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Re: Barkley calls Canadians fools over Gretzky 

Post#41 » by Raptors Realtor » Sat Mar 8, 2025 9:18 pm

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I mean if he ends the war in Ukraine, he will have a case. He's also halted hostilities in Gaza for the most part (despite the breaches of the ceasefire by a certain state).

He's setting himself up very well for that award


The only way the war in Ukraine ends with the help from Trump is if a) Putin is rewarded with mass Ukraine land & resources, and b) Trump & the US negotiate a massive economic & natural resource windfall for themselves... Both will cripple Ukraine for generations/perpetuity... It's basically Trump offering Zelensky & Ukraine a life preserver in the middle of the ocean, he wants to take full advantage of the desperate.


The war in Ukraine will end swiftly and no, Russia won't walk back their from their gains. Unfortunately, Ukraine holds zero leverage and the alternative is for them to get even more men killed. Vance laid it bare last week in front of the press and without NATO weaponry, Zelenskyy himself is a dead man walking. The clock is ticking and the nadir approaches, very fast


I, as someone who has Russian roots find what is happening to Ukraine deplorable. NATO is large, and has support from the other major members, it's Trump/Vance who is taking this hard stance because they don't want to disappoint their mentor Putin, and also want to find a way for the US to benefit at the same time because they like stealing from Peter to pay Paul... Peter being the weak/poor, and Paul being the rich.
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Re: Barkley calls Canadians fools over Gretzky 

Post#42 » by ItsDanger » Sat Mar 8, 2025 9:31 pm

Its sad listening to tariffs debate, mostly on American side, how absolutely clueless Trump's advisors are about various industries.
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Re: Barkley calls Canadians fools over Gretzky 

Post#43 » by PaulKellerman » Sat Mar 8, 2025 9:32 pm

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The only way the war in Ukraine ends with the help from Trump is if a) Putin is rewarded with mass Ukraine land & resources, and b) Trump & the US negotiate a massive economic & natural resource windfall for themselves... Both will cripple Ukraine for generations/perpetuity... It's basically Trump offering Zelensky & Ukraine a life preserver in the middle of the ocean, he wants to take full advantage of the desperate.


The war in Ukraine will end swiftly and no, Russia won't walk back their from their gains. Unfortunately, Ukraine holds zero leverage and the alternative is for them to get even more men killed. Vance laid it bare last week in front of the press and without NATO weaponry, Zelenskyy himself is a dead man walking. The clock is ticking and the nadir approaches, very fast


So your idea of peace is using the threat of war to try to get the smaller nation to comply. Do you understand what Peace is? It seems you would be in the front lines helping the Trump administration take over Canadian borders so you can call it helping them achieve peace with us?

By your definition Putin attacking Ukraine was an attempt at peace.


You think nations being used as launch pads by larger powers to project power will lead to peace? That is a surefire way to get everyone killed in MAD

Ukraine as a NATO base threatening a great power in Russia? How would the USA like it if there were ICBMs in Cuba again? I suggest you open a book and develop even a modicum of critical thinking before engaging in a topic so layered and complex. Clearly, the machinations allude you.

I've served in the CAF-Do not for a second insinuate that I'd ever let anything get in the way of defending this country.

It's keyboard warriors such as yourself that are adept at projecting their inadequacies onto others.
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Re: Barkley calls Canadians fools over Gretzky 

Post#44 » by PaulKellerman » Sat Mar 8, 2025 9:34 pm

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The only way the war in Ukraine ends with the help from Trump is if a) Putin is rewarded with mass Ukraine land & resources, and b) Trump & the US negotiate a massive economic & natural resource windfall for themselves... Both will cripple Ukraine for generations/perpetuity... It's basically Trump offering Zelensky & Ukraine a life preserver in the middle of the ocean, he wants to take full advantage of the desperate.


The war in Ukraine will end swiftly and no, Russia won't walk back their from their gains. Unfortunately, Ukraine holds zero leverage and the alternative is for them to get even more men killed. Vance laid it bare last week in front of the press and without NATO weaponry, Zelenskyy himself is a dead man walking. The clock is ticking and the nadir approaches, very fast

Ultimately, any "peace deal" needs to answer:

1. Will it protect Ukraine’s sovereignty long-term?
2. Will it deter further Russian aggression?
3. Does it give Ukraine security guarantees, or just delay another war?

Going by what Vance or Trump said is pretty stupid, it's obvious they have no idea what they are doing.

If Trump truly ends the war while ensuring Ukraine remains a viable, independent state, that would be a huge diplomatic achievement. But if his solution is just "Give Russia what it wants and walk away," it’s not peace it’s forced surrender.

The land Russia is occupying needs to go back to Ukraine, otherwise it sets a precendent for future land grabs. I think that's pretty easy to understand.


I agree with your argument however who will liberate those lands? NATO? It seems that we're in a new era where international norms of the last 7 decades are going away swiftly. Big powers will use whatever means at their disposal to attain objectives and move unilaterally.
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Re: Barkley calls Canadians fools over Gretzky 

Post#45 » by PaulKellerman » Sat Mar 8, 2025 9:38 pm

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The only way the war in Ukraine ends with the help from Trump is if a) Putin is rewarded with mass Ukraine land & resources, and b) Trump & the US negotiate a massive economic & natural resource windfall for themselves... Both will cripple Ukraine for generations/perpetuity... It's basically Trump offering Zelensky & Ukraine a life preserver in the middle of the ocean, he wants to take full advantage of the desperate.


The war in Ukraine will end swiftly and no, Russia won't walk back their from their gains. Unfortunately, Ukraine holds zero leverage and the alternative is for them to get even more men killed. Vance laid it bare last week in front of the press and without NATO weaponry, Zelenskyy himself is a dead man walking. The clock is ticking and the nadir approaches, very fast


I, as someone who has Russian roots find what is happening to Ukraine deplorable. NATO is large, and has support from the other major members, it's Trump/Vance who is taking this hard stance because they don't want to disappoint their mentor Putin, and also want to find a way for the US to benefit at the same time because they like stealing from Peter to pay Paul... Peter being the weak/poor, and Paul being the rich.


I feel for the people in Ukraine-However, NATO without the USA is nothing. England, France and Germany are a shell of their former selves. That is the sad reality.
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Re: Barkley calls Canadians fools over Gretzky 

Post#46 » by Duffman100 » Sat Mar 8, 2025 9:40 pm

As usual this is for either current affairs or off topic Canada.

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