - Have Ingles and a decision to make on Favors, could fit him at the 4 if Favors leaves. I think they prioritize getting a pg.
Brooklyn - Believes they can get a star free agent big market, this will push them to wait until they are officially out of the Durant/Kawhi sweepstakes. They also need to resign Deangalo this year.

So I guess it really depends. Seems like all those teams are going to be looking at Tobias as a backup option when other options fail. If Philly hardballs him and we call him at 12:01, theres a chance he considers coming back to the west coast and teaming up with a young and upcoming team. Plus we can sell him on being a 1B option on our team.

Id say its unlikely, but not impossible.

[codydaze]

I really hope we don't tie up long term money in Vucevic. He's a good player but I'd rather target a wing with the money we have. Tobias Harris would be a good fit but I can't see him signing here. I still think leaving the summer with Pat Beverly and Dewayne Dedmon on the roster would be a win and great fits for the roster. If you can find the money to squeeze Tobias in with those two then that's icing on the cake but likely not very realistic.

[LightTheBeam]

I really hope we don't tie up long term money in Vucevic. He's a good player but I'd rather target a wing with the money we have. Tobias Harris would be a good fit but I can't see him signing here. I still think leaving the summer with Pat Beverly and Dewayne Dedmon on the roster would be a win and great fits for the roster. If you can find the money to squeeze Tobias in with those two then that's icing on the cake but likely not very realistic.

I'm fully onboard with this. I've long been a promoter of grabbing Dedmon. Danny Green would be my 3rd if those are my 2 targets.

Something like

3/36 for Bev
2/18 for Dedmon
2/32 for Green

37 million per year on these 3 players is more valuable to me than 30 for either Tobias or Vucevic. Our defense would become elite.

Dedmon/Giles
Bagley/Bjelica
Barnes/Green
Hield/Bogdan
Fox/Bev

Imagine the lineups possible. Bjelica on limited minutes unless he comes in to camp in much better shape.

This is all very realistic as well. Dedmon is probably leaving ATL, Clippers after a bigger fish than Bev, Green may not be resigned if Kawhi leaves.

[bleeds_purple]

Can't see Beverly leaving LAC. They are gonna go for big fish on the wings and bring him back on the relative cheap. I'd love him on the team tho. We desperately need a tough guy or two who the young guys can feed off of.

Not too interested in Green. He's will be 32 to start the season and is already a very limited player. His defense will fall off in the next season or two and then he will be an end of the bench guy. Plus, we already have Bogi and Buddy Buckets. We need a bigger wing not another 2 guard.

[BoogieTime]

Why is Beverly going to want to come off the bench for a team that was worse than the team he started on? He’s going somewhere to start I’d imagine

[blind prophet]

Beverly's career earnings are just under 20 million.

I'd wager he chooses cash in the off season. Think we could get him if overpay.

[KF10]

I still think we need another option on offense and I believe Harris is an excellent choice, imo. I lost count when our main guys (Fox, Buddy, Bogdan) were hitting blanks and couldn't elevate the team offensively. We relied too much of a pace, pace, pace game and didn't really have a guy who came in and be a stabilizer when things go awry. Barnes should have been the guy but he's more of a complementary piece. Didn't really have the alpha dog game in him.

Outside of a Durant, Kawhi or even a Middleton, Harris is the best we can get at the SF/PF blend type of player. Then, follow up with a Dedmon signing. That would be an exciting (& successful) group of guys in the modern game.

This FA season can really elevate the Kings if they manage to pick out the right guys. What I suggested above is simply a single idea from multiple hypotheticals.

That being said, I really hope we don't fall into the Vucevic trap. Before this season, he was regarded as a low impact guy that plays matador D. How come one season erases all of that? I still remember all of those Magic fans completely ragging on this guy for years.

[BoogieTime]

Beverly's career earnings are just under 20 million.

I'd wager he chooses cash in the off season. Think we could get him if overpay.

I think he’ll most likely want to, and have the opportunity to start. But, maybe we could pay him that much more to come off the bench here. Don’t know if that’s how I’d allocate resources for an auxiliary position like backup PG

[hookshot199]

I still think we need another option on offense and I believe Harris is an excellent choice, imo. I lost count when our main guys (Fox, Buddy, Bogdan) were hitting blanks and couldn't elevate the team offensively. We relied too much of a pace, pace, pace game and didn't really have a guy who came in and be a stabilizer when things go awry. Barnes should have been the guy but he's more of a complementary piece. Didn't really have the alpha dog game in him.

Outside of a Durant, Kawhi or even a Middleton, Harris is the best we can get at the SF/PF blend type of player. Then, follow up with a Dedmon signing. That would be an exciting (& successful) group of guys in the modern game.

This FA season can really elevate the Kings if they manage to pick out the right guys. What I suggested above is simply a single idea from multiple hypotheticals.

That being said, I really hope we don't fall into the Vucevic trap. Before this season, he was regarded as a low impact guy that plays matador D. How come one season erases all of that? I still remember all of those Magic fans completely ragging on this guy for years.

Coming in peace from Philly Land: Most of us, unfortunately because of the time zone, didn't see Tobias evolve to the point where he was shooting .420 from 3 for a 135 games. We saw him regress to the low .300s. I blame the coach. Doc Rivers is an elite coach. Brett Brown will never be one in my opinion.

I hope the Sixers re-sign Tobias. He's the perfect demographic for the Sixers, turns 27 in July, thus 32 at the end of a five-year deal. But he's got to play within a system, will not be the alpha on offense.

There are two issues in my opinion: Will Philly try to low ball him? I don't think he's worth the full five-year max ($180 mil-plus), but he's worth somewhere in between, say $160 mil or $165 mil. Secondly, would it be worth it for him to leave $20 mil, $30 mil or $40 mil-plus mil on the table to go elsewhere?

Thirdly, will Walton use him effectively? I don't think Brown can.

Lastly, if I may make a general comment about the Kings. I like your young players, in particular Fox. I always wonder "what if": What if the Kings hadn't jumped to the three spot in the 2017 draft, triggering the swap? Would we have drafted Fox, at five, rather than try to trade up four spots for Fultz? Meaning an even bigger give-away. But anyone who watched the NCAAs knew that Fox was the real deal.

Anyway, thanks for indulging me.

[KF10]

Coming in peace from Philly Land: Most of us, unfortunately because of the time zone, didn't see Tobias evolve to the point where he was shooting .420 from 3 for a 135 games. We saw him regress to the low .300s. I blame the coach. Doc Rivers is an elite coach. Brett Brown will never be one in my opinion.

I hope the Sixers re-sign Tobias. He's the perfect demographic for the Sixers, turns 27 in July, thus 32 at the end of a five-year deal. But he's got to play within a system, will not be the alpha on offense.

There are two issues in my opinion: Will Philly try to low ball him? I don't think he's worth the full five-year max ($180 mil-plus), but he's worth somewhere in between, say $160 mil or $165 mil. Secondly, would it be worth it for him to leave $20 mil, $30 mil or $40 mil-plus mil on the table to go elsewhere?

Thirdly, will Walton use him effectively? I don't think Brown can.

Lastly, if I may make a general comment about the Kings. I like your young players, in particular Fox. I always wonder "what if": What if the Kings hadn't jumped to the three spot in the 2017 draft, triggering the swap? Would we have drafted Fox, at five, rather than try to trade up four spots for Fultz? Meaning an even bigger give-away. But anyone who watched the NCAAs knew that Fox was the real deal.

Anyway, thanks for indulging me.

I'm not too bothered about Harris' 3PT%. He has a good amount of sample size that he IS a very good 3PT shooter. I do believe it was a system-related problem with Harris & Sixers.

Harris may not be an absolute alpha type of player but relative to the Kings players, he definitely can be one of the primary options for the Kings alongside Buddy & Fox (and eventually Bagley). I thought Barnes was gonna be that guy but he's kinda is just...there. I see Harris more of a scoring threat than Barnes.

I wish the best for Walton and his style meshes well for the Kings.

I'm glad the Kings jumped and grabbed Fox. We needed that one lol

[LightTheBeam]

Why is Beverly going to want to come off the bench for a team that was worse than the team he started on? He’s going somewhere to start I’d imagine

Eh. At times he was guarding the SF on the Clippers. Hell I think he even was one of the primary Durant defenders in the playoffs.

So realistically he and Bogdan would be our primary backups 1-3. Last year Fox, Buddy and Barnes accounted for 98 minutes leaving 46 minutes at those positions before we talk about Barnes moving to the 4.

Here's a better breakdown. Assuming we sign Beverly and Dedmon.

Dedmon (18) / Giles (21) / Bagley (9)
Bagley (24) / Barnes (6) / Bjelica (12)
Barnes (26) / Bogdan (22)
Hield (33) / (Bogdan (6) / Bev (10)
Fox (33) / Beverly (15)

Fox - 33
Bagley - 33
Hield - 33
Barnes - 32
Bogdan - 28
Bev - 25
Giles - 21
Dedmon - 18
Bjelica - 12

Solid 9 man rotation. Im tired of the whole 11-12 deep crap Joerger has been pushing on us.

[BoogieTime]

Why is Beverly going to want to come off the bench for a team that was worse than the team he started on? He’s going somewhere to start I’d imagine

Eh. At times he was guarding the SF on the Clippers. Hell I think he even was one of the primary Durant defenders in the playoffs.

So realistically he and Bogdan would be our primary backups 1-3. Last year Fox, Buddy and Barnes accounted for 98 minutes leaving 46 minutes at those positions before we talk about Barnes moving to the 4.

Here's a better breakdown. Assuming we sign Beverly and Dedmon.

Dedmon (18) / Giles (21) / Bagley (9)
Bagley (24) / Barnes (6) / Bjelica (12)
Barnes (26) / Bogdan (22)
Hield (33) / (Bogdan (6) / Bev (10)
Fox (33) / Beverly (15)

Fox - 33
Bagley - 33
Hield - 33
Barnes - 32
Bogdan - 28
Bev - 25
Giles - 21
Dedmon - 18
Bjelica - 12

Solid 9 man rotation. Im tired of the whole 11-12 deep crap Joerger has been pushing on us.

Not hating on the plan (though mine might be different). Just doubt Bev will be available on the Kings reasonably. If a quality backup PG is on your list, maybe another option might be more attainable

[LightTheBeam]

Why is Beverly going to want to come off the bench for a team that was worse than the team he started on? He’s going somewhere to start I’d imagine

Eh. At times he was guarding the SF on the Clippers. Hell I think he even was one of the primary Durant defenders in the playoffs.

So realistically he and Bogdan would be our primary backups 1-3. Last year Fox, Buddy and Barnes accounted for 98 minutes leaving 46 minutes at those positions before we talk about Barnes moving to the 4.

Here's a better breakdown. Assuming we sign Beverly and Dedmon.

Dedmon (18) / Giles (21) / Bagley (9)
Bagley (24) / Barnes (6) / Bjelica (12)
Barnes (26) / Bogdan (22)
Hield (33) / (Bogdan (6) / Bev (10)
Fox (33) / Beverly (15)

Fox - 33
Bagley - 33
Hield - 33
Barnes - 32
Bogdan - 28
Bev - 25
Giles - 21
Dedmon - 18
Bjelica - 12

Solid 9 man rotation. Im tired of the whole 11-12 deep crap Joerger has been pushing on us.

Not hating on the plan (though mine might be different). Just doubt Bev will be available on the Kings reasonably. If a quality backup PG is on your list, maybe another option might be more attainable

I'm not sure a backup pg is necessarily what I'm after. Beverly is a hound on defense and changes the entire mentality and physicality of our team.

The clippers swept us this year. I think we can all agree more than anything they bullied us. A lot of that was from Bradley, Beverly, and Harrell.

I'm after guys who can change our identity more than a specific position. I'd actually prefer another wing/forward type player, but there isnt really one who fits that mold available.

We've got the core in place. Realistically we have 3 solid all star type players, we've got 3 more nice role players in bogdan/Giles/Barnes. I mostly want to bring in guys who fit in this puzzle.

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[becorz]

What do you all think of Thaddeus Young? Put him, Barnes, and Bagley out there, you can get real switch-y on defense.