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Post#21 » by Cammo101 » Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:17 am

Griff83 wrote:how come noone has mentioned Joey Dorsey?


Too limited. He can come in right away and be a Craig Smith spark plug type.
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Post#22 » by JoeT » Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:08 pm

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His game won't translate, because he is undersized even by major college bigs. Hansbrough gets by on brute strength and hard work. He has no jump shoot and will not bull NBA bigs around like he does in college. Right now he is Sean May with better work ethic, but he will need a Horace Grant range jumper to even see the floor in the NBA.


Have you watched Hansbrough since his freshman year? The notion he has no jump shot is ridiculous. He has a very reliable mid-range jumper, and by the way, he shoots 81% from the free-throw line. Also, he doesn't get by on just brute strength. He actually cut down some this year and is more agile than people give him credit for. His perimeter defense is also vastly improved over the past two seasons. He's done a great job the past two years adding the necessary ripples to his game that will be necessary for his transition to the pros. It's unfortunate many fans continue to view him as exactly the same player he was as a freshman.
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Post#23 » by Ruzious » Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:59 pm

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Love is not even making a huge impact in college. All you guys picking freshman are living in a dream world. With the exception of Beasley, all the other freshman are works in progress. Guys like Love and Mayo will not be allowed the million shots they take in college, and they will find it a much tougher adjustment. Love would be smart to go back for his sophmore year.

I'm not even sure what you mean by that, why you think it, and why you think it's relevant. He's certainly having an outstanding season for one of the top few teams in the country. Mayo doesn't belong in the conversation. Love is anything but a shot jacker. He's a tremendously efficient scorer. The problem with most people evaluating Love is they don't see beyond seeing a guy who seems pudgy, seems slow, seems maybe a bit short. They just see the guy who gets his shot blocked by more athletic looking players. They don't see that he and Beasley are as pure basketball bigs that've come to college in years. He just knows how to do play - there's no hesitation in his game, he's the best outlet passer in college ball (a lost art), he's a dominant rebounder already, he can score inside and out, he draws fouls, and lately he's shown very quick hands and anticipation on defense. He's adjusted his game, because his game is about winning. If he goes in the draft, he'll be one of the top NBA rookies next season.
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Post#24 » by UGA Hayes » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:35 pm

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Have you watched Hansbrough since his freshman year? The notion he has no jump shot is ridiculous. He has a very reliable mid-range jumper, and by the way, he shoots 81% from the free-throw line. Also, he doesn't get by on just brute strength. He actually cut down some this year and is more agile than people give him credit for. His perimeter defense is also vastly improved over the past two seasons. He's done a great job the past two years adding the necessary ripples to his game that will be necessary for his transition to the pros. It's unfortunate many fans continue to view him as exactly the same player he was as a freshman.


Amen. I'm surprised you have him ranked so low on your draft board. Everything else aside I can't remember a high motor prospect with any sort of skills (as opposed to a ryan bowen, Darvin Ham type) who hasn't made the NBA transition.

For the sake of comparison, Glen Davis has most of the same problems as Hansbourough but also has a high motor and has wasted no time making an impact on the Celtics.
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Post#25 » by JoeT » Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:31 pm

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Amen. I'm surprised you have him ranked so low on your draft board. Everything else aside I can't remember a high motor prospect with any sort of skills (as opposed to a ryan bowen, Darvin Ham type) who hasn't made the NBA transition.

For the sake of comparison, Glen Davis has most of the same problems as Hansbourough but also has a high motor and has wasted no time making an impact on the Celtics.


I don't determine how our mock draft looks. That said, I don't think I'd dispute where Hansbrough is currently ranked, at 16. That seems about right, give or take.

Personally, I don't develop firm opinions on draft positions until after the season ends, when I have a full body of work at my disposal and I know who is and isn't in the draft. At this point, I'm only interested scouting and projecting players.
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Post#26 » by $*DIPSET BOI*$ » Tue Feb 19, 2008 9:32 pm

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Like Saer Sene? Thabeet is way too raw to be an imediate impact guy. The NBA bigs are going to take him to school for a while before he becomes a stud.
Maybe on offense, but on defense (which is why teams are scouting him) he will make an impact. Thabeet will be one of those players that doesn't have to score a lot to have an successful career.
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Post#27 » by Jemini80 » Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:04 pm

Beasley or Mayo are winning rookie of the year, so I guess it is one of them two. Gordon has the illusion of being NBA ready, but his dribbling and defense is too poor for me.
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Post#28 » by Griff83 » Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:25 pm

Jemini80 wrote:Beasley or Mayo are winning rookie of the year, so I guess it is one of them two. Gordon has the illusion of being NBA ready, but his dribbling and defense is too poor for me.


Id say a player like Brook Lopez has a better chance of winning rookie of the year then Mayo.
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Post#29 » by Jemini80 » Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:29 pm

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Id say a player like Brook Lopez has a better chance of winning rookie of the year then Mayo.


i'm trying to kill this Lopez hype so the Knicks can get him. Please stop talking about him immediately, thanks.
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Post#30 » by revprodeji » Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:37 pm

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Too limited. He can come in right away and be a Craig Smith spark plug type.


except he has nothing near Smith's scoring ability.
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Post#31 » by e in boulder » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:37 am

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Like Saer Sene? Thabeet is way too raw to be an imediate impact guy. The NBA bigs are going to take him to school for a while before he becomes a stud.


I don't recall Sene playing for a top 25 collegiate program.

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Post#32 » by WillC » Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:31 am

Tyler Hansbrough, Michael Beasley, Brook Lopez and O.J. Mayo.
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Post#33 » by GLtrojans » Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:15 pm

Michael Beasley, Brooke Lopez, Nicolas Batum
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Post#34 » by guaves13 » Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:10 pm

How about CDR?
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Post#35 » by hermes » Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:51 pm

hibbert beasley
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Post#36 » by Wade2k6 » Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:51 am

Mayo is pretty NBA ready, no? I believe he's a player that can come in and start from day 1, along with maybe Beasley and possibly a player like Bayless, Rose or Gordon.
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Post#37 » by revprodeji » Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:09 pm

I think with Hibbert/Lopez it depends on the team they get sent to. But I could see either of those guys getting it.

The question should be how productive could Rose be right away?

This is what other elite pg's did their rookie year.
Paul
78 starts
36mpg
43% fg
28% 3pt
85% ft
5.1rpg
7.8 apg
2.2 stl
2.35 to
16 ppg

BDiddy
0 starts
18.6mpg
42% fg
22% 3pt
64% ft
2rpg
3.8 apg
1.2 stl
1.71 to
5.9 ppg

Kidd
79 starts
34mpg
38% fg
27% 3pt
70% ft
5.4 rpg
7.7 apg
1.9 stl
3.16 TO
11.7 ppg

Deron Williams
47 starts
28.8 mpg
42% fg
42% 3pt
70% ft
2.4 rpg
4.5 apg
.8 stl
1.81 TO
10.8ppg

(wow, I forgot how crazy paul was his rookie year)
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Post#38 » by revprodeji » Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:10 pm

Also, do we expect some sort of transition period for Beasley? Does he need time to learn the NBA defense and figure out his position? I kind of wonder if he will roll serious numbers right away.
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