Ace Bailey

Chi town · Post #201 » by **Chi town** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 6:26 am

https://youtu.be/2kQ8wOKO1Ss?si=b2DLc5WZ0Pa_pMEu

JustBuzzin · Post #202 » by **JustBuzzin** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 11:53 am

6'10 shot creator who also plays defense.

Might be the best scorer in this draft. The scary part he's creating his own shot with a weak handle. My goodness if this kid improves his ball handling he goes from Rashard Lewis to KD.

I think he's in that #2 spot because of his size. This is shaping up to be a good draft.

vincecarter4pres · Post #203 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 1:03 pm

JustBuzzin wrote:6'10 shot creator who also plays defense.

Might be the best scorer in this draft. The scary part he's creating his own shot with a weak handle. My goodness if this kid improves his ball handling he goes from Rashard Lewis to KD.

I think he's in that #2 spot because of his size. This is shaping up to be a good draft.

Yeah I’m trying not to be a prisoner of the moment, but I always liked him cause he’s so toolsy, athletic and long, and has passion for the game, but his development has been hella impressive in a short period and has looked better without Harper taking pressure off him.

I’ve also had question marks on what Harper will be like in relation to team building 5 years from now.

To me I don’t think you pass on Ace at 2, and Harper is firmly cemented into 3.

After that it’s a major tossup with like 5 guys.

EmpireFalls · Post #204 » by **EmpireFalls** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 2:44 pm

I am getting towards a smaller Dirk Nowitzki comp. Someone please talk me out of it. I can’t unsee it

BlazersBroncos · Post #205 » by **BlazersBroncos** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 3:36 pm

EmpireFalls wrote:I am getting towards a smaller Dirk Nowitzki comp. Someone please talk me out of it. I can’t unsee it

Dirk had a pretty wide frame. Ace is much narrower.

Think Rashard Lewis as a medium, Durant'lite as ceiling and Tim Thomas as lower outcome IMO.

After that it’s a major tossup with like 5 guys.

I think Kasparas is pretty clearly #4. I think the tossup starts at #5 and its really only bt 2 guys.

1. Flagg
2. Ace
3. Harper
4. Kasparas
5a VJ or Tre
5b VJ or Tre
7. Fears
8. Demin
9. Essengue
10. Sorber

Thats my Top-10 right now.

SeattleJazzFan · Post #206 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 4:07 pm

babyjax13 wrote:Harper has also been sick and injured since the Alabama game, so several contextual things.

makes what Bailey is doing even more impressive with defenses locked in on him and him alone.

SeattleJazzFan · Post #207 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 4:10 pm

Bailey in Big10 games - 22 pts, 9 rebs, 2 blocks on 47% FGs and 45% 3pt. 71% FTs on the season now and is 26-29 in his last 6 games and 14-14 in his last two. 21 and 8 on 48% FGs and 41% from three over the entire season.

Brandon Miller was SEC player of the year as a frosh and #2 overall pick in a pretty strong draft. Ace Bailey is two years younger than Miller was at Alabama and has been better as a frosh. let that sink in for a moment.

vincecarter4pres · Post #208 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 5:22 pm

SeattleJazzFan wrote:
babyjax13 wrote:Harper has also been sick and injured since the Alabama game, so several contextual things.

makes what Bailey is doing even more impressive with defenses locked in on him and him alone.

This is what I’m thinking too.

vincecarter4pres · Post #209 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Thu Jan 30, 2025 5:24 pm

SeattleJazzFan wrote:Bailey in Big10 games - 22 pts, 9 rebs, 2 blocks on 47% FGs and 45% 3pt. 71% FTs on the season now and is 26-29 in his last 6 games and 14-14 in his last two. 21 and 8 on 48% FGs and 41% from three over the entire season.

Brandon Miller was SEC player of the year as a frosh and #2 overall pick in a pretty strong draft. Ace Bailey is two years younger than Miller was at Alabama and has been better as a frosh. let that sink in for a moment.

I’d be super excited if the Nets windup with him as a consolation to Flagg. They might very well go down in the vein of Curry and Harden that draft.

JustBuzzin · Post #210 » by **JustBuzzin** » Fri Jan 31, 2025 1:49 am

SeattleJazzFan wrote:Bailey in Big10 games - 22 pts, 9 rebs, 2 blocks on 47% FGs and 45% 3pt. 71% FTs on the season now and is 26-29 in his last 6 games and 14-14 in his last two. 21 and 8 on 48% FGs and 41% from three over the entire season.

Brandon Miller was SEC player of the year as a frosh and #2 overall pick in a pretty strong draft. Ace Bailey is two years younger than Miller was at Alabama and has been better as a frosh. let that sink in for a moment.

Facts!

As someone who was high on Miller this kid Bailey has even more potential. At worst he's gonna be a slightly taller Miller. However due to his height and defensive ability he has a higher ceiling than Miller imo.

Let this sink in this kid is arguably the best scorer in this draft and he has yet to develop his handle.

If he improves his handles it's game over for the league. Nobody in this draft has a higher ceiling than Bailey imo.

tontoz · Post #211 » by **tontoz** » Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:00 am

He hit a couple of nice jump hooks last game. I can't remember him trying that earlier in the season. Finishing inside has been a problem area for him so if he adds a reliable jump hook that will make a big difference.

JustBuzzin · Post #212 » by **JustBuzzin** » Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:14 am

tontoz wrote:He hit a couple of nice jump hooks last game. I can't remember him trying that earlier in the season. Finishing inside has been a problem area for him so if he adds a reliable jump hook that will make a big difference.

He's literally been playing in the post all season lmao.

Jump hook? Bro he's not a center this dude is wing kind of player. You living in 1990 bro talking about hook shots for a 6'10 wing. :lol:

tontoz · Post #213 » by **tontoz** » Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:34 am

JustBuzzin wrote:
tontoz wrote:He hit a couple of nice jump hooks last game. I can't remember him trying that earlier in the season. Finishing inside has been a problem area for him so if he adds a reliable jump hook that will make a big difference.

He's literally been playing in the post all season lmao.

Jump hook? Bro he's not a center this dude is wing kind of player. You living in 1990 bro talking about hook shots for a 6'10 wing.

It's better than that fadeaway shot he's been taking when he shoots about 10 feet farther away than he started.

At times he has faded so far back he is near the 3 pt line when he finally shoots it.

Finishing inside has been a problem for him all season. If he is comfortable with that shot it could be a big help when he can't get all the way to the rim.

JustBuzzin · Post #214 » by **JustBuzzin** » Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:42 am

tontoz wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:
tontoz wrote:He hit a couple of nice jump hooks last game. I can't remember him trying that earlier in the season. Finishing inside has been a problem area for him so if he adds a reliable jump hook that will make a big difference.

He's literally been playing in the post all season lmao.

Jump hook? Bro he's not a center this dude is wing kind of player. You living in 1990 bro talking about hook shots for a 6'10 wing.

It's better than that fadeaway shot he's been taking when he shoots about 10 feet farther away than he started.

At times he has faded so far back he is near the 3 pt line when he finally shoots it.

Finishing inside has been a problem for him all season. If he is comfortable with that shot it could be a big help when he can't get all the way to the rim.

It's called a post fadeaway. That's literally his signature shot lol.

You reaching here bro. You want to see post hooks is insane to me. You must be a 80's baby?

tontoz · Post #215 » by **tontoz** » Fri Jan 31, 2025 2:54 am

JustBuzzin wrote:
You reaching here bro. You want to see post hooks is insane to me. You must be a 80's baby?

He's the one shooting it, not me.

Watch on YouTube

vincecarter4pres · Post #216 » by **vincecarter4pres** » Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:07 am

tontoz wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:
You reaching here bro. You want to see post hooks is insane to me. You must be a 80's baby?

He's the one shooting it, not me.

Watch on YouTube

That is a nasty ass move for a wing, his bag is going to be Grand Canyon deep by his 4th season.

JustBuzzin · Post #217 » by **JustBuzzin** » Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:12 am

tontoz wrote:
JustBuzzin wrote:
You reaching here bro. You want to see post hooks is insane to me. You must be a 80's baby?

He's the one shooting it, not me.

Watch on YouTube

So because he did it you want to see it more consistently? :lol:

This kid is underrated if you ask me. I'm more surprised that's he's one of the best scorers in the country with a weak handle. That tells me his potential is through the roof when he can get buckets this easily without having a consistent handle.

He's Rashard Lewis right now, but has KD potential if he can improve his handle. That's a scary good prospect. Literally no bust potential with Bailey imo.

tontoz · Post #218 » by **tontoz** » Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:18 am

JustBuzzin wrote:So because he did it you want to see it more consistently?
.

Of course. Finishing inside has been a weak spot all season.

He isn't big enough to bully his way to the rim so he has to find a way to finish when the defense cuts him off. If he is comfortable with a jump hook then go for it.

SeattleJazzFan · Post #219 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Fri Jan 31, 2025 3:09 pm

his handle isn't as weak as people are saying it is. totally overblown. he struggled with his handle some at the beginning of the season and a narrative developed. it's just not that bad. of course it isn't perfect, but for a guy his size and age, he's fine. you don't average 21 ppg on almost all unassisted shots - you're creating everything for yourself - if your handle is horrible.

Hoopz Afrik · Post #220 » by **Hoopz Afrik** » Fri Jan 31, 2025 5:08 pm

SeattleJazzFan wrote:his handle isn't as weak as people are saying it is. totally overblown. he struggled with his handle some at the beginning of the season and a narrative developed. it's just not that bad. of course it isn't perfect, but for a guy his size and age, he's fine. you don't average 21 ppg on almost all unassisted shots - you're creating everything for yourself - if your handle is horrible.

I'm in the bag for Ace and think he gets critiqued more harshly than other prospects but his handle was super suspect to start. He's gotten more confident in and and it has gotten a lot better as the szn has progressed which is a really good sign but it was almost as if he was afraid to put the ball on the ground early on.

Definitely love the strides that he's made in that department and I think it's a really good sign moving forward. He's still only 18 years old, far from a finished product, and seems to have the requisite drive to succeed. Top 3 for sure IMO and trending very close to 2 for me.