2022-2023 Trade thread

[LightTheBeam]

Sorry, should have added, the right target is sitting in front of us and we've all known it in some capacity so Monte surely does. It's Mason Plumlee.
You won't get a back up 5 that is as much plug-and-play compared with Sabonis as him. With the news Charlotte is selling there is a deal to be made.

I've been on this wagon all season. In the off-season people were talking about Holmes for Plumlee as more of a dump for Sac with assets coming back to us. Plumlee was fantastic behind Jokic as a guy who played the same style. I really think Holmes can get back to what he was in Charlotte with Melo. And I've personally always liked Charlotte and want to see both them and Holmes succeed.

Plumlee for Holmes + 2 2nds would be my offer.

Only question is does Charlotte still feel like they may need a center. Richards looked really good earlier in the season, although now he seems to be getting DNPs. And Mark Williams is starting to play a lot more and is healthy recently.

Still like the trade for both. Charlotte probably will look to focus on developing Williams, while having Richaun as a great locker room guy to play 25mpg the next 2 seasons. Bring back Bridges, move off Hayward/Rozier, draft a young stud guard to go with Melo, and suddenly you are back to having a fast athletic young rotation that fits together.

[codydaze]

Lets go got my username changed! LTB!

About John Collins. I was way off that train this off-season, and I couldn't be further off it this year.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/atlanta-hawks/john-collins-23614/

3 more years between 25.3 and 26.6?

It's not like he's a good defender. And hes going to have the same if not less offensive opportunity in Sac. Seems like a horrendous use of money/assets.

RIP RipPizzaGuy

Its been almost 10 years since Thomas left Sac. It was time for a change lol

I still remember being in Vegas for Summer League when that deal went down and just happened to be sitting next to some dude that worked for the Suns organization. He was like, "yikes, sorry bro."

[OxAndFox]

Sorry, should have added, the right target is sitting in front of us and we've all known it in some capacity so Monte surely does. It's Mason Plumlee.
You won't get a back up 5 that is as much plug-and-play compared with Sabonis as him. With the news Charlotte is selling there is a deal to be made.

I've been on this wagon all season. In the off-season people were talking about Holmes for Plumlee as more of a dump for Sac with assets coming back to us. Plumlee was fantastic behind Jokic as a guy who played the same style. I really think Holmes can get back to what he was in Charlotte with Melo. And I've personally always liked Charlotte and want to see both them and Holmes succeed.

Plumlee for Holmes + 2 2nds would be my offer.

Only question is does Charlotte still feel like they may need a center. Richards looked really good earlier in the season, although now he seems to be getting DNPs. And Mark Williams is starting to play a lot more and is healthy recently.

Still like the trade for both. Charlotte probably will look to focus on developing Williams, while having Richaun as a great locker room guy to play 25mpg the next 2 seasons. Bring back Bridges, move off Hayward/Rozier, draft a young stud guard to go with Melo, and suddenly you are back to having a fast athletic young rotation that fits together.

Agreed. The thing with Holmes is depending on where he goes and what the team intends to do with him is going to dictate the contract.
I honestly view a Hornets trade where Holmes' salary is ending after next season. I don't see him opting into his deal if he is playing well. He will be at the age where one more contract is all he is going to get so a 3/26-30m deal from someone (which won't seem like much at the time) might be better than a 1/14.8m deal.
That is all dependent on him playing well, and you're absolutely right, with Ball and the rest of the Hornets it's a good fit.
Williams isn't ready to take over as the starting 5 either, but in the 24-25 season he would be and by then Holmes would be at worst case scenario a nice expiring contract.

[City of Trees]

Lets go got my username changed! LTB!

About John Collins. I was way off that train this off-season, and I couldn't be further off it this year.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/atlanta-hawks/john-collins-23614/

3 more years between 25.3 and 26.6?

It's not like he's a good defender. And hes going to have the same if not less offensive opportunity in Sac. Seems like a horrendous use of money/assets.

RIP RipPizzaGuy

RIP RipPizzaGuy

[Floody100]

Would love to see you guys trade Barnes for Anunoby.

[OxAndFox]

Would love to see you guys trade Barnes for Anunoby.

Would love to see Toronto accept such trade.

[TorontoBarneys]

Would love to see you guys trade Barnes for Anunoby.

Would love to see Toronto accept such trade.

Sure, we'd be glad to. Just tack Keegan on top of it.

[OxAndFox]

Would love to see you guys trade Barnes for Anunoby.

Would love to see Toronto accept such trade.

Sure, we'd be glad to. Just tack Keegan on top of it.

Oh, you thought I was advocating it could happen? haha

Anyway. Barnes isn't getting traded.
A few weeks ago I was on the Barnes/incentive for Collins track. Now I wouldn't do it straight up, Atlanta would be giving the Kings' pick back in any HB/JC swap. You don't want to lose HB for nothing with his contract, but he's playing that well you need to ride with him and just hope he signs an extension, which I think he will as he seems to be having fun with this group.
After his tough start, he has been great. People said he wouldn't be able to get back to his normal 3pt shooting numbers by the end of the season it was that bad, and he has done it before February.

After the October start - not a small sample size, it's almost half a season (39 games). Low usage player that is excelling on the offensive end.
16.1/4.8/1.5
FG%: .496, 3P%: .403, FT%: .829
Usage: 17.8
Offensive Rating: 127.3
Defensive Rating: 117.6

[LightTheBeam]

Lakers just got Rui for Nunn + 2nds. I'm not even the biggest Rui fan but he's a big forward that can hit the 3 ball. At that price I wish the Kings would have been buyers even if it was just a rental.

[Silver Man]

Lakers just got Rui for Nunn + 2nds. I'm not even the biggest Rui fan but he's a big forward that can hit the 3 ball. At that price I wish the Kings would have been buyers even if it was just a rental.

For from the value some Wizards fans thought they could get for Rui.

[LightTheBeam]

Lakers just got Rui for Nunn + 2nds. I'm not even the biggest Rui fan but he's a big forward that can hit the 3 ball. At that price I wish the Kings would have been buyers even if it was just a rental.

For from the value some Wizards fans thought they could get for Rui.

I thought it was pretty clear he wasn't worth much. Had this convo with my brother a few weeks back. Expiring deal, hasn't really improved much since his rookie year, missed significant time every year. Probably won't be worth his next contract for a team like Sac, but a team like the Lakers may sign him to the next Monk, Lonnie, Nunn type deal. They always seem to be able to get guys coming off their rookie deal at a bargain as they play for their next deals.

All that said, even in his current form, I think he presents an upgrade to the Sac bench. Since we usually don't use our 2nds I wouldn't have minded us getting involved. Maybe Monte has a different/better target in mind?

[OxAndFox]

Lakers just got Rui for Nunn + 2nds. I'm not even the biggest Rui fan but he's a big forward that can hit the 3 ball. At that price I wish the Kings would have been buyers even if it was just a rental.

For from the value some Wizards fans thought they could get for Rui.

I thought it was pretty clear he wasn't worth much. Had this convo with my brother a few weeks back. Expiring deal, hasn't really improved much since his rookie year, missed significant time every year. Probably won't be worth his next contract for a team like Sac, but a team like the Lakers may sign him to the next Monk, Lonnie, Nunn type deal. They always seem to be able to get guys coming off their rookie deal at a bargain as they play for their next deals.

All that said, even in his current form, I think he presents an upgrade to the Sac bench. Since we usually don't use our 2nds I wouldn't have minded us getting involved. Maybe Monte has a different/better target in mind?

I would have to think it was against Monte's direction, but he would sure help more than the guys we would have traded.
Also, I'm thinking the Wizards didn't want Davis/Len or even a 2 for 1 swap as we didn't have anyone the fit a 1 for 1 trade.

I had the feeling Monte was feeling good about the position, not totally of course, but right now this team needs better perimeter defense and 1 physical big man.

[City of Trees]

HB is here to stay

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[blind prophet]

HB is here to stay

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I highly doubt we'd get a Free Agent as good as him & fits as well. Hopefully his contract is decent.

[codydaze]

Stein mentioned teams are monitoring Holmes as a potential buyout candidate. Unless we desperately needed the roster spot for a big trade, I think that would be a dumb move. Just can't see it happening.

[MrDollarBills]

Stein mentioned teams are monitoring Holmes as a potential buyout candidate. Unless we desperately needed the roster spot for a big trade, I think that would be a dumb move. Just can't see it happening.

We were just talking about this on the Nets board, we need a back up C badly. Is there any reason why Holmes' mins have been cut so much this year?

Would you guys be open to trading him? What's the price tag?

[Kabaum]

What do you guys think of Mo Bamba and what do you think it would take to get him? He's a decent rebounder but I think he could be a good rim protector plus he's a career 36% shooter from 3pt so he could stretch it out and play with Sabonis on offense.

[codydaze]

Stein mentioned teams are monitoring Holmes as a potential buyout candidate. Unless we desperately needed the roster spot for a big trade, I think that would be a dumb move. Just can't see it happening.

We were just talking about this on the Nets board, we need a back up C badly. Is there any reason why Holmes' mins have been cut so much this year?

Would you guys be open to trading him? What's the price tag?

He's definitely on the block. He's still a very productive player when given the opportunity, he just doesn't really fit what we're doing anymore. When we had Haliburton, they had an amazing two man game off pick and rolls that would set him up with easy baskets but we run a much heavier read and react type offense now with a lot of dribble hand off action and that's not where he thrives. He plays with a ton of energy so I can see him definitely working with Brooklyn's roster.

He's a pretty good rebounder and can get weakside blocks but he's a bit undersized so his post defense is limited. His contract is going to be a tough thing to move too, he's owed ~12.5 million per through 2025.

[City of Trees]

Stein mentioned teams are monitoring Holmes as a potential buyout candidate. Unless we desperately needed the roster spot for a big trade, I think that would be a dumb move. Just can't see it happening.

Buyout? I think there's a better chance Kings get two All Star starters.

[MrDollarBills]

Stein mentioned teams are monitoring Holmes as a potential buyout candidate. Unless we desperately needed the roster spot for a big trade, I think that would be a dumb move. Just can't see it happening.

We were just talking about this on the Nets board, we need a back up C badly. Is there any reason why Holmes' mins have been cut so much this year?

Would you guys be open to trading him? What's the price tag?

He's definitely on the block. He's still a very productive player when given the opportunity, he just doesn't really fit what we're doing anymore. When we had Haliburton, they had an amazing two man game off pick and rolls that would set him up with easy baskets but we run a much heavier read and react type offense now with a lot of dribble hand off action and that's not where he thrives. He plays with a ton of energy so I can see him definitely working with Brooklyn's roster.

He's a pretty good rebounder and can get weakside blocks but he's a bit undersized so his post defense is limited. His contract is going to be a tough thing to move too, he's owed ~12.5 million per through 2025.

thanks for the feedback. I had Holmes on a fantasy roster over the last few years so I know he can be productive if healthy. I didn't know he was making that much money though, yikes. I'm not sure how we would be able to make a trade work numbers wise

Either way, I'm really glad to see that you guys are trending upwards this season, I know it hasn't been easy for your fanbase.