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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#621 » by TheDraftGuy » Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:19 pm

The Moose wrote:Deanondraft had an interesting write up on Edey last year - https://deanondraft.com/2023/02/08/2023-draft-mid-season-board/


Pretty much. Dean was kinda right about Jokic, too.

But I don't think Edey's risky, at all.

Despite what people say about traditional big men, you still can't teach height. To be more specific, if a player is that efficient as a freshman center that they go on to do what Edey does, it practically means they'll be fine in the NBA as a starter.

Historically, this threshold I've discovered hasn't failed.

Traditional centers that average 12/8.4 on good FG% (56+%, ideally closer to 60%) Per 28 minutes as freshmen (Shaq's FR mpg was the comp here) do VERY well in the NBA simply because they are that efficient and ahead of their peers. This has been the case for the past 40 years, since the introduction of the three point line.

At minimum, you get Wendell Carter Jr, DeAndre Ayton, or Robert Williams III, who are serviceable centers who can put up quality production.

But the majority of players? Cousins, KAT, Embiid, Hakeem, Robinson, Shaq.

Kessler, Chet, and Duren also accomplished this. Naturally, I used this metric on them in the past and they turned out fine, don't you think? Greg Oden also showcased this btw.

And it is Edey and Clingan who showcase this now.

I don't expect them to be in that top tier but I expect Clingan to be something like Brad Daughterty and Edey to become something like Brook Lopez w/ Gobert rebounding.

I ALSO want to note that Zach Edey's PER is superior to Zion's PER. You might be thinking college PER might not matter that much but once you get to the tip top, the players who have that level of PER and who play in a respectable Div I program that requires them to share the ball with talented players and go up against talented teams.....the Top 5 after Edey become this:

Zion Williamson-Keegan Murray-John Collins-Brandon Clarke-Kelly Olynyk


We'll probably rule out the next Zion (but we won't discount it) but two quality starters and two quality bench bigs are the comparison here. And Edey's college production is closer to Murray and Collins than Clarke and Olynyk.

So, yeah, just don't be surprised if Edey pans out
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#622 » by Big J » Sat Mar 30, 2024 7:58 pm

TheDraftGuy wrote:
The Moose wrote:Deanondraft had an interesting write up on Edey last year - https://deanondraft.com/2023/02/08/2023-draft-mid-season-board/


Pretty much. Dean was kinda right about Jokic, too.

But I don't think Edey's risky, at all.

Despite what people say about traditional big men, you still can't teach height. To be more specific, if a player is that efficient as a freshman center that they go on to do what Edey does, it practically means they'll be fine in the NBA as a starter.

Historically, this threshold I've discovered hasn't failed.

Traditional centers that average 12/8.4 on good FG% (56+%, ideally closer to 60%) Per 28 minutes as freshmen (Shaq's FR mpg was the comp here) do VERY well in the NBA simply because they are that efficient and ahead of their peers. This has been the case for the past 40 years, since the introduction of the three point line.

At minimum, you get Wendell Carter Jr, DeAndre Ayton, or Robert Williams III, who are serviceable centers who can put up quality production.

But the majority of players? Cousins, KAT, Embiid, Hakeem, Robinson, Shaq.

Kessler, Chet, and Duren also accomplished this. Naturally, I used this metric on them in the past and they turned out fine, don't you think? Greg Oden also showcased this btw.

And it is Edey and Clingan who showcase this now.

I don't expect them to be in that top tier but I expect Clingan to be something like Brad Daughterty and Edey to become something like Brook Lopez w/ Gobert rebounding.

I ALSO want to note that Zach Edey's PER is superior to Zion's PER. You might be thinking college PER might not matter that much but once you get to the tip top, the players who have that level of PER and who play in a respectable Div I program that requires them to share the ball with talented players and go up against talented teams.....the Top 5 after Edey become this:

Zion Williamson-Keegan Murray-John Collins-Brandon Clarke-Kelly Olynyk


We'll probably rule out the next Zion (but we won't discount it) but two quality starters and two quality bench bigs are the comparison here. And Edey's college production is closer to Murray and Collins than Clarke and Olynyk.

So, yeah, just don't be surprised if Edey pans out


How bro? Brook Lopez wouldn't see the court if he couldn't shoot 3's and wasn't a great defender.
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#623 » by Rainwater » Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:15 pm

Man, Edey is not an nba player.
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#624 » by HadAnEffectHere » Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:40 pm

I think Zach Edey really proves that people do not want 90s/early 2000s ball to return at all.

"Coordinated huge guy causes a bunch of contact in the post that is arguably a foul on a defender on every play, draws 20 free throws in a game" is something no sports fan actually likes, people just like talking.
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#625 » by TheSuzerain » Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:42 pm

HadAnEffectHere wrote:I think Zach Edey really proves that people do not want 90s/early 2000s ball to return at all.

"Coordinated huge guy causes a bunch of contact in the post that is arguably a foul on a defender on every play, draws 20 free throws in a game" is something no sports fan actually likes, people just like talking.

Yes but that's essentially the situation with Giannis.
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#626 » by FrodoBaggins » Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:50 pm

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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#627 » by Shock Defeat » Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:53 pm

Some freshman contained him in the 2nd half. He only scored cause soft fouls leading to free throws. Regular NBA centers won't have a problem defending him
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#628 » by TheSuzerain » Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:57 pm

The Edey haters are taking on water, folks.

"He only scored 40 points against the Kenpom #3 defense b because of soft calls!"
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#629 » by CptCrunch » Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:22 pm

My problem with Edey is that his stans are not factoring in down side. If you are so adamant about Edey being good, you should put your name down in stating Edey should be #1, at least in the top #5. Except no one has the courage and resolve to do so in this thread because deep down we all realize Edey has a higher chance of not being a NBA player than an actual star.

I've long written that Edey has an outside chance of being a very good NBA player, but his downside is so low that I estimate his mean outcome of not being a rotation player.
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#630 » by G R E Y » Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:36 pm

Projected lotto pick?

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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#631 » by Benjammin » Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:41 pm

I can see him being picked late first and contributing 12-14 minutes a game. Now Clingan has a much higher ceiling because it looks like he's agile and active enough to be a more versatile defender.

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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#632 » by FrodoBaggins » Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:47 pm

Pay your respects. An all-time great performance! 40/16 to go along with his 30/21, 23/14, and 27/14. He's averaging 31/16 in the NCAA tournament. Legendary stuff.

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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#633 » by GoBobs » Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:52 pm

CptCrunch wrote:My problem with Edey is that his stans are not factoring in down side. If you are so adamant about Edey being good, you should put your name down in stating Edey should be #1, at least in the top #5. Except no one has the courage and resolve to do so in this thread because deep down we all realize Edey has a higher chance of not being a NBA player than an actual star.

I've long written that Edey has an outside chance of being a very good NBA player, but his downside is so low that I estimate his mean outcome of not being a rotation player.


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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#634 » by Big J » Sun Mar 31, 2024 10:10 pm

TheSuzerain wrote:The Edey haters are taking on water, folks.

"He only scored 40 points against the Kenpom #3 defense b because of soft calls!"


lol, nobody here is an Edey hater. We are all just living in the reality that guys like him are unplayable in the modern game. What he does against a bunch of future accountants in a completely different style of game is irrelevant.
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#635 » by FrodoBaggins » Sun Mar 31, 2024 10:18 pm

Zach is undeniably more mobile than Brook Lopez, let alone a handful of starting and backup centers in the NBA right now. I can continue to reference combine numbers but I'll just post this GIF:

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Can you nitpick aspects of his defense? Sure. But you can do that for a lot of centers in the NBA. And how Zach is playing for Purdue isn't 100% indicative of how he will on an NBA team. He's being asked to shoulder an incredibly large offensive burden and is more concerned with not getting fouled out or gassing out than contesting every possible shot.
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#636 » by azcatz11 » Sun Mar 31, 2024 10:20 pm

Big J wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:The Edey haters are taking on water, folks.

"He only scored 40 points against the Kenpom #3 defense b because of soft calls!"


lol, nobody here is an Edey hater. We are all just living in the reality that guys like him are unplayable in the modern game. What he does against a bunch of future accountants in a completely different style of game is irrelevant.


Edey “the foul merchant”

The officiating is a joke. 10 fouls to 0 lol
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#637 » by Big J » Sun Mar 31, 2024 10:49 pm

azcatz11 wrote:
Big J wrote:
TheSuzerain wrote:The Edey haters are taking on water, folks.

"He only scored 40 points against the Kenpom #3 defense b because of soft calls!"


lol, nobody here is an Edey hater. We are all just living in the reality that guys like him are unplayable in the modern game. What he does against a bunch of future accountants in a completely different style of game is irrelevant.


Edey “the foul merchant”

The officiating is a joke. 10 fouls to 0 lol



Just shows how much of a joke the NCAA tourney has become if they are pushing this big stiff.
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#638 » by GoBobs » Sun Mar 31, 2024 10:54 pm

Here comes the army of troll Alt accounts lol
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#639 » by Big J » Sun Mar 31, 2024 11:15 pm

GoBobs wrote:Here comes the army of troll Alt accounts lol


I’ve got double & az has 7x the post count of you and we’re the alt accounts? Make it make sense at least.
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Re: Zach Edey, 7-4 

Post#640 » by GoBobs » Sun Mar 31, 2024 11:20 pm

Big J wrote:
GoBobs wrote:Here comes the army of troll Alt accounts lol


I’ve got double & az has 7x the post count of you and we’re the alt accounts? Make it make sense at least.


All you haters were just so belly hurt from that 40 burger Edey served up you just couldn't wait to run in here and post, lmao

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