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Why Are We Extending Scottie Now And Not Later In The Season?

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Re: Why Are We Extending Scottie Now And Not Later In The Season? 

Post#21 » by Blazing_royale » Mon Jun 24, 2024 7:29 pm

You can crunch all the numbers you want but you can't crunch emotional intelligence.
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Re: Why Are We Extending Scottie Now And Not Later In The Season? 

Post#22 » by will » Mon Jun 24, 2024 7:48 pm

Blazing_royale wrote:You can crunch all the numbers you want but you can't crunch emotional intelligence.


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Re: Why Are We Extending Scottie Now And Not Later In The Season? 

Post#23 » by WaltFrazier » Mon Jun 24, 2024 7:52 pm

TheGeneral99 wrote:He's a 22 year old all-star, that's why.

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Re: Why Are We Extending Scottie Now And Not Later In The Season? 

Post#24 » by will » Mon Jun 24, 2024 7:54 pm

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TheGeneral99 wrote:He's a 22 year old all-star, that's why.

Don't forget face of the league


One step at a time, Walt.

Need to avoid the too much, too soon scenario. That extension is hefty. Just need the Raptors to ensure that he has the proper support going forward and they don't leave him stranded.
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Re: Why Are We Extending Scottie Now And Not Later In The Season? 

Post#25 » by WaltFrazier » Mon Jun 24, 2024 7:55 pm

will wrote:
WaltFrazier wrote:
TheGeneral99 wrote:He's a 22 year old all-star, that's why.

Don't forget face of the league


One step at a time, Walt.

Need to avoid the too much, too soon scenario. That extension is hefty. Just need the Raptors to ensure that he has the proper support going forward and they don't leave him stranded.

I was just paraphrasing Darko. :D
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Re: Why Are We Extending Scottie Now And Not Later In The Season? 

Post#26 » by will » Mon Jun 24, 2024 8:04 pm

WaltFrazier wrote:
will wrote:
WaltFrazier wrote:Don't forget face of the league


One step at a time, Walt.

Need to avoid the too much, too soon scenario. That extension is hefty. Just need the Raptors to ensure that he has the proper support going forward and they don't leave him stranded.

I was just paraphrasing Darko. :D


Oh, Darko....

Man is in for another long season. :lol:
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Re: Why Are We Extending Scottie Now And Not Later In The Season? 

Post#27 » by Drakeem » Mon Jun 24, 2024 8:30 pm

He made the all star game and was the ROTY. Even if he tore his ACL he probably gets this contact. Replace his name with any other young player who has that resume going into year 4. There's no reason to wait.
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Re: Why Are We Extending Scottie Now And Not Later In The Season? 

Post#28 » by Jcity08 » Mon Jun 24, 2024 11:03 pm

Locking Barnes down for the future was our top priority, he is the superstar potential glue-guy our team needs, and we're going to build around the competive advantage he provides to this team.
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Re: Why Are We Extending Scottie Now And Not Later In The Season? 

Post#29 » by Vampirate » Mon Jun 24, 2024 11:11 pm

Scase wrote:Because we've already seen how waiting works with FVV/Siakam, you don't poison the well with a 22 year old who made an all star game in his 3rd year. This is a normal approach, using Simmons as a cautionary tale is absurd, that has happened basically once.

Not offering it now is high risk, low reward.


Ben got better as a player defensively but showed no improvement as a player offensively.

It's lazy reasoning.
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Re: Why Are We Extending Scottie Now And Not Later In The Season? 

Post#30 » by ontnut » Tue Jun 25, 2024 12:00 am

Because you don't play chicken with your star player on the 1% off-chance he implodes.
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Re: Why Are We Extending Scottie Now And Not Later In The Season? 

Post#31 » by LordByronScott » Tue Jun 25, 2024 12:20 am

geokilla wrote:I'm only using Ben Simmons as a worst case scenario. With the max contract, he's expected to take a huge step forward, or maybe even a leap. If he doesn't like Gary Trent didn't, then that doesn't make him an overpayment and we're stuck for the next 5 or more years as he'd become untradable. I understand the human part of the game and needing to keep him happy but even if we waited a 2 months to see how the off season plays out, wouldn't that have been more beneficial for both parties?

With all due respect, I don't think you have a good grasp of the long term importance of interpersonal relationships.
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Re: Why Are We Extending Scottie Now And Not Later In The Season? 

Post#32 » by dTox » Tue Jun 25, 2024 12:26 am

You don't wait on a talent like Scottie Barnes, you get that contract signed and don't look back. It was GO time, the moment the finals ended.

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Re: Why Are We Extending Scottie Now And Not Later In The Season? 

Post#33 » by MoMan24 » Tue Jun 25, 2024 12:39 am

MiamiSPX wrote:Whether he "deserves" it or not is subjective. If the Raps told him to wait so they can assess whether or not they want to give it to him, his agent would immediately ask them to trade him to one of the other 20 teams that would gladly pay him the maximum for which he is eligible.

Actually its not. He objectively deserves this contract after averaging 20/8/6 with almost 3 stocks a game while being an extremely versatile and highly effective player on both ends of the court. Winning ROY and being an All-Star doesn't hurt either. Some of yall really are telling on yourselves right now. He is a max player in the open market today which is why he was extended as fast as humanly possible.
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Re: Why Are We Extending Scottie Now And Not Later In The Season? 

Post#34 » by MiamiSPX » Tue Jun 25, 2024 12:41 am

MoMan24 wrote:
MiamiSPX wrote:Whether he "deserves" it or not is subjective. If the Raps told him to wait so they can assess whether or not they want to give it to him, his agent would immediately ask them to trade him to one of the other 20 teams that would gladly pay him the maximum for which he is eligible.

Actually its not. He objectively deserves this contract after averaging 20/8/6 with almost 3 stocks a game while being an extremely versatile and highly effective player on both ends of the court. Winning ROY and being an All-Star doesn't hurt either. Some of yall really are telling on yourselves right now.


I am irrationally high on Scottie and defend him at every turn, so not sure what you're going on about.
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Re: Why Are We Extending Scottie Now And Not Later In The Season? 

Post#35 » by MoMan24 » Tue Jun 25, 2024 12:43 am

MiamiSPX wrote:
MoMan24 wrote:
MiamiSPX wrote:Whether he "deserves" it or not is subjective. If the Raps told him to wait so they can assess whether or not they want to give it to him, his agent would immediately ask them to trade him to one of the other 20 teams that would gladly pay him the maximum for which he is eligible.

Actually its not. He objectively deserves this contract after averaging 20/8/6 with almost 3 stocks a game while being an extremely versatile and highly effective player on both ends of the court. Winning ROY and being an All-Star doesn't hurt either. Some of yall really are telling on yourselves right now.


I am irrationally high on Scottie and defend him at every turn, so not sure what you're going on about.

Simply that him deserving this contract is subjective. It's not.
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Re: Why Are We Extending Scottie Now And Not Later In The Season? 

Post#36 » by MoneyBall » Tue Jun 25, 2024 12:51 am

The only serious risk I can think of is if he suffers a terrible injury that ruins his career trajectory. But signing him now shows full commitment, so I'm cool with it.
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Re: Why Are We Extending Scottie Now And Not Later In The Season? 

Post#37 » by Indeed » Tue Jun 25, 2024 1:16 am

geokilla wrote:Wouldn't it make more sense to extend him in the season or even next off season so we can evaluate to see whether he truly deserves the max contract? We still have his rights even if he's a free agent next off season don't we? I don't see the point in extending him now. If he suddenly becomes Ben Simmons lite and loses the ability to pay, Scottie just got a max and we're screwed for at least the next 5 years.


Maybe Rudy Gay is the better comparison? I also like to see if he reaches all-star status without Siakam next year, but waiting until half the season is too late.
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Re: Why Are We Extending Scottie Now And Not Later In The Season? 

Post#38 » by 2019nbachamps » Tue Jun 25, 2024 1:34 am

It’s not our money, who cares.
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Re: Why Are We Extending Scottie Now And Not Later In The Season? 

Post#39 » by OakleyDokely » Tue Jun 25, 2024 1:45 am

The extensions off rookie scale contracts are typically very solid value. You're getting a players prime years for the most part, so even if they underachieve, it's not the end of the world.

In this case, the Raps really had to choice, unless they wanted a pissed off Scottie. Scottie has been one of the best, if not the best player from his draft class, so if he doesn't deserve it, nobody really does.

The max is also coming for Cade, Mobley, Wagner, Sengun.

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