Who is the best shot-creator outside the top 6?

[Charm]

I haven't seen enough of Cameron Thomas yet to judge but that's the exact type of response I'm looking for in this thread

Here he is vs. a very good Michigan defense in the tournament. That's one of 16 games this season in which he scored 25+, so a pretty typical day at the office for him. LSU ranked 5th in the country in offensive efficiency according to Kenpom, and that's largely because Thomas was just an unstoppable scorer.

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Man, this dude looks like a lottery pick. Only 19, already with an NBA frame/body, looks like a beast on that smooth C&S jumper off the curl, step back 3, blocking dude's jump shots..

This draft class is so deep.

Yup...here's a complete list of major-conference freshmen who averaged 20+ ppg (in order by ppg average):

Trae Young - #5 pick
Michael Beasley - #2 pick
Kevin Durant - #2 pick
Markelle Fultz - #1 pick
Cameron Thomas - ???
R.J. Barrett - #3 pick
Zion Williamson - #1 pick
Carmelo Anthony - #3 pick
Michael Redd - #43 pick
Kris Humphries - #14 pick
Shareef Abdur-Rahim - #3 pick
Marvin Bagley - #2 pick
Eric Gordon - #7 pick
OJ Mayo - #3 pick
Allen Iverson - #1 pick
Sharife Cooper - ???
Deandre Ayton - #1 pick
Cade Cunningham - ???
Jamal Murray - #7 pick

Pretty crazy that in this draft we have 3 players on that list (most drafts had 0 or 1), and 2 of them have a very real chance of falling out of the lottery, which has only happened once before. And that doesn't include Green (18 ppg in G-League) and Sengun (19 ppg in Turkey) who very likely would've averaged 20+ ppg had they gone they NCAA route. Deep draft for sure.

[EMG518]

I think Cam Thomas already as a fresman is better than Bouknight as a scorer.

I think Keon Johnson is going to develop into a scorer, aka what happened with Oladipo. Jaden Springer I think will also develop into a scorer. Jared Butler for some reason gets completely overlooked. I think he can come in right now and put up 20 on a team.

[Nuntius]

Is James Bouknight indisputably the best shot-creator in this class outside the top 6 or are there players who are mocked lower than him that could potentially have equal or even better shot-creating ability?

well who are the top-6 players? i think we have settled on the top-4 (though i did see 1 mock had Barnes in the top-4), but who are you saying are those next 2, that we are looking outside of?

Cade, Mobley, Suggs, Green, Kuminga and Barnes are generally considered to be the top 6. That's what most mock drafts that I've seen in the past month are saying.

[Nuntius]

I think Cam Thomas already as a fresman is better than Bouknight as a scorer.

I think Keon Johnson is going to develop into a scorer, aka what happened with Oladipo. Jaden Springer I think will also develop into a scorer. Jared Butler for some reason gets completely overlooked. I think he can come in right now and put up 20 on a team.

I have high hopes for Keon Johnson as well. He's one of the guys I like the most for my Pacers at #13. IF he develops into a scorer, he'll be amazing.

Springer is interesting as well and I like his defense a lot. A bit handsy, though, and he could end up getting into foul trouble, limiting his playing time.

Butler, I really like. I hope that his health issues aren't that serious and that they can be resolved. Even if he has to stop playing basketball, living a long and happy life is more important.

[EvanZ]

I think it will end up either Springer, Cam Thomas or Jaygup.

[Wizop]

Butler has been cleared so he's on this list now.

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[stormi]

Tre Mann rather easily

[Almost Retired]

Tre Mann rather easily

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I would agree. Which is why I think Mann goes mid First Round.

[SeattleJazzFan]

I haven't seen enough of Cameron Thomas yet to judge but that's the exact type of response I'm looking for in this thread

Here he is vs. a very good Michigan defense in the tournament. That's one of 16 games this season in which he scored 25+, so a pretty typical day at the office for him. LSU ranked 5th in the country in offensive efficiency according to Kenpom, and that's largely because Thomas was just an unstoppable scorer.

Watch on YouTube

Man, this dude looks like a lottery pick. Only 19, already with an NBA frame/body, looks like a beast on that smooth C&S jumper off the curl, step back 3, blocking dude's jump shots..

This draft class is so deep.

he looks like a lottery pick because guys don't miss in highlights. dude shot 40% FGs and 32% 3pt. yeah, he can get shots up, but if they don't go in, that's a problem. was just a frosh, so plenty of room for improvement so i'm not saying he can't be good, but a highlight video is even more misleading on a guy like him than most.

[Charm]

Here he is vs. a very good Michigan defense in the tournament. That's one of 16 games this season in which he scored 25+, so a pretty typical day at the office for him. LSU ranked 5th in the country in offensive efficiency according to Kenpom, and that's largely because Thomas was just an unstoppable scorer.

Watch on YouTube

Man, this dude looks like a lottery pick. Only 19, already with an NBA frame/body, looks like a beast on that smooth C&S jumper off the curl, step back 3, blocking dude's jump shots..

This draft class is so deep.

he looks like a lottery pick because guys don't miss in highlights. dude shot 40% FGs and 32% 3pt. yeah, he can get shots up, but if they don't go in, that's a problem. was just a frosh, so plenty of room for improvement so i'm not saying he can't be good, but a highlight video is even more misleading on a guy like him than most.

55.3% true shooting ain't bad. For comparison you have Christopher at 52.9%, Bouknight at 54.6%, and Cade at 57.4%.

[SeattleJazzFan]

Man, this dude looks like a lottery pick. Only 19, already with an NBA frame/body, looks like a beast on that smooth C&S jumper off the curl, step back 3, blocking dude's jump shots..

This draft class is so deep.

he looks like a lottery pick because guys don't miss in highlights. dude shot 40% FGs and 32% 3pt. yeah, he can get shots up, but if they don't go in, that's a problem. was just a frosh, so plenty of room for improvement so i'm not saying he can't be good, but a highlight video is even more misleading on a guy like him than most.

55.3% true shooting ain't bad. For comparison you have Christopher at 52.9%, Bouknight at 54.6%, and Cade at 57.4%.

that's a good point. the 55% TS is okay.

[tmorgan]

Hyland’s my pick for steal in this draft, relative to where he’s likely to go, so he’s my answer. Seems to want it, which matters a lot. Hoping the Pistons trade into the late first and nab him.

[Nuntius]

Hyland’s my pick for steal in this draft, relative to where he’s likely to go, so he’s my answer. Seems to want it, which matters a lot. Hoping the Pistons trade into the late first and nab him.

He definitely has ridiculous range from 3 but I'm afraid that he doesn't have the handles to be a big-time shot-creator.

[Wizop]

Hyland’s my pick for steal in this draft, relative to where he’s likely to go, so he’s my answer. Seems to want it, which matters a lot. Hoping the Pistons trade into the late first and nab him.

He definitely has ridiculous range from 3 but I'm afraid that he doesn't have the handles to be a big-time shot-creator.

don't forget that moving without the ball can also get you an open shot. did Reggie Miller or Rip Hamilton have great handles?

[Nuntius]

Hyland’s my pick for steal in this draft, relative to where he’s likely to go, so he’s my answer. Seems to want it, which matters a lot. Hoping the Pistons trade into the late first and nab him.

He definitely has ridiculous range from 3 but I'm afraid that he doesn't have the handles to be a big-time shot-creator.

don't forget that moving without the ball can also get you an open shot. did Reggie Miller or Rip Hamilton have great handles?

True, movement shooting is important and he does seem to have that.

But, you know, both Warren and Doug are good off-ball players and Warren averaged nearly 20 PPG the year before his injury and we still don't consider them true #1 options. I just don't think that Hyland projects as that guy. I could be wrong, though.

[3toheadmelo]

Hyland’s my pick for steal in this draft, relative to where he’s likely to go, so he’s my answer. Seems to want it, which matters a lot. Hoping the Pistons trade into the late first and nab him.

He definitely has ridiculous range from 3 but I'm afraid that he doesn't have the handles to be a big-time shot-creator.

I think he does. I believe he ranked in the 85th percentile in isolation scoring this season

[Nuntius]

Hyland’s my pick for steal in this draft, relative to where he’s likely to go, so he’s my answer. Seems to want it, which matters a lot. Hoping the Pistons trade into the late first and nab him.

He definitely has ridiculous range from 3 but I'm afraid that he doesn't have the handles to be a big-time shot-creator.

I think he does. I believe he ranked in the 85th percentile in isolation scoring this season

Wasn't it mostly jumpers, though? If he cannot drive into the lane at the NBA level will he be able to create shots?

[3toheadmelo]

He definitely has ridiculous range from 3 but I'm afraid that he doesn't have the handles to be a big-time shot-creator.

I think he does. I believe he ranked in the 85th percentile in isolation scoring this season

Wasn't it mostly jumpers, though? If he cannot drive into the lane at the NBA level will he be able to create shots?

He can drive for sure. He’s a crafty finisher. He shot 55.4% at the rim which is pretty good for a guard. Just needs to bulk up more

[Nuntius]

I think he does. I believe he ranked in the 85th percentile in isolation scoring this season

Wasn't it mostly jumpers, though? If he cannot drive into the lane at the NBA level will he be able to create shots?

He can drive for sure. He’s a crafty finisher. He shot 55.4% at the rim which is pretty good for a guard. Just needs to bulk up more

He was able to do it in college, yes, but I'm not sure if that can translate to the NBA level. Then again, I'm far from a draft expert. All of my views on draftees are shaped by scouting videos I've watched on YouTube. I can be 100% wrong in my assessments.

[3toheadmelo]

Wasn't it mostly jumpers, though? If he cannot drive into the lane at the NBA level will he be able to create shots?

He can drive for sure. He’s a crafty finisher. He shot 55.4% at the rim which is pretty good for a guard. Just needs to bulk up more

He was able to do it in college, yes, but I'm not sure if that can translate to the NBA level. Then again, I'm far from a draft expert. All of my views on draftees are shaped by scouting videos I've watched on YouTube. I can be 100% wrong in my assessments.

I can be 100% wrong too for sure. Imo I think he is one of the best shot creators in the draft though. Would love my Knicks to get him if we don’t trade our picks for Sexton