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Re: Your Realsitic Raptors Offseason 

Post#241 » by youngRAPZ » Mon May 27, 2024 6:10 pm

ConSarnit wrote:
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Rodrickle wrote:With a likely improved Gradey, and Hopefully Quickly RJ and Barnes, plus an an added backup big, forward and backup guard, I think we can fight for the play in next year with Brooklyn, Bulls and maybe even Atlanta taking a step back. I disagree with the earlier take that RJ is best at SF/PF. He was way worse in NY when he was playing mostly those positions. He might not have the best lateral quicks, but he seems seems to be a neutral at worst defender at the SG slot and can disrupt the offensive player with his size length at least. He's a better matchup problem on offense using his size and strength against smaller players, basically a SG/SF.

The thing I find funny is all these people who hate on RJ are the same people who have been begging Masai to tear it down and tank for prospects that are even worse than RJ and Quick :lol: I mean they wanted us to rebuild after the 2020 bubble season and now we traded those players they wanted us to trade for young proven players from those drafts but now they still complain about them being on our team and just further want to trade and tank. Sounds a lot like what Philly did tank draft decent prospects and trade them cuz they aren’t Embiid and then once you get Embiid struggle and not even make it out the second round for a decade only to do it again.


I think most people think that RJ might not be a great fit here long term. Most people are also saying the easiest way to tank would be to trade Poeltl.

We are still missing high end talent. There is no guarantee that a IQ/RJ/Barnes core is a team that is going anywhere. The average outcome for that trio is probably 1 all-star and 2 solid role players. You can’t build a title contender around that. Taking a 1-year step back is not the worst idea in the world, especially if we are going to be a 32 win team next year anyways.

What do you think the ceiling is for a team where the core is BBQ?

If I’m being honest I don’t see bbq as a championship core and that’s ok because I see potential for RJ and Quick to improve based on what I seen to end last season. So I actually agree with Masai to let them have a chance to prove how good they can be if relatively healthy. That means bringing in help off the bench and keeping a steady C in the starting lineup. Now if after new years the team isn’t performing then sure I’m all in on dealing Jak and bottoming out for one last chance at that number 1 guy. But they deserve a chance to show what they got. I do not have a crystal ball like these guys who claim RJ can never defend the 2 or any position and will have to come off the bench. I’m sure these same people said that about wiggins in Minnesota and now he’s a known defender in the league. My problem is these people who sit on this board and speak as if their opinion is fact and I’m dumb for thinking Masai is human and can’t bat 1000%
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Re: Your Realsitic Raptors Offseason 

Post#242 » by ConSarnit » Mon May 27, 2024 7:19 pm

youngRAPZ wrote:
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youngRAPZ wrote:The thing I find funny is all these people who hate on RJ are the same people who have been begging Masai to tear it down and tank for prospects that are even worse than RJ and Quick :lol: I mean they wanted us to rebuild after the 2020 bubble season and now we traded those players they wanted us to trade for young proven players from those drafts but now they still complain about them being on our team and just further want to trade and tank. Sounds a lot like what Philly did tank draft decent prospects and trade them cuz they aren’t Embiid and then once you get Embiid struggle and not even make it out the second round for a decade only to do it again.


I think most people think that RJ might not be a great fit here long term. Most people are also saying the easiest way to tank would be to trade Poeltl.

We are still missing high end talent. There is no guarantee that a IQ/RJ/Barnes core is a team that is going anywhere. The average outcome for that trio is probably 1 all-star and 2 solid role players. You can’t build a title contender around that. Taking a 1-year step back is not the worst idea in the world, especially if we are going to be a 32 win team next year anyways.

What do you think the ceiling is for a team where the core is BBQ?

If I’m being honest I don’t see bbq as a championship core and that’s ok because I see potential for RJ and Quick to improve based on what I seen to end last season. So I actually agree with Masai to let them have a chance to prove how good they can be if relatively healthy. That means bringing in help off the bench and keeping a steady C in the starting lineup. Now if after new years the team isn’t performing then sure I’m all in on dealing Jak and bottoming out for one last chance at that number 1 guy. But they deserve a chance to show what they got. I do not have a crystal ball like these guys who claim RJ can never defend the 2 or any position and will have to come off the bench. I’m sure these same people said that about wiggins in Minnesota and now he’s a known defender in the league. My problem is these people who sit on this board and speak as if their opinion is fact and I’m dumb for thinking Masai is human and can’t bat 1000%


I’m not opposed to giving these guys a shot to start out the season (I assume that’s how it’s going to go anyways). I just think the team is a 33 win team next year so I’m sort of in the “what’s the point of trying from the get go” camp. Or maybe just pull the plug after 25 games next year instead of 33 (like we did last season). The draft is strong next year, if we’re back in development mode that’s going to cost us some wins (playing the young guys) and the cores ceiling isn’t that high imo. There would be worse years to take a step back. I could easily be wrong if Scottie and IQ take a big jump. I’d just hate to see us miss the playin and then end up drafting 10th overall.

As per RJ: he’s played better here than I thought he would but he feels like the type of guy you’re always looking to upgrade because his ancillary skills don’t line up that well with his role. If he gets supplanted in the pecking order his skills become less valuable (generally you want 3+D type players as your support guys). RJ is a Drive & midD player and that’s an odd fit. He’s still a solid player who could improve but he sort of feels like a placeholder. I’d be happy to be proven wrong though.
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Re: Your Realsitic Raptors Offseason 

Post#243 » by Rodrickle » Tue May 28, 2024 11:41 am

ConSarnit wrote:
youngRAPZ wrote:
Rodrickle wrote:With a likely improved Gradey, and Hopefully Quickly RJ and Barnes, plus an an added backup big, forward and backup guard, I think we can fight for the play in next year with Brooklyn, Bulls and maybe even Atlanta taking a step back. I disagree with the earlier take that RJ is best at SF/PF. He was way worse in NY when he was playing mostly those positions. He might not have the best lateral quicks, but he seems seems to be a neutral at worst defender at the SG slot and can disrupt the offensive player with his size length at least. He's a better matchup problem on offense using his size and strength against smaller players, basically a SG/SF.

The thing I find funny is all these people who hate on RJ are the same people who have been begging Masai to tear it down and tank for prospects that are even worse than RJ and Quick :lol: I mean they wanted us to rebuild after the 2020 bubble season and now we traded those players they wanted us to trade for young proven players from those drafts but now they still complain about them being on our team and just further want to trade and tank. Sounds a lot like what Philly did tank draft decent prospects and trade them cuz they aren’t Embiid and then once you get Embiid struggle and not even make it out the second round for a decade only to do it again.


I think most people think that RJ might not be a great fit here long term. Most people are also saying the easiest way to tank would be to trade Poeltl.

We are still missing high end talent. There is no guarantee that a IQ/RJ/Barnes core is a team that is going anywhere. The average outcome for that trio is probably 1 all-star and 2 solid role players. You can’t build a title contender around that. Taking a 1-year step back is not the worst idea in the world, especially if we are going to be a 32 win team next year anyways.

What do you think the ceiling is for a team where the core is BBQ?


No idea, but really no one knows. they're still young so its not too late for them to take the next step. Look at Markannens and Derrick Whites development curve. Hopefully they're working on their games hard this offseason. Gradey included. I think we might be a potential play in team now with a healthy starting lineup and an added bench piece or two with some of the competition from 7-10 maybe considering rebuilds, or at least reaching their peak. Barnes hopefully takes the next step. I'm not optimistic of him being a superstar, but you never know lol. I think that's what the front office hopes anyway.
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Re: Your Realsitic Raptors Offseason 

Post#244 » by agkagk » Fri Jun 14, 2024 12:00 am

Random idea….


I know we need a 3 and d wing, buuut we also need to teach quick to play in the halfcourt.

So my idea: renounce bruce, let gary walk, sign demar for 3 x 90 something


Hes positionally sound on d and is an expert in half court execution.


Rj - quick - demar - barnes - jakub
Dick - monte morris - acbaji - kelly - young pogo stick


The new kids go to the 905

The main goal is to develop bbq into winning players.

Edit: we could prob get by with a rookie back up pg - kelly, demar, scottie, rj can all initiate the offence.

Maybe sign a 3 and d veteran for the bench in lieu of a traditional backup pg?
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Re: Your Realsitic Raptors Offseason 

Post#245 » by hyper316 » Fri Jun 14, 2024 12:16 am

agkagk wrote:Random idea….


I know we need a 3 and d wing, buuut we also need to teach quick to play in the halfcourt.

So my idea: renounce bruce, let gary walk, sign demar for 3 x 90 something


Hes positionally sound on d and is an expert in half court execution.


Rj - quick - demar - barnes - jakub
Dick - monte morris - acbaji - kelly - young pogo stick


The new kids go to the 905

The main goal is to develop bbq into winning players.

Edit: we could prob get by with a rookie back up pg - kelly, demar, scottie, rj can all initiate the offence.

Maybe sign a 3 and d veteran for the bench in lieu of a traditional backup pg?


DeMar is the exact anti 3 and d. No 3 no d
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Re: Your Realsitic Raptors Offseason 

Post#246 » by agkagk » Fri Jun 14, 2024 12:26 am

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agkagk wrote:Random idea….


I know we need a 3 and d wing, buuut we also need to teach quick to play in the halfcourt.

So my idea: renounce bruce, let gary walk, sign demar for 3 x 90 something


Hes positionally sound on d and is an expert in half court execution.


Rj - quick - demar - barnes - jakub
Dick - monte morris - acbaji - kelly - young pogo stick


The new kids go to the 905

The main goal is to develop bbq into winning players.

Edit: we could prob get by with a rookie back up pg - kelly, demar, scottie, rj can all initiate the offence.

Maybe sign a 3 and d veteran for the bench in lieu of a traditional backup pg?


DeMar is the exact opposite of a 3 and d. No 3 no d



Ya for sure. Not an ideal fit, but as i was trying to allude to; hes positionally sound on d and excellent in the role of “floor general”.

Indirectly he’d be excellent at instilling winning 3 and d habits into our youth (humour my lousy adjective game lol).

I mean (this wont happen), but if we could sign demar to start at the 3 and couple that with signing kcp to be our 6 man; kcp demar kelly jakub — thats a Championship calibre group of vet role players.


Demar, kcp, rookie pg and a cheap young rim runner (random name); like jaxson hayes.

Send most of our youth to the 905 and run with a rotation of

Rj quick dick acbaji barnes
Demar kcp kelly jakub

That team on paper is as good or better than all but 3 or 4 teams in the east.

Spoiler warning: i expect us to aim big and settle for something like caleb martin at the 3 and delon wright backing up the 1
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Re: Your Realsitic Raptors Offseason 

Post#247 » by YogurtProducer » Fri Jun 14, 2024 2:58 pm

agkagk wrote:Random idea….


I know we need a 3 and d wing, buuut we also need to teach quick to play in the halfcourt.

So my idea: renounce bruce, let gary walk, sign demar for 3 x 90 something


Hes positionally sound on d and is an expert in half court execution.


Rj - quick - demar - barnes - jakub
Dick - monte morris - acbaji - kelly - young pogo stick


The new kids go to the 905

The main goal is to develop bbq into winning players.

Edit: we could prob get by with a rookie back up pg - kelly, demar, scottie, rj can all initiate the offence.

Maybe sign a 3 and d veteran for the bench in lieu of a traditional backup pg?

So lets renounce the 25 and 27 year olds and sign a 35 year old who is a horrible fit with RJ and Barnes. RJ/Demar/Barnes is just the homeless mans version of SIakam/OG/Barnes :lol:
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Re: Your Realsitic Raptors Offseason 

Post#248 » by ArthurVandelay » Fri Jun 14, 2024 3:39 pm

The objectives here are realistic (Raptors add assets, everyone else avoids luxury tax and can retain players), the trade maybe not so much, but I'd love to see it:

When it is all said and done this is what it looks like, but the trade is actually 3 separate transactions:

Raptors: Kleber, Hardaway Jr, Konchar, Williams, Huerter, #9, #13, 2025 1st, 2025 Por 2nd (from Sacramento)
Mavs: McDaniels, Vezenkov
Memphis: Poeltl (decline option or trade Kennard into another team's cap space)
Kings: JFL, Boucher, #19

Trade 1:
Raptors - Kleber, 2025 first from Dallas
Mavs - McDaniels
Kings - JFL

Trade 2:
Raptors - THJr, Konchar, Williams, #9
Mavs - Vezenkov
Memphis - Poeltl
Kings - protected 2nd from someone

Trade 3:
Raptors - Huerter, #13
Kings - Boucher, #19

Mavs save $17.5m next year (resign Jones Jr) and fill out roster plus save 2025-2026 Kleber $11m.
Memphis gets their C and under tax.
Kings save $11m this year and off Huerter next year.

Raptors end up very guard/small wing heavy but it's a long summer to balance it out.

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