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Re: Tounde Yessoufou / Cameron Carr (Baylor) 

Post#21 » by FarBeyondDriven » Sat Feb 21, 2026 11:58 am

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Misinfo here: The most common age for a man to stop growing (at least significantly, by more than an inch) is 16.

It's not uncommon at all for a man to stop growing at age 15, and in fact, that's more likely than a man continuing to grow past 18, statistically.


That's actually wrong. Try not to not spread misinformation when calling out so called misinformation. Your claim is easily refuted by any growth chart. The mean age of stop is 18-19. You can go google any variations of this; it's all going to be the same pretty much. There will be no charts showing some age 15/16 stops.

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Growth is largely linear for boys on average, and it's going to take an act of god for someone to get to 6'5" by age 15 and not a grow an inch from 15 to 19. Can Tounde do this? Yes, it's possible but given the countless scandals of age faking in sports, the parsimonious explanation is obvious.


this really doesn't refute what he said. Neither can prove the other is putting out misinformation. Your chart shows a negligible change after 18 y/o so it's very possible he's correct that it's more likely that more stop growing at 15 than those that continue growing past 18. The only way you could prove it would be to know how many stop growing before their 16th birthday and compare that to how many continue growing past 18. If I had to bet I'd lean towards those stopping growth before turning 16 tbh.
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Re: Tounde Yessoufou / Cameron Carr (Baylor) 

Post#22 » by Caneman786 » Sat Feb 21, 2026 4:41 pm

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Misinfo here: The most common age for a man to stop growing (at least significantly, by more than an inch) is 16.

It's not uncommon at all for a man to stop growing at age 15, and in fact, that's more likely than a man continuing to grow past 18, statistically.


That's actually wrong. Try not to not spread misinformation when calling out so called misinformation. Your claim is easily refuted by any growth chart. The mean age of stop is 18-19. You can go google any variations of this; it's all going to be the same pretty much. There will be no charts showing some age 15/16 stops.

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Growth is largely linear for boys on average, and it's going to take an act of god for someone to get to 6'5" by age 15 and not a grow an inch from 15 to 19. Can Tounde do this? Yes, it's possible but given the countless scandals of age faking in sports, the parsimonious explanation is obvious.


It's not misinformation. The increase children are experiencing after the age of 16 on the growth chart is driven by the few outliers who are still growing, pushing the percentiles upward as they experience the end of their growth spurts (and even then, marginally).

If you really get down to it, the 50th percentile male mark moves less than an inch from the age of 16 years and 4 months (from 5' 8.63" to 5' 9.63").

And you might be thinking for the athletic freaks of the world, and possibly there are more cases of success since going through a late growth spurt can be good for basketball development.

However, in general, the pattern of the ultra-tall percentile mark of the chart is the same as the middle percentile (which was surprising to me). The 20-year-old 97th percentile man is 6' 2.88" barefoot. And the 97th percentile male reaches 6' 1.88" when he is 16 years and 3 months old.

All this, of course, doesn't prove much. The much more important factor here is the age that the growth plates fuse in. There have been many studies on this.

Generally, there is a final sign that orthopedic doctors look for that signals the end of vertebral growth (or height growth, since the lower limbs usually cease growing earlier than does the trunk of the body). This is the complete ossification (which means turning into bone) and fusion of the iliac apophysis, which is featured in the Risser sign's scale, that has a six-point grading system to measure this, going from stage 0 to stage 5. Stage 5 here is the final ossification and fusion. Typically, there shouldn't be any growth at all after stage 5 is achieved.

The most common mean age that is cited for stage 5 in males is age 16, while the range of reaching stage 5 for normal individual males goes from age 13 to age 20. If Tounde were to stop growing at 15, it wouldn't be unusual at all. It's well within the range.

Then, compounding this, the average age of physical maturity for Africans is one year lower than it is for Europeans. Early bone development in general is seen in warmer climates, and Tounde is from Benin in Africa.

Source: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2816746/

Of course, you could be right about the Tounde's age specifically. It has happened before. I just wanted to nitpick at your reasoning, since I don't think it's enough evidence.
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Re: Tounde Yessoufou / Cameron Carr (Baylor) 

Post#23 » by Caneman786 » Sat Feb 21, 2026 5:22 pm

For what its worth two other examples.

Jalen Duren listed at 6'9" as a freshman aged 14. He is 6' 10" today.

https://www.maxpreps.com/pa/philadelphia/roman-catholic-cahillite/athletes/jalen-duren/bio/?careerid=30jrfftfo5s88

Bam Adebayo listed at 6' 8" as a freshman aged 14. He measured 6' 8.75" at the combine and has been listed at 6' 9" throughout his career.

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Re: Tounde Yessoufou / Cameron Carr (Baylor) 

Post#24 » by CptCrunch » Sat Feb 21, 2026 6:36 pm

In general, the Internet needs to stop making the logical fallacy of using exceptions to disprove trends. We'll leave it at that. Over reading his age/growth cannot 'prove' anything.
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Re: Tounde Yessoufou / Cameron Carr (Baylor) 

Post#25 » by Telfaire » Tue Feb 24, 2026 9:03 am

Yessoufou's scouting profile is up in the air here:
https://www.hoops-bg.net/prospects/2026/17/Tounde-Yessoufou

Eventually, I went for Cuttino Mobley as a pro comp on offense, with a present-day Rocket for the defensive side ;)
As for the shooting woes, I buy his shooting form and believe that it's more of a shot selection issue.

The star potential is definitely there, and it would be quite a headache figuring out where to rank him in relation to his teammate Carr, Burries, and the star-potential PGs in this class (at least four of them currently, right? Flemings, Brown, Acuff, and Wagler). Then we also have Ament, who's starting to look better recently. My oh my...
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Re: Tounde Yessoufou / Cameron Carr (Baylor) 

Post#26 » by Caneman786 » Tue Mar 10, 2026 8:07 pm

A few days ago I posted how Hannes Steinbach could be the only collegiate first round pick of this draft to miss the tournament, but I made an oversight.

Baylor is for sure out now following their 83-79 loss against 12 seed Arizona State in the Big 12 tournament (where Baylor was the 13 seed).

They still may make some other tournament like the Crown or the NIT though, so the season may not have ended.
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Re: Tounde Yessoufou / Cameron Carr (Baylor) 

Post#27 » by Chuck Everett » Wed Mar 11, 2026 4:59 am

Their season went as I suspected once I saw their non-conference schedule. Carr and Tounde were good in the Big 12, but the roster around them was complete crap. I would have been tempted to say it was a waste of time, but Carr was able to put some tape on film that he can be possibly a Zach Lavine-type player. Now, hopefully, if he does share Zach's traits (athleticism, deep shooting range), you can get him to play winning basketball, not be a ball stopper, become a good POA defender.

If he doesn't want to round out his game, I wouldn't draft him because I don't want another Zach Lavine, stats be damned.
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Re: Tounde Yessoufou / Cameron Carr (Baylor) 

Post#28 » by CptCrunch » Wed Mar 11, 2026 5:35 am

This dude hasn't had a good game against good competition all season .

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vBPM is my calibrated BPM based on team SRS, like Sports-Reference's BPM, BartTorvik's BPM.

Sports-Reference at 6.4. Bart has him at 4.9, I have him at 4.6.

sBPM (or SPM) is my proprietary regularized opposing strength weighted BPM. I haven't seen a player drop this hard. If we look at his performance against good teams, It's putrid hence his 0.8 SPM.

Putting up the same stat against Rio Grand Valley (his best game at 24/7/1 at 62.5% shooting) is worth ~1/6 as putting up the same stat as his 12/4/0 on 33.3% shooting against Arizona.

Carr is a NBA prospect; Tessoufou isn't.
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Re: Tounde Yessoufou / Cameron Carr (Baylor) 

Post#29 » by FarBeyondDriven » Wed Mar 11, 2026 7:09 am

CptCrunch wrote:This dude hasn't had a good game against good competition all season .

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vBPM is my calibrated BPM based on team SRS, like Sports-Reference's BPM, BartTorvik's BPM.

Sports-Reference at 6.4. Bart has him at 4.9, I have him at 4.6.

sBPM (or SPM) is my proprietary regularized opposing strength weighted BPM. I haven't seen a player drop this hard. If we look at his performance against good teams, It's putrid hence his 0.8 SPM.

Putting up the same stat against Rio Grand Valley (his best game at 24/7/1 at 62.5% shooting) is worth ~1/6 as putting up the same stat as his 12/4/0 on 33.3% shooting against Arizona.

Carr is a NBA prospect; Tessoufou isn't.


of course he is. There's no reason to be hyperbolic
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Re: Tounde Yessoufou / Cameron Carr (Baylor) 

Post#30 » by WargamesX » Sun Apr 19, 2026 4:02 pm

Carr is the guy I have circled that once workouts begin we hear he starts rising and he goes somewhere just outside the lottery. He’s slim but with NBA strength training I think he could be a bucket.

I see him as a bigger Quickley when he was on the Knicks. Great 3pt shooting (especially as a movement shooter), can go downhill, and a decent defender, not a very good distributor but due to his size teams won’t need him to do that.
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Re: Tounde Yessoufou / Cameron Carr (Baylor) 

Post#31 » by BigGargamel » Sun Apr 19, 2026 5:20 pm

Yessoufou can't shoot or get to the rim. Nice counting stats, but I'm not sure what he gives you. Worth a second round pick, but I wouldn't take him in the first.
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Re: Tounde Yessoufou / Cameron Carr (Baylor) 

Post#32 » by Cammo101 » Sun Apr 19, 2026 6:31 pm

WargamesX wrote:Carr is the guy I have circled that once workouts begin we hear he starts rising and he goes somewhere just outside the lottery. He’s slim but with NBA strength training I think he could be a bucket.


I agree. His combination of deadeye shooting and athleticism will be very enticing.
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Re: Tounde Yessoufou / Cameron Carr (Baylor) 

Post#33 » by babyjax13 » Sun Apr 19, 2026 7:13 pm

CptCrunch wrote:This dude hasn't had a good game against good competition all season .

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vBPM is my calibrated BPM based on team SRS, like Sports-Reference's BPM, BartTorvik's BPM.

Sports-Reference at 6.4. Bart has him at 4.9, I have him at 4.6.

sBPM (or SPM) is my proprietary regularized opposing strength weighted BPM. I haven't seen a player drop this hard. If we look at his performance against good teams, It's putrid hence his 0.8 SPM.

Putting up the same stat against Rio Grand Valley (his best game at 24/7/1 at 62.5% shooting) is worth ~1/6 as putting up the same stat as his 12/4/0 on 33.3% shooting against Arizona.

Carr is a NBA prospect; Tessoufou isn't.

Super interesting metric!
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Re: Tounde Yessoufou / Cameron Carr (Baylor) 

Post#34 » by Klomp » Sun Apr 19, 2026 9:57 pm

Carr gives me some Zach LaVine vibes
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Post#35 » by babyjax13 » Sun Apr 19, 2026 10:19 pm

Klomp wrote:Carr gives me some Zach LaVine vibes

Or Shaedon Sharpe. Something of that ilk - totally agree w/everyone.
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Post#36 » by Klomp » Sun Apr 19, 2026 11:44 pm

How many people remember Cameron's father?

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Re: Tounde Yessoufou / Cameron Carr (Baylor) 

Post#37 » by Cammo101 » Mon Apr 20, 2026 1:23 am

Klomp wrote:How many people remember Cameron's father?



I had no idea he was Chris Carr's son.
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Re: Tounde Yessoufou / Cameron Carr (Baylor) 

Post#38 » by Upperclass » Mon Apr 20, 2026 1:41 am

He plays like how a 30 year old would play if they could go back and play varsity again
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Post#39 » by Chuck Everett » Mon Apr 20, 2026 4:27 am

Klomp wrote:How many people remember Cameron's father?



Southern Illinois' own. No wonder he has hops. His dad could fly.
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Re: Tounde Yessoufou / Cameron Carr (Baylor) 

Post#40 » by esvl » Tue Apr 21, 2026 3:57 pm

BigGargamel wrote:Yessoufou can't shoot or get to the rim.

The former looks likely fixable based on this shooting mechanic, but the latter? He has a great body, what is his problem?

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