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Re: Haliburton 

Post#101 » by Chanel Bomber » Thu Dec 31, 2020 12:19 am

He was the best prospect in this draft in my opinion.

I think he has a shot at becoming a great player, and possibly an all-timer. He can play on-ball and off-ball, and his scoring efficiency shows that there is room for a significant increase in volume. Defensively, he has the perfect size and length to switch and defend across multiple positions. And he seems to be a culture changer. All in all, just a winner.

He reminds me of a cross between Penny Hardaway in the half-court (without the otherwordly athleticism) and Klay Thompson (without the nanosecond-fast release). More importantly, I can definitely see him starting for a team in the NBA Finals 5 or 6 years from now.

I'm still mad at the fact the Knicks passed on him.
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Post#102 » by EvanZ » Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:53 am

Let me know when he cracks 15% USG.
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Post#103 » by clyde21 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:02 am

EvanZ wrote:Let me know when he cracks 15% USG.


does he need to?
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Post#104 » by EvanZ » Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:16 am

clyde21 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:Let me know when he cracks 15% USG.


does he need to?


I mean yes unless his path to stardom is being Draymond. It's just silly the way people are talking about this kid. Nobody has a clue what he actually is.
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Post#105 » by clyde21 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:20 am

EvanZ wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:Let me know when he cracks 15% USG.


does he need to?


I mean yes unless his path to stardom is being Draymond. It's just silly the way people are talking about this kid. Nobody has a clue what he actually is.


his assist rate for his usage is absolutely elite, can knock down open shots, run half-court sets and defend both up and down a position...what do you mean we don't know what he is?

his high impact on low usage is exactly why he's such a good prospect.
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Post#106 » by SNPA » Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:28 am

EvanZ wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:Let me know when he cracks 15% USG.


does he need to?


I mean yes unless his path to stardom is being Draymond. It's just silly the way people are talking about this kid. Nobody has a clue what he actually is.

Wired take. Reread this thread, the kid is doing what many saw he could do. He is exactly who we thought.
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Post#107 » by EvanZ » Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:44 am

SNPA wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
does he need to?


I mean yes unless his path to stardom is being Draymond. It's just silly the way people are talking about this kid. Nobody has a clue what he actually is.

Wired take. Reread this thread, the kid is doing what many saw he could do. He is exactly who we thought.


Wired. Yes. Also LMAO at reread the thread. A thread that wasn’t even started until April of this year. :lol: “We saw” :lol:
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Post#108 » by pcbothwel » Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:10 pm

clyde21 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
clyde21 wrote:
does he need to?


I mean yes unless his path to stardom is being Draymond. It's just silly the way people are talking about this kid. Nobody has a clue what he actually is.


his assist rate for his usage is absolutely elite, can knock down open shots, run half-court sets and defend both up and down a position...what do you mean we don't know what he is?

his high impact on low usage is exactly why he's such a good prospect.


I had him in my top 3 and then slightly down to top 6. I sorta agree with Evan though. He is such a smart, high IQ player that I have no doubt he will succeed and early.. the question with him was that he does a few things very well, but once the league catches up to him, does he have the tool box to improve, specifically as a scorer off the dribble.
As a Wiz fan, it feels very Otto Porter-esque. High IQ, great efficiency, great team defender... but lets see if the tool box expands and the poor frame/athletic limitations rear their ugly head at some point.
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Post#109 » by kb02 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:33 pm

EvanZ wrote:Let me know when he cracks 15% USG.


Usage? Of all the stats to cite, you cite usage? Just lolzzzzzzz.
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Post#110 » by EvanZ » Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:40 pm

kb02 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:Let me know when he cracks 15% USG.


Usage? Of all the stats to cite, you cite usage? Just lolzzzzzzz.


Uh yeah. That's the relevant one to be concerned about.
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Post#111 » by kb02 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:45 pm

EvanZ wrote:
kb02 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:Let me know when he cracks 15% USG.


Usage? Of all the stats to cite, you cite usage? Just lolzzzzzzz.


Uh yeah. That's the relevant one to be concerned about.

Really? Please enlighten.
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Post#112 » by EvanZ » Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:47 pm

kb02 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
kb02 wrote:
Usage? Of all the stats to cite, you cite usage? Just lolzzzzzzz.


Uh yeah. That's the relevant one to be concerned about.

Really? Please enlighten.


It's already been discussed. I don't have time to explain very basic stuff like this. If you don't know, go do some research on your own.
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Post#113 » by kb02 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:50 pm

EvanZ wrote:
kb02 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
Uh yeah. That's the relevant one to be concerned about.

Really? Please enlighten.


It's already been discussed. I don't have time to explain very basic stuff like this. If you don't know, go do some research on your own.


Can't defend a basic position, ehh? Got it.
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Post#114 » by EvanZ » Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:55 pm

There’s no need to defend what is patently obvious. It’s like asking me to explain why 3pt shooting is good.
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Post#115 » by kb02 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 2:57 pm

EvanZ wrote:There’s no need to defend what is patently obvious. It’s like asking me to explain why 3pt shooting is good.

You do understand that usage is an input. Not an output, right? Yet, you cite it as the key variable? Just lolzzzzzzz.
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Post#116 » by EvanZ » Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:33 pm

kb02 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:There’s no need to defend what is patently obvious. It’s like asking me to explain why 3pt shooting is good.

You do understand that usage is an input. Not an output, right? Yet, you cite it as the key variable? Just lolzzzzzzz.


I understand that most players that can’t create easy shots have low usage. Lolz
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Post#117 » by kb02 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 4:48 pm

EvanZ wrote:
kb02 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:There’s no need to defend what is patently obvious. It’s like asking me to explain why 3pt shooting is good.

You do understand that usage is an input. Not an output, right? Yet, you cite it as the key variable? Just lolzzzzzzz.


I understand that most players that can’t create easy shots have low usage. Lolz


So you cite stats that you don’t understand. Got it. Generally not a good idea to take a position based on input data.
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Post#118 » by clyde21 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 5:31 pm

EvanZ wrote:
kb02 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:There’s no need to defend what is patently obvious. It’s like asking me to explain why 3pt shooting is good.

You do understand that usage is an input. Not an output, right? Yet, you cite it as the key variable? Just lolzzzzzzz.


I understand that most players that can’t create easy shots have low usage. Lolz


you realize that not everyone on a team can be high usage right?

if usage is why u don't like Hali stick to the LaMelo thread.
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Post#119 » by kb02 » Thu Dec 31, 2020 6:24 pm

clyde21 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
kb02 wrote:You do understand that usage is an input. Not an output, right? Yet, you cite it as the key variable? Just lolzzzzzzz.


I understand that most players that can’t create easy shots have low usage. Lolz


you realize that not everyone on a team can be high usage right?

if usage is why u don't like Hali stick to the LaMelo thread.


Think it's pretty clear that stats, much less math is not a strength of his. If we asked him to build the perfect team, he'd have the following starting line up:

PG: Westbrook
SG: RJ Barrett
SF: Wiggins
PF: Bagley
C: High usage center.

Usage % is not capped at 100% in his world.
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Post#120 » by EvanZ » Thu Dec 31, 2020 7:26 pm

clyde21 wrote:
EvanZ wrote:
kb02 wrote:You do understand that usage is an input. Not an output, right? Yet, you cite it as the key variable? Just lolzzzzzzz.


I understand that most players that can’t create easy shots have low usage. Lolz


you realize that not everyone on a team can be high usage right?

if usage is why u don't like Hali stick to the LaMelo thread.


I mean yeah. That’s a huge difference between them and why I am much higher on Melo.

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