Thomas Sorber thread

[zzaj]

Sorber is a better defender than WCJ. He is also more athleric. He is kind of like a hybrid between WCJ and Gafford? If you were just comping to average centers?

Yeah, maybe something like that...but therein lies the problem for me. I feel like that hybrid with upside is available in most drafts.

[Braggins]

This may sound kind of weird, but I actually like him on Houston to play the Steven Adams role there long term.

[EvanZ]

Sorber is a better defender than WCJ. He is also more athleric. He is kind of like a hybrid between WCJ and Gafford? If you were just comping to average centers?

Horford

[babyjax13]

Sorber is a better defender than WCJ. He is also more athleric. He is kind of like a hybrid between WCJ and Gafford? If you were just comping to average centers?

Horford

I agree that Horfors is the high end outcome. Sorber has a lot to like.

[moss_is_1]

Sorber is a better defender than WCJ. He is also more athleric. He is kind of like a hybrid between WCJ and Gafford? If you were just comping to average centers?

Horford

I agree that Horfors is the high end outcome. Sorber has a lot to like.

Yeah seems the best outcome. Bigger Horford(Al measure 6'8, 8'11" standing reach and 7'0.75" wingspan)
if he learns to shoot as good as Horford.

[kobyz]

Don't you see an Elton Brand clone?

[EvanZ]

Don't you see an Elton Brand clone?

Dang, that's actually one I hadn't thought of, but I like it. Brand was actually pretty awesome but on some bad teams. Huge wingspan like Sorber.

[King Ken]

Sorber is a better defender than WCJ. He is also more athleric. He is kind of like a hybrid between WCJ and Gafford? If you were just comping to average centers?

Horford

Don't do this. Horford is miles more athletic coming out of Florida. He's also a superior Basketball player with elite feel, elite movement, he was exceptionally versatile even as a prospect and he had incredible intangibles as well. I feel like every next Horford has been atrociously mislabeled like WCJ, Favors, and now this guy.

The obvious comp is Kurt Thomas.

[King Ken]

Don't you see an Elton Brand clone?

Not even close to the post up skills. Brand was elite in the paint. Him, Duncan, and Jah Okafor were three of the best post up guys since 1995. Sorber is good in the post and credible but he's not elite or anywhere close.

[Chi town]

Don't you see an Elton Brand clone?

Not even close to the post up skills. Brand was elite in the paint. Him, Duncan, and Jah Okafor were three of the best post up guys since 1995. Sorber is good in the post and credible but he's not elite or anywhere close.

Thank you.

Some of these comps being thrown around are crazy.

[bucknut]

Don't you see an Elton Brand clone?

Not even close to the post up skills. Brand was elite in the paint. Him, Duncan, and Jah Okafor were three of the best post up guys since 1995. Sorber is good in the post and credible but he's not elite or anywhere close.

I just took a look at him vs Kalkbrenner. He couldn't move him. Tried to make post moves and then had to resort to flingy arms and wrist and hope it goes in.

Lets ask this question though - how much worse is sorbers defense and rebounding then the donovan clingan, mark williams, duren, etc ? His offense is better, and his footspeed on the perimeter is better. Do you take Sorber ahead of those guys ?

[King Ken]

Don't you see an Elton Brand clone?

Not even close to the post up skills. Brand was elite in the paint. Him, Duncan, and Jah Okafor were three of the best post up guys since 1995. Sorber is good in the post and credible but he's not elite or anywhere close.

I just took a look at him vs Kalkbrenner. He couldn't move him. Tried to make post moves and then had to resort to flingy arms and wrist and hope it goes in.

Lets ask this question though - how much worse is sorbers defense and rebounding then the donovan clingan, mark williams, duren, etc ? His offense is better, and his footspeed on the perimeter is better. Do you take Sorber ahead of those guys ?

His offense isn't better than those guys and I would definitely take those guys as prospects personally over Sorber.

Not a fan of guys who are 5s who struggle at PnR finishing, tend to be below the rim finishers, and lack ideal height

I always feel those guys top out at top 15 centers and while that has value, it's not that much value.

His defense is better for the NBA than those guys. Guys who can switch, protect the paint, and have bulk where they can post defend is really hard to find.

[BlazersBroncos]

Not even close to the post up skills. Brand was elite in the paint. Him, Duncan, and Jah Okafor were three of the best post up guys since 1995. Sorber is good in the post and credible but he's not elite or anywhere close.

I just took a look at him vs Kalkbrenner. He couldn't move him. Tried to make post moves and then had to resort to flingy arms and wrist and hope it goes in.

Lets ask this question though - how much worse is sorbers defense and rebounding then the donovan clingan, mark williams, duren, etc ? His offense is better, and his footspeed on the perimeter is better. Do you take Sorber ahead of those guys ?

His offense isn't better than those guys and I would definitely take those guys as prospects personally over Sorber.

Not a fan of guys who are 5s who struggle at PnR finishing, tend to be below the rim finishers, and lack ideal height

I always feel those guys top out at top 15 centers and while that has value, it's not that much value.

His defense is better for the NBA than those guys. Guys who can switch, protect the paint, and have bulk where they can post defend is really hard to find.

Sorber isnt better defending than Clingan.

Donovan just posted a 109 DRTG, 1.4 DBPM, 7.5 BLK%, 1.0 DDARKO and 2.2 DLEBRON. Those are fantastic defensive metrics for a rookie big, especially one who had the stamina and tone of a gamer bro.

[EvanZ]

Don't you see an Elton Brand clone?

Not even close to the post up skills. Brand was elite in the paint. Him, Duncan, and Jah Okafor were three of the best post up guys since 1995. Sorber is good in the post and credible but he's not elite or anywhere close.

I just took a look at him vs Kalkbrenner. He couldn't move him. Tried to make post moves and then had to resort to flingy arms and wrist and hope it goes in.

Lets ask this question though - how much worse is sorbers defense and rebounding then the donovan clingan, mark williams, duren, etc ? His offense is better, and his footspeed on the perimeter is better. Do you take Sorber ahead of those guys ?

Kalkbrenner is 23 and Sorber is 19. By the time Sorber is done maturing physically it won't even be close between those two.

But it's a silly discussion anyway because there essentially are no post-up bigs in the NBA anymore other than Jokic. It's just not how NBA offense works and it's not how Sorber is going to succeed so it's a moot point.

[bucknut]

Not even close to the post up skills. Brand was elite in the paint. Him, Duncan, and Jah Okafor were three of the best post up guys since 1995. Sorber is good in the post and credible but he's not elite or anywhere close.

I just took a look at him vs Kalkbrenner. He couldn't move him. Tried to make post moves and then had to resort to flingy arms and wrist and hope it goes in.

Lets ask this question though - how much worse is sorbers defense and rebounding then the donovan clingan, mark williams, duren, etc ? His offense is better, and his footspeed on the perimeter is better. Do you take Sorber ahead of those guys ?

Kalkbrenner is 23 and Sorber is 19. By the time Sorber is done maturing physically it won't even be close between those two.

But it's a silly discussion anyway because there essentially are no post-up bigs in the NBA anymore other than Jokic. It's just not how NBA offense works and it's not how Sorber is going to succeed so it's a moot point.

Post ups are not irrelevant when guys like Julius randle been posting up all playoffs and even Myles Turner been scoring on some post move banks every now and then. Its a tertiary way for non dominant bigs to still score points same as they would from a lob.

Sorbers not s black hole as someone with 7-6 wingspan who can hold the middle. Id take him over maulach.

[EvanZ]

I just took a look at him vs Kalkbrenner. He couldn't move him. Tried to make post moves and then had to resort to flingy arms and wrist and hope it goes in.

Lets ask this question though - how much worse is sorbers defense and rebounding then the donovan clingan, mark williams, duren, etc ? His offense is better, and his footspeed on the perimeter is better. Do you take Sorber ahead of those guys ?

Kalkbrenner is 23 and Sorber is 19. By the time Sorber is done maturing physically it won't even be close between those two.

But it's a silly discussion anyway because there essentially are no post-up bigs in the NBA anymore other than Jokic. It's just not how NBA offense works and it's not how Sorber is going to succeed so it's a moot point.

Post ups are not irrelevant when guys like Julius randle been posting up all playoffs and even Myles Turner been scoring on some post move banks every now and then. Its a tertiary way for non dominant bigs to still score points same as they would from a lob.

Sorbers not s black hole as someone with 7-6 wingspan who can hold the middle. Id take him over maulach.

Randle was posting up against Lakers and Warriors. Not as easy against OKC who has legit big men.

[Braggins]

Im still not really sure how Sorber isn't considered the top center in this class.

[eminence]

Im still not really sure how Sorber isn't considered the top center in this class.

Similar here. Given passing medicals he’s #3 on my board overall.

Great measurables, smart player on both ends.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Athletically this guy seems pretty ehhhhhhh.

Not much pop.

[EMG518]

Im still not really sure how Sorber isn't considered the top center in this class.

Similar here. Given passing medicals he’s #3 on my board overall.

Great measurables, smart player on both ends.

Who's game do you see his looking like at the next level which has you taking him at 3.