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Post#621 » by doordoor123 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 1:37 am

kobyz wrote:he's probabley gonna be at least as good as Demar Derozan but i also see a Clyde Drexler ceiling...


I don’t even think he’s that athletic, explosive or has aa good a handle. He’s like a poor man’s Jaylen Brown. Or a rich man’s James Young.
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Post#622 » by clyde21 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:33 am

DeMar DeRozan is his floor more or less
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Post#623 » by doordoor123 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:34 am

clyde21 wrote:DeMar DeRozan is his floor more or less


That’s a joke. DeRozan was a better prospect.
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Post#624 » by clyde21 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:35 am

doordoor123 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:DeMar DeRozan is his floor more or less


That’s a joke. DeRozan was a better prospect.


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Post#625 » by King Ken » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:36 am

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clyde21 wrote:DeMar DeRozan is his floor more or less


That’s a joke. DeRozan was a better prospect.

No. Not even close. R.J. is a great prospect.
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Post#626 » by doordoor123 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:43 am

King Ken wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:
clyde21 wrote:DeMar DeRozan is his floor more or less


That’s a joke. DeRozan was a better prospect.

No. Not even close. R.J. is a great prospect.


In terms of what hes accomplished, yes. In terms of his current skill, yes. But in terms of his physical ability, not close. In terms of his upside, I disagree.
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Post#627 » by awy » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:52 am

will be overpaid and help your team tank for a long time
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Post#628 » by doordoor123 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 2:57 am

I have a question, have you even seen Barrett iso without a screen and beat his guy off the dribble? What about against an NBA prospect in college? It doesn’t happen. Why? Because his handle isn’t that strong and because he’s not that physically gifted.
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Post#629 » by King Ken » Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:05 am

doordoor123 wrote:
King Ken wrote:
doordoor123 wrote:
That’s a joke. DeRozan was a better prospect.

No. Not even close. R.J. is a great prospect.


In terms of what hes accomplished, yes. In terms of his current skill, yes. But in terms of his physical ability, not close. In terms of his upside, I disagree.

You are greatly underestimating R.J. skill level at this stage
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Post#630 » by doordoor123 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:20 am

King Ken wrote:
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King Ken wrote:No. Not even close. R.J. is a great prospect.


In terms of what hes accomplished, yes. In terms of his current skill, yes. But in terms of his physical ability, not close. In terms of his upside, I disagree.

You are greatly underestimating R.J. skill level at this stage


I’m saying he’s more skilled than DeRozan was, but physically he’s nothing special and his handle isn’t that special. He’s a great passer, can slip doubles and draw fouls around the basket. So he’s skilled. But in the way that he’s skilled, he’s no phenom. There aren’t lead scorers in the NBA that play the way plays. He doesn’t have the explosion or handle to pull up and make space for shots or to create a shooting window off the dribble. And he doesn’t beat defenses with his speed.
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Post#631 » by clyde21 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:33 am

RJ is infinitely more advanced as a prospect than what DeRozan was at this same stage it's not even close

the notion that DD was a better prospect it's ludicrous and not even worthy of a debate tbh
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Post#632 » by King Ken » Sun Mar 10, 2019 4:56 am

doordoor123 wrote:
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doordoor123 wrote:
In terms of what hes accomplished, yes. In terms of his current skill, yes. But in terms of his physical ability, not close. In terms of his upside, I disagree.

You are greatly underestimating R.J. skill level at this stage


I’m saying he’s more skilled than DeRozan was, but physically he’s nothing special and his handle isn’t that special. He’s a great passer, can slip doubles and draw fouls around the basket. So he’s skilled. But in the way that he’s skilled, he’s no phenom. There aren’t lead scorers in the NBA that play the way plays. He doesn’t have the explosion or handle to pull up and make space for shots or to create a shooting window off the dribble. And he doesn’t beat defenses with his speed.

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Post#633 » by Popa » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:01 am

To King Kens point Kawhi also isn't a speedster and he's having a high level scoring season.
RJ's problem I think that he's doing things that most players his age that he hasn't fully developed but he's already way ahead in some areas.
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Post#634 » by 916fan » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:13 am

I think a challenge of his going into the NBA will be his efficiency and shot selection. I also think don't think he draws fouls as good as people suggest. In the WF game he had 14 FTA to 23 FGA. However, in today's game against UNC, he had 3 FTA to 27 FGA. Against Syracuse he had 1 FTA to 20 FGA. List goes on with his lack of FTA. He's only had 4 games over double digit FTAs.

I had the same question about Young last year as I do with RJ. Can he be an effective player without if he's not allowed to dominate posessions and shoot the ball 15-20 times a game? We'll have to see.

RJ is still my #2, but Morant is extremely close.
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Post#635 » by Duke4life831 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 5:23 am

doordoor123 wrote:I have a question, have you even seen Barrett iso without a screen and beat his guy off the dribble? What about against an NBA prospect in college? It doesn’t happen. Why? Because his handle isn’t that strong and because he’s not that physically gifted.


I've been saying this all year. This is my biggest red flag with him. His inability to create any separation for himself in the half court is pretty glaring. And for a guy who's game revolves around him being a high usage ball dominant player, that is a pretty scary red flag to have. Kenny Williams locked him down tonight whenever RJ didn't get any screens.

I have him at #2 but to me the #2 spot this year has just been waiting for someone to grab it and no one wants to (or is capable).
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Post#636 » by doordoor123 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 6:07 am

Popa wrote:To King Kens point Kawhi also isn't a speedster and he's having a high level scoring season.
RJ's problem I think that he's doing things that most players his age that he hasn't fully developed but he's already way ahead in some areas.


This is fair, but even then the handle is the hardest skill to develop.
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Post#637 » by Upperclass » Sun Mar 10, 2019 7:12 am

He's Evan Turner and a waste of a top ten pick imo
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Post#638 » by clyde21 » Sun Mar 10, 2019 8:40 am

Upperclass wrote:He's Evan Turner and a waste of a top ten pick imo


RJ's freshmen season dwarfs Turner's JUNIOR season

who was a 2nd overall pick btw
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Re: RJ Barrett 

Post#639 » by No-Man » Sun Mar 10, 2019 10:21 am

He is really Jerry Stackhouse, looks eerily similar with the way he moves and attacks

Jerry ended up good in like a weird Warriors-type Iggy role (less D more O) late in his career, but yeah
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Re: RJ Barrett 

Post#640 » by Upperclass » Sun Mar 10, 2019 11:20 am

clyde21 wrote:
Upperclass wrote:He's Evan Turner and a waste of a top ten pick imo


RJ's freshmen season dwarfs Turner's JUNIOR season

who was a 2nd overall pick btw


We're talking stats? Since when do those matter for a draft pick

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