Hansen Yang

[azcatz11]

So is Detroit.

Okay let’s brush aside from the hostility and ask why they took this kid who was a second rounder and not trade back?

I had a first round grade on him. I assume other teams did as well. The answer is they liked him a lot.

Vecenie questioned the pick also. Where on your big board was he? He’s frail and weak. He has no bend. He’s just a good passer

[EvanZ]

Okay let’s brush aside from the hostility and ask why they took this kid who was a second rounder and not trade back?

I had a first round grade on him. I assume other teams did as well. The answer is they liked him a lot.

Vecenie questioned the pick also. Where on your big board was he? He’s frail and weak. He has no bend. He’s just a good passer

I mean people disagree. You didn't think Fears was a legit NBA prospect and he just went #7. Vecenie has tons of bizarre takes all the time. He had Podz going second round. Didn't think he was an NBA player. How do you not understand that? Do you really think that only your opinion matters?

To answer your question I had Hansen 25. 16 is a bit high for me but it's not shocking at all. I was much more surprised by Yanic Konan Niederhauser going in the first round.

[azcatz11]

I had a first round grade on him. I assume other teams did as well. The answer is they liked him a lot.

Vecenie questioned the pick also. Where on your big board was he? He’s frail and weak. He has no bend. He’s just a good passer

I mean people disagree. You didn't think Fears was a legit NBA prospect and he just went #7. Vecenie has tons of bizarre takes all the time. He had Podz going second round. Didn't think he was an NBA player. How do you not understand that? Do you really think that only your opinion matters?

To answer your question I had Hansen 25. 16 is a bit high for me but it's not shocking at all. I was much more surprised by Yanic Konan Niederhauser going in the first round.

I only saw him at the combine. The passing is there but he’s flat footed and can’t move at all. Do you think he’s a rim protector because he led the cba in blocks? Motown Hoops had him in the 40s. I am curious to see how it works for Portland and how he looks in SL

[King Ken]

Vecenie questioned the pick also. Where on your big board was he? He’s frail and weak. He has no bend. He’s just a good passer

I mean people disagree. You didn't think Fears was a legit NBA prospect and he just went #7. Vecenie has tons of bizarre takes all the time. He had Podz going second round. Didn't think he was an NBA player. How do you not understand that? Do you really think that only your opinion matters?

To answer your question I had Hansen 25. 16 is a bit high for me but it's not shocking at all. I was much more surprised by Yanic Konan Niederhauser going in the first round.

I only saw him at the combine. The passing is there but he’s flat footed and can’t move at all. Do you think he’s a rim protector because he led the cba in blocks? Motown Hoops had him in the 40s. I am curious to see how it works for Portland and how he looks in SL

In all fairness, he could have been dealing with jet lag. When I watched his CBA film. I saw some good and a lot of bad but the good had me think he could be a top 10 center in 4 years if it all pans out. Tier 5 for me. Too far from being NBA ready.

[BigGargamel]

Slight reach maybe, but I had him at the very end of the first round during my last mock, so not that terrible. Once you get past the top 10 or 12 whats the point of trading down to get a second round pick or something and perhaps miss out on some guy you want? Pick 16 or pick 30, who really cares.

[azcatz11]

I mean people disagree. You didn't think Fears was a legit NBA prospect and he just went #7. Vecenie has tons of bizarre takes all the time. He had Podz going second round. Didn't think he was an NBA player. How do you not understand that? Do you really think that only your opinion matters?

To answer your question I had Hansen 25. 16 is a bit high for me but it's not shocking at all. I was much more surprised by Yanic Konan Niederhauser going in the first round.

I only saw him at the combine. The passing is there but he’s flat footed and can’t move at all. Do you think he’s a rim protector because he led the cba in blocks? Motown Hoops had him in the 40s. I am curious to see how it works for Portland and how he looks in SL

In all fairness, he could have been dealing with jet lag. When I watched his CBA film. I saw some good and a lot of bad but the good had me think he could be a top 10 center in 4 years if it all pans out. Tier 5 for me. Too far from being NBA ready.

Would you rather have yang or queen

[EvanZ]

Vecenie questioned the pick also. Where on your big board was he? He’s frail and weak. He has no bend. He’s just a good passer

I mean people disagree. You didn't think Fears was a legit NBA prospect and he just went #7. Vecenie has tons of bizarre takes all the time. He had Podz going second round. Didn't think he was an NBA player. How do you not understand that? Do you really think that only your opinion matters?

To answer your question I had Hansen 25. 16 is a bit high for me but it's not shocking at all. I was much more surprised by Yanic Konan Niederhauser going in the first round.

I only saw him at the combine. The passing is there but he’s flat footed and can’t move at all. Do you think he’s a rim protector because he led the cba in blocks? Motown Hoops had him in the 40s. I am curious to see how it works for Portland and how he looks in SL

I just disagree with your eyes. To my eyes he moves surprisingly well. He's going to protect the rim as much as any giant human would. Is he going to be good enough at all these things? Maybe? But like, that's why we have a Draft my brother in Christ. It's to figure this **** out. Sometimes I'm wrong. Sometimes you're wrong. Sometimes "Motown Hoops" (who the f cares) is wrong. Sometimes Vecenie is wrong. Do you know of anyone who is 100% right all the time about every single prospect and we can call them the "Oracle of the Draft"? I mean if you know of such an entity for the love of god, we would love to know it.

I don't think you do though, because you are often wrong (like about Fears not being an NBA prospect). In the meantime all of us are giving our opinions about what we think, not about what we think you want to hear.

[BlazersBroncos]

FWIW - his athletic testing was arguably better than every C drafted in R1 this year.

Yang - 20yo / 7'2.25 / 7'2.25 WS / 253lbs / 30" Max Vert / 11.79 lane agility / 3.01 shuttle / 3.38 3/4 sprint / 9'3 standing reach
Maluach - 18.75yo / 7'2 / 7'6.75WS / 253lbs / 30" Max Vert / 12.05 lane agility / 3.44 shuttle / 3.50 3/4 sprint / 9'6 standing reach
Queen - 20.5yo / 6'10.5 / 7'0.5 WS / 248lbs / 28" Max Vert / 12.45 lane agility / 3.27 shuttle / 3.52 3/4 sprint / 9'1.5 standing reach
Sorber - 19.5yo / 6'10.5 / 7'6 WS / 263lbs - no athletic testing
Wolf - 21yo / 6'11.75 / 7'2.25 WS / 252lbs / 30" Max Vert / 11.26 lane agility / 2.91 shuttle / 3.51 3/4 sprint / 9'1 standing reach

Not unicorn numbers but for a guy his size he can move. Sorta wild how much better he tested than Maluach. Queen is the plodder here.

[King Ken]

I only saw him at the combine. The passing is there but he’s flat footed and can’t move at all. Do you think he’s a rim protector because he led the cba in blocks? Motown Hoops had him in the 40s. I am curious to see how it works for Portland and how he looks in SL

In all fairness, he could have been dealing with jet lag. When I watched his CBA film. I saw some good and a lot of bad but the good had me think he could be a top 10 center in 4 years if it all pans out. Tier 5 for me. Too far from being NBA ready.

Would you rather have yang or queen

Queen by a significant margin. I believe Queen is a prototype that's much more rare once his shot comes and he's giving the rights to be his team's primary ball handler.

[JRoy]

In all fairness, he could have been dealing with jet lag. When I watched his CBA film. I saw some good and a lot of bad but the good had me think he could be a top 10 center in 4 years if it all pans out. Tier 5 for me. Too far from being NBA ready.

Would you rather have yang or queen

Queen by a significant margin. I believe Queen is a prototype that's much more rare once his shot comes and he's giving the rights to be his team's primary ball handler.

You think Queen is going to be a primary ball handler?

[NO-KG-AI]

I don’t hate it for Portland. They have two super giants with talent. If one turns into a superstar, he gets big minutes. If both end up just ok, you still have 48 fresh minutes of huge, skilled guys. If one is a total bust, the other plays. In the rare event they both play like stars, move one for a package. If they both bust, it doesn’t matter what position they paid.

[One_and_Done]

I agree Vecenie has no idea much of the time, but this still seems like a big reach.

[Blaze the Nugz]

Vecenie questioned the pick also. Where on your big board was he? He’s frail and weak. He has no bend. He’s just a good passer

I mean people disagree. You didn't think Fears was a legit NBA prospect and he just went #7. Vecenie has tons of bizarre takes all the time. He had Podz going second round. Didn't think he was an NBA player. How do you not understand that? Do you really think that only your opinion matters?

To answer your question I had Hansen 25. 16 is a bit high for me but it's not shocking at all. I was much more surprised by Yanic Konan Niederhauser going in the first round.

I only saw him at the combine. The passing is there but he’s flat footed and can’t move at all. Do you think he’s a rim protector because he led the cba in blocks? Motown Hoops had him in the 40s. I am curious to see how it works for Portland and how he looks in SL

Watch some tape. You'll find that he's shockingly agile in quick little bursts. He can close out on a three point shooter and recover from the blow by to get the block. 16 definitely feels high but that's just because experts who are unaffiliated with NBA teams had him as a second round pick.

[EvanZ]

I agree Vecenie has no idea much of the time, but this still seems like a big reach.

I think Niederhauser was a bigger reach.

[King Ken]

Would you rather have yang or queen

Queen by a significant margin. I believe Queen is a prototype that's much more rare once his shot comes and he's giving the rights to be his team's primary ball handler.

You think Queen is going to be a primary ball handler?

I think he could eventually develop into that. The unseen heliocentric center. His shooting isn't there yet and that's the thing, it's critical to the prototype. You don't have to be a good shooter, just have to do it enough to where it's respectable to setup the dribble drive. What's unique about Queen is once that happens, all other aspects that's already there will blossom even more than what we have seen so far. That's why I am buying Queen as a long term play. For now, he's a solid 6th man. Good offensive player even as a rookie who struggles lots on defense but give it 4 years, he will be a negative on D but closer to net neutral. People have to give both of these players time. They are far from where they could be considering their unique talents.

[RollingWave]

Every year there are consensus top five guys that end up being relatively or total busts and every year there’s at least a few second rounders that end up having a career, so inherently people needs to be humble enough in that teams and experts can easily be wrong, let alone the amateurs

As for Yang we will see, the training programs in China has been poor and the separation gotten further with the us in the last 15-20 years, so if you want to look on the bright side if you’re worried about his athleticism reaching the minimum threshold maybe once he gets into the NBA program it might improve more than you’d think

On the tape his spin moves are pretty legit and he is like Jokic in the sense that he will definitely go at you if you’re just switching a smaller guy on him, in the CBA alot of times he’s guarded by ex NBA guys so you’d think he should be fine against most backup bigs

Given the size and skill you’d think teams will have a hard time just single covering him and once you double the pass really comes into play, offensively I think it’ll work fine as long as you can actually space the floor ok

Defensively the concern is legit but he is 7’2 and certainly not a noodle and his reaction looks a lot faster than Zhou Qi did, if the bar is can he be a backup we need to remember he’s going up against plenty of guys that might end up in China too

[God Squad]

I think he's better than Maluach. Take that as you may.

[EvanZ]

Queen by a significant margin. I believe Queen is a prototype that's much more rare once his shot comes and he's giving the rights to be his team's primary ball handler.

You think Queen is going to be a primary ball handler?

I think he could eventually develop into that. The unseen heliocentric center. His shooting isn't there yet and that's the thing, it's critical to the prototype. You don't have to be a good shooter, just have to do it enough to where it's respectable to setup the dribble drive. What's unique about Queen is once that happens, all other aspects that's already there will blossom even more than what we have seen so far. That's why I am buying Queen as a long term play. For now, he's a solid 6th man. Good offensive player even as a rookie who struggles lots on defense but give it 4 years, he will be a negative on D but closer to net neutral. People have to give both of these players time. They are far from where they could be considering their unique talents.

Congrats on describing the career arc of Julius Randle.

[ReggiesKnicks]

You think Queen is going to be a primary ball handler?

I think he could eventually develop into that. The unseen heliocentric center. His shooting isn't there yet and that's the thing, it's critical to the prototype. You don't have to be a good shooter, just have to do it enough to where it's respectable to setup the dribble drive. What's unique about Queen is once that happens, all other aspects that's already there will blossom even more than what we have seen so far. That's why I am buying Queen as a long term play. For now, he's a solid 6th man. Good offensive player even as a rookie who struggles lots on defense but give it 4 years, he will be a negative on D but closer to net neutral. People have to give both of these players time. They are far from where they could be considering their unique talents.

Congrats on describing the career arc of Julius Randle.

I think that is King Ken's point. A 1.5" taller Randle and 0.5" longer wingspan.

Julius Randle is a multi-All-NBA and Top 30-50 player in the NBA.

[EvanZ]

I think he could eventually develop into that. The unseen heliocentric center. His shooting isn't there yet and that's the thing, it's critical to the prototype. You don't have to be a good shooter, just have to do it enough to where it's respectable to setup the dribble drive. What's unique about Queen is once that happens, all other aspects that's already there will blossom even more than what we have seen so far. That's why I am buying Queen as a long term play. For now, he's a solid 6th man. Good offensive player even as a rookie who struggles lots on defense but give it 4 years, he will be a negative on D but closer to net neutral. People have to give both of these players time. They are far from where they could be considering their unique talents.

Congrats on describing the career arc of Julius Randle.

I think that is King Ken's point. A 1.5" taller Randle and 0.5" longer wingspan.

Julius Randle is a multi-All-NBA and Top 30-50 player in the NBA.

On his 4th team and they still want to trade his ass. But fine, Randle is whatever and he eventually did help a team win. But do you think Julius Randle and Zion Williamson would be a good match playing together?