What player do you have a stronger negative/ positive opinion on vs majority?

[BlazersBroncos]

POSITIVE
Matas Buzelis F - I believe he is the best prospect in this class and should be the clear cut #1. His athletic numbers are elite for his size, his shot mechanics are fine, he has flashed as a secondary playmaker and can both finish and lead a transition. He has Batum with a better motor / competitive streak upside. COMP - Detlef Schrempf

I agree, leaning towards selecting him #1 on my mock draft, and I also thought about a mixture of Schrempf & Hedo, with more athletisicm, as a COMP.

Ya, I believe he will have higher 3PT volume than Detlef and more BPG - but dont believe he is the same passer (Nor given the same opportunities to be a near lead ballhandler as Detlef did some years). Detlef had a 6apg year and a few at 4.5apg - I think Matas is more of a 3-3.5 apg guy if he pans out.

Dont think Matas has the efficiency Detlef did w/ his near 50% FG% and numerous 80+ FT% years. See him as more in the 45% and 75% range there w/ a 35% 3PT shot - but w/ better blocks (1.5) and rebounding (7-8).

So basically I think the optimal outcome for Matas is a elite 3rd option who may have some in his corner for a 2nd option, but that his value would scale down if given too much usage / leaned on too much. 18ppg / 7-8rpg / 3-3.5apg / 1.5bpg / 1spg / 45% FG / 35% 3PT / 75% FT w/ positional versatility on defense and while playing within the 'flow' of an offense rather than ball stop.

A bigger Deni is another comparison, but with better athleticism and IMO much more capable of scoring off cuts and such.

[Big J]

Bronny. I am buying every word that Rich Paul has said about him.

[Rustyman]

Well, I've looked into their respective strength & agility tests on the combine:

Lane agility time: 12.85 (RG), 12.06 (DC)
Shuttle run: 3.19 (RG), 3.38 (DC)
3/4 sprint: 3.57 (RG), 3.46 (DC)
standing vert: 25 (RG), 25.5 (DC)
Max vert: 29 for both


Do you find any significance in that, or do you think that the eye test is more than enough?

I do admit that Clingan's stamina scares me. I've looked into other, similar size centers who made it to the NBA, and the most comparable one that I've found so far (comparing freshman & sophmore years only, of course) was Roy Hibbert.

Agility tests are one thing. Clingan outweighs Rudy by 40+ pounds. He is not going to have the same agility in a body which is 280 pounds plus. Then as you mentioned the stamina issues. Shaq was the only guy in the last 30+ years who had an enormous body and the ability to play at a consistently high-level with that. I don't think Clingan is a Shaq type athlete.

People knock Edey because of his size. Clingan is 15 pounds and and a couple of inches shorter than Edey. Why wouldn't the same criticisms apply to both. With Edey at least I know he has some offensive talent. With Clingan I know he has defensive talent. Everything outside that is simply projection on what they have shown to date and there is no guarantee for either.

[Cammo101]

The guy I seem to be more bullish on than most is Ron Holland. I think people are picking him apart far too harshly given the crap-show that was his team last year. His combination of motor, athleticism, and defensive tenacity leads me to believe he will figure the rest out.

The guy I seem to be significantly lower on than most is Kyshawn George. I don't see it with him. Mediocre athlete with low basketball IQ. Solid shooter, but not enough for that to be a calling card. I just don't see the role he plays at the next level.

[Cammo101]

Well, I've looked into their respective strength & agility tests on the combine:

Lane agility time: 12.85 (RG), 12.06 (DC)
Shuttle run: 3.19 (RG), 3.38 (DC)
3/4 sprint: 3.57 (RG), 3.46 (DC)
standing vert: 25 (RG), 25.5 (DC)
Max vert: 29 for both


Do you find any significance in that, or do you think that the eye test is more than enough?

I do admit that Clingan's stamina scares me. I've looked into other, similar size centers who made it to the NBA, and the most comparable one that I've found so far (comparing freshman & sophmore years only, of course) was Roy Hibbert.

Agility tests are one thing. Clingan outweighs Rudy by 40+ pounds. He is not going to have the same agility in a body which is 280 pounds plus. Then as you mentioned the stamina issues. Shaq was the only guy in the last 30+ years who had an enormous body and the ability to play at a consistently high-level with that. I don't think Clingan is a Shaq type athlete.

People knock Edey because of his size. Clingan is 15 pounds and and a couple of inches shorter than Edey. Why wouldn't the same criticisms apply to both. With Edey at least I know he has some offensive talent. With Clingan I know he has defensive talent. Everything outside that is simply projection on what they have shown to date and there is no guarantee for either.

Except Clingan is a 20 year old sophomore and Edey is a 22 year old senior. I like Edey, but he is much closer to a finished product than Clingan.

[Rustyman]

Agility tests are one thing. Clingan outweighs Rudy by 40+ pounds. He is not going to have the same agility in a body which is 280 pounds plus. Then as you mentioned the stamina issues. Shaq was the only guy in the last 30+ years who had an enormous body and the ability to play at a consistently high-level with that. I don't think Clingan is a Shaq type athlete.

People knock Edey because of his size. Clingan is 15 pounds and and a couple of inches shorter than Edey. Why wouldn't the same criticisms apply to both. With Edey at least I know he has some offensive talent. With Clingan I know he has defensive talent. Everything outside that is simply projection on what they have shown to date and there is no guarantee for either.

Except Clingan is a 20 year old sophomore and Edey is a 22 year old senior. I like Edey, but he is much closer to a finished product than Clingan.

Yep. But Edey only started playing basketball 6 years ago and Clingan has been playing a lot longer. So who has more scope to improve.

From a physical perspective, I agree that Edey has less scope for further development but regarding skills, I would say they are at the same level.

[Telfaire]

Well, I've looked into their respective strength & agility tests on the combine:

Lane agility time: 12.85 (RG), 12.06 (DC)
Shuttle run: 3.19 (RG), 3.38 (DC)
3/4 sprint: 3.57 (RG), 3.46 (DC)
standing vert: 25 (RG), 25.5 (DC)
Max vert: 29 for both


Do you find any significance in that, or do you think that the eye test is more than enough?

I do admit that Clingan's stamina scares me. I've looked into other, similar size centers who made it to the NBA, and the most comparable one that I've found so far (comparing freshman & sophmore years only, of course) was Roy Hibbert.

Agility tests are one thing. Clingan outweighs Rudy by 40+ pounds. He is not going to have the same agility in a body which is 280 pounds plus. Then as you mentioned the stamina issues. Shaq was the only guy in the last 30+ years who had an enormous body and the ability to play at a consistently high-level with that. I don't think Clingan is a Shaq type athlete.

People knock Edey because of his size. Clingan is 15 pounds and and a couple of inches shorter than Edey. Why wouldn't the same criticisms apply to both. With Edey at least I know he has some offensive talent. With Clingan I know he has defensive talent. Everything outside that is simply projection on what they have shown to date and there is no guarantee for either.

Yeah, and at least Edey proved on years 3 & 4 that he can log heavy minutes and workload, while staying durable.
How much weight do you reckon that Clingan could lose once he gets into NBA-level conditioning programs?

[Rustyman]

Yeah, and at least Edey proved on years 3 & 4 that he can log heavy minutes and workload, while staying durable.
How much weight do you reckon that Clingan could lose once he gets into NBA-level conditioning programs?

I honestly think that Clingan should be around 260 if he is to be anything other than a drop big.

I know that people like to dog Rudy but his key advantage is that he is both strong and athletic. People picking up on him not being able to defend Luka have to ask themselves which other big in the league today could defend Luka one on one.

[Chuck Everett]

Jamal Shead carves out a niche in the NBA.

I like Stephon Castle's trajectory a lot more if he ends up in San Antonio. Same for Clingan if he ends up in Houston, San Antonio or Memphis.

I don't like Filipowski under any circumstances, but do concede he can be a Thomas Bryant/Mike Muscala-like player I guess. Not really useful if you're playing for anything.

[BigGargamel]

I like Holland and Cody Williams more than most. I think Cody still ends up going top 5-7. The G-League hurt Holland more than most of their prospects. He's not a great shooter, but works really hard and could be a nice option at power forward like a Jerami Grant type.

I also don't really get the Sheppard and Clingan hype, but this draft is full of question marks. Both of those guys do a thing or two pretty well, and that's enough this year to go in the top five.

[GoBobs]

Clingan and Castle are the most overrated. They are getting a UCONN bump from playing with a bunch of 5th year seniors and being well coached. Clingan has a terrible ft percentage. Castle is a less athletic Cade Cunningham with much worse shooting.

Edey is the best player in the draft and it isn't close.

[GoBobs]

Maybe there is a thread on this already. Just curious what player you like or dislike more than the majority? For example, I know we have a lot of Edey truthers and deniers. Let’s leave him out of this.

Who else? Thanks

We can talk about who ever we want to. Nobody put you in charge. Don't ask the question if you don't want the true answer.

[BigGargamel]

Clingan and Castle are the most overrated. They are getting a UCONN bump from playing with a bunch of 5th year seniors and being well coached. Clingan has a terrible ft percentage. Castle is a less athletic Cade Cunningham with much worse shooting.

Edey is the best player in the draft and it isn't close.

"Isn't close" It's just really impossible to take people seriously when they say stuff like this. It's not even an opinion...it's just false.

[GoBobs]

Clingan and Castle are the most overrated. They are getting a UCONN bump from playing with a bunch of 5th year seniors and being well coached. Clingan has a terrible ft percentage. Castle is a less athletic Cade Cunningham with much worse shooting.

Edey is the best player in the draft and it isn't close.

"Isn't close" It's just really impossible to take people seriously when they say stuff like this. It's not even an opinion...it's just false.

Edey is the best prospect, then there is a huge gap before the next guy. You will see, just wait.

[azcatz11]

Maybe there is a thread on this already. Just curious what player you like or dislike more than the majority? For example, I know we have a lot of Edey truthers and deniers. Let’s leave him out of this.

Who else? Thanks

We can talk about who ever we want to. Nobody put you in charge. Don't ask the question if you don't want the true answer.

I figured people are sick of the edey debate…now go relax buddy

[JustBuzzin]

Maybe there is a thread on this already. Just curious what player you like or dislike more than the majority? For example, I know we have a lot of Edey truthers and deniers. Let’s leave him out of this.

Who else? Thanks

We can talk about who ever we want to. Nobody put you in charge. Don't ask the question if you don't want the true answer.

I figured people are sick of the edey debate…now go relax buddy

Bobs a different beast buddy. There is no relaxing when it comes to Edey. He's the best player in this draft according to Bobs.

[azcatz11]

We can talk about who ever we want to. Nobody put you in charge. Don't ask the question if you don't want the true answer.

I figured people are sick of the edey debate…now go relax buddy

Bobs a different beast buddy. There is no relaxing when it comes to Edey. He's the best player in this draft according to Bobs.

He's coming at me like Kendrick coming at Drake!! He doesn't want this smoke

[JustBuzzin]

I figured people are sick of the edey debate…now go relax buddy

Bobs a different beast buddy. There is no relaxing when it comes to Edey. He's the best player in this draft according to Bobs.

He's coming at me like Kendrick coming at Drake!! He doesn't want this smoke

[CptCrunch]

Negatives

Castle has some really heavy red flags.
Zach Edey is 70% probably not a NBA player.
Clingan really has no business going #1 unless a team has decided the whole draft is full of role players, and they want a starting center instead. He is a solid safe C
Sarr will get drafted closer to 5 than 1.

Positives

As I have stated before, Reed is the clear #1 player this draft.
Bub should go top 10 imo.

[BigGargamel]

I also think Dalton Knecht will be the best player to come out of this draft, but I understand why he's not going to be drafted in the top five.