Draft Thread Part 2

[mtcan]

While i understand the importance of defense, i feel like the raptors have enough solid to good defenders, we need some offensive creation. I would prioritize a scorer or shot creator in this draft.

I'm prioritizing a scorer...a shot maker...someone who has a versatile offensive game that doesn't play exclusively to drive the ball straight to the basket or hang back and just shoot 3s.

It seems that our system takes guys with great measurements or work ethics and underdeveloped offensive games and emphasizes those 2 methods of scoring...and when you have a team that is just full of the same kind of offensive weapons...teams know exactly how to shut you down.

Who in the 7-10 range can get you a bucket from anywhere on the floor?

[Indeed]

I guess if he's a legit 6'10. Kevin Love with unproven 3pt range.

That is a good comparison. Maybe Love lite.
He will be limited as PF, does not have enough wingspan to be a C.

[Jadoogar]

While i understand the importance of defense, i feel like the raptors have enough solid to good defenders, we need some offensive creation. I would prioritize a scorer or shot creator in this draft.

In top 10, I hope we aim for both. I suppose the shot creator may not be dominating, but I still prefer a solid defender.
I feel we are better taking someone raw, as I think we have more success with OG and Siakam than someone who is more proven.

OG and Siakam were taken in the 20s. OG would have gone higher if he didn't have injury concerns. Someone as raw as Siakam probably doesn't go top 10. Raw players can be hit (Giannis) or miss (countless players taken based elite athleticism, hello Jan Vesley)
In the top 10, we have the option to look are slightly more developed players

[Psubs]

While i understand the importance of defense, i feel like the raptors have enough solid to good defenders, we need some offensive creation. I would prioritize a scorer or shot creator in this draft.

I'm prioritizing a scorer...a shot maker...someone who has a versatile offensive game that doesn't play exclusively to drive the ball straight to the basket or hang back and just shoot 3s.

It seems that our system takes guys with great measurements or work ethics and underdeveloped offensive games and emphasizes those 2 methods of scoring...and when you have a team that is just full of the same kind of offensive weapons...teams know exactly how to shut you down.

Who in the 7-10 range can get you a bucket from anywhere on the floor?

If Lonzo can fix his janky shot and shoot 38% from 3, then if you can shoot at least 30% there is hope.

[VanWest82]

Raptors 21&22 1sts for Jalen Green. Same deal Dallas made for Luka. Let's go big.

[tdotrep2]

i can see masai trying to trade up into the top 5 if we strike out, just keep tanking tho

[mtcan]

Having an adequate jump shot and 3 point range ought to be table stakes for any prospective lottery pick today.

Being labelled as "raw" or a "project" doesn't fly any more when we no longer allow high school kids into the draft.

Center prospects might be the exception to this rule however but the ability to stretch the floor with 3 point range is definitely a plus.

I hate on guys like Ben Simmons because the promise was always there and even though he does a lot of good things on the court...he can never be counted on to carry a team to victory when his offensive game is so limited. I don't think we can count on these guys somehow becoming dominant offensive players if there no inkling of that prior to entering the league.

[Indeed]

While i understand the importance of defense, i feel like the raptors have enough solid to good defenders, we need some offensive creation. I would prioritize a scorer or shot creator in this draft.

In top 10, I hope we aim for both. I suppose the shot creator may not be dominating, but I still prefer a solid defender.
I feel we are better taking someone raw, as I think we have more success with OG and Siakam than someone who is more proven.

OG and Siakam were taken in the 20s. OG would have gone higher if he didn't have injury concerns. Someone as raw as Siakam probably doesn't go top 10. Raw players can be hit (Giannis) or miss (countless players taken based elite athleticism, hello Jan Vesley)
In the top 10, we have the option to look are slightly more developed players

Just say Brunno
This is why I am not obsess with the top 5 picks, and someone like OG and Leonard maybe best pick at 10 - 15.

Meanwhile, we may see these players picked a bit higher, because there are more organization has better scouting. Teams like Denver has been scouting pretty well in the last few drafts, so we might not see them in the 15 - 20 range. Drafting them at 10 isn't a bad idea anymore.

[Psubs]

In top 10, I hope we aim for both. I suppose the shot creator may not be dominating, but I still prefer a solid defender.
I feel we are better taking someone raw, as I think we have more success with OG and Siakam than someone who is more proven.

OG and Siakam were taken in the 20s. OG would have gone higher if he didn't have injury concerns. Someone as raw as Siakam probably doesn't go top 10. Raw players can be hit (Giannis) or miss (countless players taken based elite athleticism, hello Jan Vesley)
In the top 10, we have the option to look are slightly more developed players

Just say Brunno
This is why I am not obsess with the top 5 picks, and someone like OG and Leonard maybe best pick at 10 - 15.

Meanwhile, we may see these players picked a bit higher, because there are more organization has better scouting. Teams like Denver has been scouting pretty well in the last few drafts, so we might not see them in the 15 - 20 range. Drafting them at 10 isn't a bad idea anymore.

Who were they in last year's draft?

Saddiq Bey and Precious Achiuwa?

Who do you think they'll be in this year's draft?

[alpngso]

While i understand the importance of defense, i feel like the raptors have enough solid to good defenders, we need some offensive creation. I would prioritize a scorer or shot creator in this draft.

probably better to trade for Monk

[Psubs]

While i understand the importance of defense, i feel like the raptors have enough solid to good defenders, we need some offensive creation. I would prioritize a scorer or shot creator in this draft.

probably better to trade for Monk

I think Charlotte likes him and he's finally emerging as a gunner off the bench. Just get someone in a trade for Lowry.

[bboyskinnylegs]

Raptors 21&22 1sts for Jalen Green. Same deal Dallas made for Luka. Let's go big.

I don't think anyone deals Cade/Green/Mobley unless they're getting some established player in return (like Beal?). Trading down with one of those guys seems highly unlikely imo.

[Dalek]

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Good podcast with Giving and Woj on the draft. Givony likes Mitchell a lot as he is in his top ten.

This could be great if Mitchell bumps down a couple other prospects.

[VanWest82]

Raptors 21&22 1sts for Jalen Green. Same deal Dallas made for Luka. Let's go big.

I don't think anyone deals Cade/Green/Mobley unless they're getting some established player in return (like Beal?). Trading down with one of those guys seems highly unlikely imo.

I would've said the same thing about Luka and yet a dumb team traded him. It's unlikely but you never know.

[Yeezus_]

While i understand the importance of defense, i feel like the raptors have enough solid to good defenders, we need some offensive creation. I would prioritize a scorer or shot creator in this draft.

I'm prioritizing a scorer...a shot maker...someone who has a versatile offensive game that doesn't play exclusively to drive the ball straight to the basket or hang back and just shoot 3s.

It seems that our system takes guys with great measurements or work ethics and underdeveloped offensive games and emphasizes those 2 methods of scoring...and when you have a team that is just full of the same kind of offensive weapons...teams know exactly how to shut you down.

Who in the 7-10 range can get you a bucket from anywhere on the floor?

There's a fine line between a guy who has a good offensive game and a guy who puts up empty stats. Guys like Jordan Clarkson are shot creators but they dont do much else making their value limited.

You need to draft a guy who impacts winning and thats through a combination of IQ, playmaking and defense.

[Syd-TK3]

Really wish we had a 2nd pick in the 20s for a high potential drop pick

A pick for the Garuba project.

Or Boston

[Indeed]

OG and Siakam were taken in the 20s. OG would have gone higher if he didn't have injury concerns. Someone as raw as Siakam probably doesn't go top 10. Raw players can be hit (Giannis) or miss (countless players taken based elite athleticism, hello Jan Vesley)
In the top 10, we have the option to look are slightly more developed players

Just say Brunno
This is why I am not obsess with the top 5 picks, and someone like OG and Leonard maybe best pick at 10 - 15.

Meanwhile, we may see these players picked a bit higher, because there are more organization has better scouting. Teams like Denver has been scouting pretty well in the last few drafts, so we might not see them in the 15 - 20 range. Drafting them at 10 isn't a bad idea anymore.

Who were they in last year's draft?

Saddiq Bey and Precious Achiuwa?

Who do you think they'll be in this year's draft?

Nnaji, Jaden McDaniels?
Need to wait for the combine for this year, since picking based on physical ability would require the combine numbers.

[Spates]

While i understand the importance of defense, i feel like the raptors have enough solid to good defenders, we need some offensive creation. I would prioritize a scorer or shot creator in this draft.

I'm prioritizing a scorer...a shot maker...someone who has a versatile offensive game that doesn't play exclusively to drive the ball straight to the basket or hang back and just shoot 3s.

It seems that our system takes guys with great measurements or work ethics and underdeveloped offensive games and emphasizes those 2 methods of scoring...and when you have a team that is just full of the same kind of offensive weapons...teams know exactly how to shut you down.

Who in the 7-10 range can get you a bucket from anywhere on the floor?

There's a fine line between a guy who has a good offensive game and a guy who puts up empty stats. Guys like Jordan Clarkson are shot creators but they dont do much else making their value limited.

You need to draft a guy who impacts winning and thats through a combination of IQ, playmaking and defense.

The team sorely needs some playmaking. Someone that can pressure and compromise a defense.
Makes me curious about roster construction going forward. If GTJ counts as apart of the core then there's 4 guys locked up without any being a high level creator. I mean look at Boston, they've got some serious talent with Tatum and Brown but there's and ingredient missing. We've been spoiled with some seriously solid playmakers in DeRozan, Lowry, Kawhi, and Gasol. None of which were perfect but a combination of 2-3 made for dependable offences.

I'm all for the team's defense first philosophy. The best organizations are principled and have an identity. And so I'm super curious if playmaking will develop internally or come from the outside. If it comes in the form of new talent will there be an odd man out?

[Jcity08]

Whats everyone's scouting report on Josh Giddey, any chance he can slip to the 2nd round? I really feel like he might be an interesting project.

[Indeed]

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Good podcast with Giving and Woj on the draft. Givony likes Mitchell a lot as he is in his top ten.

This could be great if Mitchell bumps down a couple other prospects.

I don't think that impacts us much. I like his quickness, but it would be too high for us to take him, I suppose.