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Kings 3-0 since Bagley's return from injury 

Post#1 » by nolang1 » Thu May 6, 2021 1:18 am

3-0 and now he has 24 points at halftime as they lead the Pacers. So he's ruining the tank and then he's also apparently a malevolent influence in the community according to some people (just ignore that the Kings just traded for a guy who got arrested for domestic abuse). The Kings are 10-15 without him and 20-25 in games he's played, so clearly he's the #1 problem with the organization or something.
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Re: Kings 3-0 since Bagley's return from injury 

Post#2 » by kalenclayton » Thu May 6, 2021 4:55 pm

nolang1 wrote:3-0 and now he has 24 points at halftime as they lead the Pacers. So he's ruining the tank and then he's also apparently a malevolent influence in the community according to some people (just ignore that the Kings just traded for a guy who got arrested for domestic abuse). The Kings are 10-15 without him and 20-25 in games he's played, so clearly he's the #1 problem with the organization or something.

He’s been the scapegoat when there have been bigger issues like Walton and, more importantly, Vivek sticking around. Bagley has warts and everyone acknowledges that. Some just take that a little too far and decide he’s trash. He’s not. He’s currently limited, but he is definitely an NBA player and he belongs. I’ve had to resort to defending the guy multiple times here and on the T&T board because he gets way too much hate. Was he worth the 2nd pick? Absolutely not. Should we be measuring him up against that pick? No. We are far removed from that time so we need to focus on what we have. He can contribute and possibly be part of the future. Hold him accountable, but don’t trash the guy.
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Re: Kings 3-0 since Bagley's return from injury 

Post#3 » by graymule » Thu May 6, 2021 6:04 pm

:D

Winning isn't everything but it sure beats losing! Enjoy each and every victory. They are not easy to come by.
Every NBA teams have problems. Some just have more than others. Grow your own takes time. Question is,
will the Kings be better next season? They should be. If not, why not?

High draft picks are great. Wise draft picks are even greater. Sometimes, really good players come in the
second round. Sometimes 1st round picks just don't become stars.

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Re: Kings 3-0 since Bagley's return from injury 

Post#4 » by RipPizzaGuy » Fri May 7, 2021 8:33 pm

I like Bagley. He overlaps way too much with Barnes on the offensive end.

Bagley obviously has the higher ceiling, and Barnes probably has more value to the league.

If I'm in Montes shoes, I'm moving Barnes this summer no matter what. My 1st call is NYK, I ask how they feel about taking Barnes/Buddy with only sending us back Knox. Then SA with the same question. If we can dump both of them together, then we resign Davis, Holmes, bring in our 1st round pick, and have a lot more flexibility which Monte preached last offseason.

If we can't do that, then I shift to trading Barnes for the best prospect/pick I can find. It was a big mistake to turn down the Boston offer. We would have gotten Nesmith + 1st + cleared the cap room for Holmes in 1 swoop. Now its very unlikely that is still on the table, and they moved the TPE so at minimum we are now eating Thompson.

The Bulls are clearly trying to win, I don't think Williams value dropped that much, but man if we could swing Barnes + Something for Aminu + Williams, that would be truly amazing. Who knows with the Bulls, they may feel the pressure to win with Vuc/Lavine.
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Re: Kings 3-0 since Bagley's return from injury 

Post#5 » by basketballRob » Sat May 8, 2021 7:18 pm

RipPizzaGuy wrote:I like Bagley. He overlaps way too much with Barnes on the offensive end.

Bagley obviously has the higher ceiling, and Barnes probably has more value to the league.

If I'm in Montes shoes, I'm moving Barnes this summer no matter what. My 1st call is NYK, I ask how they feel about taking Barnes/Buddy with only sending us back Knox. Then SA with the same question. If we can dump both of them together, then we resign Davis, Holmes, bring in our 1st round pick, and have a lot more flexibility which Monte preached last offseason.

If we can't do that, then I shift to trading Barnes for the best prospect/pick I can find. It was a big mistake to turn down the Boston offer. We would have gotten Nesmith + 1st + cleared the cap room for Holmes in 1 swoop. Now its very unlikely that is still on the table, and they moved the TPE so at minimum we are now eating Thompson.

The Bulls are clearly trying to win, I don't think Williams value dropped that much, but man if we could swing Barnes + Something for Aminu + Williams, that would be truly amazing. Who knows with the Bulls, they may feel the pressure to win with Vuc/Lavine.
Patrick Williams is probably a future allstar and you want to trade him for a mediocre player? What's going on in Chicago? First they trade WCJ, then I hear they don't like, Coby White, now they don't like Patrick Williams?



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Re: Kings 3-0 since Bagley's return from injury 

Post#6 » by kalenclayton » Sun May 9, 2021 8:35 pm

basketballRob wrote:
RipPizzaGuy wrote:I like Bagley. He overlaps way too much with Barnes on the offensive end.

Bagley obviously has the higher ceiling, and Barnes probably has more value to the league.

If I'm in Montes shoes, I'm moving Barnes this summer no matter what. My 1st call is NYK, I ask how they feel about taking Barnes/Buddy with only sending us back Knox. Then SA with the same question. If we can dump both of them together, then we resign Davis, Holmes, bring in our 1st round pick, and have a lot more flexibility which Monte preached last offseason.

If we can't do that, then I shift to trading Barnes for the best prospect/pick I can find. It was a big mistake to turn down the Boston offer. We would have gotten Nesmith + 1st + cleared the cap room for Holmes in 1 swoop. Now its very unlikely that is still on the table, and they moved the TPE so at minimum we are now eating Thompson.

The Bulls are clearly trying to win, I don't think Williams value dropped that much, but man if we could swing Barnes + Something for Aminu + Williams, that would be truly amazing. Who knows with the Bulls, they may feel the pressure to win with Vuc/Lavine.
Patrick Williams is probably a future allstar and you want to trade him for a mediocre player? What's going on in Chicago? First they trade WCJ, then I hear they don't like, Coby White, now they don't like Patrick Williams?



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I hate being like this, but what makes you think Patrick Williams is a potential future all star. I am legitimately curious. You definitely aren’t the only one, but I’ve been wondering why people think this. At the time of the draft, I thought he was maybe the 11th best prospect at best. I thought he had a high probability of becoming a good role player. I’ve never seen all star potential though.

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