[Woj] Kelly signs 2 year/$26.25m extension

[DelAbbot]

Wouldn't it be better to find another Koloko in the draft and then mold him into the passing big we want to fit behind Poeltl? So when we are ready to compete in 2027, we have a young backup C coming into his own. Instead of a 33yo taking up that roster spot and mins over the next two years? We are rebuilding right?

It's a 2 year extension that will lock both Poeltl and Olynyk into contracts paying them a combined $32 million to take up most of the minutes at C, so any big man drafted this year with the Indiana or Detroit pick would likely spend their time split between the G league and the Raptors developing into someone who can play 20+ minutes per night by the time these 2 are ready to move onto other teams or have their roles adjusted to accommodate the drafted big man and his development.

That looks like the plan. I don't agree with it but I can see the POV the FO is half giving up on developing its own C after the Koloko (health) and Precious (brain) failures

[YogurtProducer]

Wouldn't it be better to find another Koloko in the draft and then mold him into the passing big we want to fit behind Poeltl? So when we are ready to compete in 2027, we have a young backup C coming into his own. Instead of a 33yo taking up that roster spot and mins over the next two years? We are rebuilding right?

It's a 2 year extension that will lock both Poeltl and Olynyk into contracts paying them a combined $32 million to take up most of the minutes at C, so any big man drafted this year with the Indiana or Detroit pick would likely spend their time split between the G league and the Raptors developing into someone who can play 20+ minutes per night by the time these 2 are ready to move onto other teams or have their roles adjusted to accommodate the drafted big man and his development.

That looks like the plan. I don't agree with it but I can see the POV the FO is half giving up on developing its own C after the Koloko (health) and Precious (brain) failures

You think the FO is just going to give up on an entire position?

[DelAbbot]

It's a 2 year extension that will lock both Poeltl and Olynyk into contracts paying them a combined $32 million to take up most of the minutes at C, so any big man drafted this year with the Indiana or Detroit pick would likely spend their time split between the G league and the Raptors developing into someone who can play 20+ minutes per night by the time these 2 are ready to move onto other teams or have their roles adjusted to accommodate the drafted big man and his development.

That looks like the plan. I don't agree with it but I can see the POV the FO is half giving up on developing its own C after the Koloko (health) and Precious (brain) failures

You think the FO is just going to give up on an entire position?

I mean they give up on developing C internally for the final team surrounding Scottie Barnes. They obviously made trades for established C recently (Poeltl, Kelly O)

[Duffman100]

That looks like the plan. I don't agree with it but I can see the POV the FO is half giving up on developing its own C after the Koloko (health) and Precious (brain) failures

You think the FO is just going to give up on an entire position?

I mean they give up on developing C internally for the final team surrounding Scottie Barnes. They obviously made trades for established C recently (Poeltl, Kelly O)

They had just drafted someone who went down with a career ending injury. They went into this season with hope that their drafted center was going to get rotation minutes.

Just because they acquired a backup doesn't mean they don't have interest in drafting another young center to develop.

[Boardbreaker]

You think the FO is just going to give up on an entire position?

I mean they give up on developing C internally for the final team surrounding Scottie Barnes. They obviously made trades for established C recently (Poeltl, Kelly O)

They had just drafted someone who went down with a career ending injury. They went into this season with hope that their drafted center was going to get rotation minutes.

Just because they acquired a backup doesn't mean they don't have interest in drafting another young center to develop.

They also had just started giving Olynyk minutes at the 4 before the rest of our starting front court went down. It’s likely he’ll be playing minutes there as well once we have a healthy rotation next season.

[ontnut]

That looks like the plan. I don't agree with it but I can see the POV the FO is half giving up on developing its own C after the Koloko (health) and Precious (brain) failures

You think the FO is just going to give up on an entire position?

I mean they give up on developing C internally for the final team surrounding Scottie Barnes. They obviously made trades for established C recently (Poeltl, Kelly O)

Lol so I guess we should just trade the rest of our 1st round picks because our 2nd round C from 2 years ago got a career ending illness. We're OBVIOUSLY not going to draft or develop other C's because our drafted one got sick, so we signed a stopgap.

You're kidding right? "Final team surrounding Barnes" is solidified in the first 2 months of a rebuild?

I can't. I just can't.

[dohboy_24]

Between Poeltl and Kelly that's about 32+12 mins = 44 mins of the C position gone. How are we supposed to give mins to the next Koloko to get mins to develop? That's why I said if the goal is to unload Poeltl, Kelly's extension makes sense, otherwise it's stupid in the context of our rebuild next year.

When the original Koloko was drafted, who did we have at C? Precious, and Birch? That's not many guaranteed mins ahead of Koloko, and that's a good choice to give Koloko mins to develop.

Of all the positions, stability at the C is a plus at anytime, but especially during a rebuild that is focused around Scottie.

For the price you're paying them and what you're getting in exchange for the minutes they're playing, a JP & KO combo can be expected to produce the following average stats each and every game for the next 2 years:

JP = 26 minutes per game, 10 points, 8 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 steal, 1 block
KO = 20 minutes per game, 10 points, 4 rebounds, 3 assists, 2 steals, 1 block
TOTAL = 46 minutes per game, 20 points, 12 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 steals, 2 blocks

For a total of $32.7 million per season [JP ($19.5) + KO ($13.2)] over the next 2 years, giving the bulk of the minutes to JP and KO is a much better bet than unloading Poeltl and/or not extending KO and hoping to draft a C who can play 15+ minutes a night as a rookie.

While there are a handful of players taller than 6'10" who could be available around the Indiana pick - Kyle Filipowski (7'0"), Tyler Smith (6'11"), Kel'el Ware (7'0"), Yves Missi (7'0"), Ulrich Chomche (6'11"), Donovan Clingan (7'2") - none of them are going to take more than maybe 10 minutes per game of playing time away from JP & KO over course the next 2 years and since their long-term growth and development is better served being mentored by such players, you can squeeze even more value from JP & KO as they teach and prepare one of the above to play 20-25 minutes per night as their replacement.

[JB7]

The numbers are fine but this was the max extension we could give him. Why did we not try to negotiate at all?
It's the poeltl trap again, we gave up a first round pick so can't risk losing him for nothing.

They got lucky that he was interested in negotiating at all, because he could only extend for 2 years now. He could have chosen to wait until the offseason, where a longer deal could have possibly been available.

He's turning 33 in April, so a 2 year deal is perfect. So what if they paid a little more on an annual basis. They have a lot of cap space, and it is probably better to have him on a 2 year $26M deal than a 3 year $30M deal.

could he have gotten 3 years? like you say, he's 33. Who wants to sign him through his age 36 season.

You never know if he gets to FA. Some team might throw a 3 year MLE max deal at him.

[YogurtProducer]

You think the FO is just going to give up on an entire position?

I mean they give up on developing C internally for the final team surrounding Scottie Barnes. They obviously made trades for established C recently (Poeltl, Kelly O)

Lol so I guess we should just trade the rest of our 1st round picks because our 2nd round C from 2 years ago got a career ending illness. We're OBVIOUSLY not going to draft or develop other C's because our drafted one got sick, so we signed a stopgap.

You're kidding right? "Final team surrounding Barnes" is solidified in the first 2 months of a rebuild?

I can't. I just can't.

I find it funny the usernames who most badly wanted the full tank/rebuild are the most impatient ones now

[DelAbbot]

I mean they give up on developing C internally for the final team surrounding Scottie Barnes. They obviously made trades for established C recently (Poeltl, Kelly O)

Lol so I guess we should just trade the rest of our 1st round picks because our 2nd round C from 2 years ago got a career ending illness. We're OBVIOUSLY not going to draft or develop other C's because our drafted one got sick, so we signed a stopgap.

You're kidding right? "Final team surrounding Barnes" is solidified in the first 2 months of a rebuild?

I can't. I just can't.

I find it funny the usernames who most badly wanted the full tank/rebuild are the most impatient ones now

what are you guys talking about? I said the C mins over the next 2 years are being mostly used up between Poeltl and Kelly O, and should be used for a prospect - is that being impatient?

[kalel123]

Why are people bitching about a role player getting role player money for 2 freakin' years? Who TF is a $13M a year contract going to block us from signing for 2 years?

Olynyk knows how to play the game and he's versatile enough that he can cross between 4 and 5 so he's not going to get in the way of nobody. Never mind the fact that we have a gaping hole at 4 to fill still. But if a prospect comes along that's worth developing with Olynyk's minutes, you think they are going to think twice about sitting him down? And dude becomes an expiring after next season. What TF is the downside?

[youngRAPZ]

Between Poeltl and Kelly that's about 32+12 mins = 44 mins of the C position gone. How are we supposed to give mins to the next Koloko to get mins to develop? That's why I said if the goal is to unload Poeltl, Kelly's extension makes sense, otherwise it's stupid in the context of our rebuild next year.

When the original Koloko was drafted, who did we have at C? Precious, and Birch? That's not many guaranteed mins ahead of Koloko, and that's a good choice to give Koloko mins to develop.

You do realize Kelly can play PF

[niQ]

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