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2023 Draft Discussion Part 4

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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 4 

Post#1121 » by raincityraptors » Thu May 11, 2023 8:54 pm

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aye man, if hes in shape .. he's my pick lol.

Wow, he looks like a completely different dude. If the weight loss gives him more explosiveness and vertical pop on offense, and more mobility on defense, that would be a game changer.


On defense, he can only go up lol.

I might be crazy but I think he has the potential of becoming a number 1 scorer on a team, I'm just not sure if that team makes the playoffs.

His footwork is so good.

I hope he slays in workouts and someone reaches for him.
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Post#1122 » by BoyzNTheHood » Thu May 11, 2023 8:59 pm

Kobe Brown is a beast

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Post#1123 » by Los_29 » Thu May 11, 2023 9:32 pm

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What about Koloko? I thought that was his main advantage over Kessler.


Koloko is better on the perimeter. Unfortunately, that's the only thing he's better than Kessler at. Shooting as well but that's not saying much considering how bad Kessler is. Excited to see if Koloko can make some improvements in the offseason. I like his potential.


I think it's a major plus for him. But Kessler is far better on offense. I do think if Koloko and Kessler traded teams, Koloko would've looked better than he did here and Kessler would have looked worse than he did in Utah, but there is still a major talent gap on offense.

Koloko seems to have similar impact as a rim protector.

Perimeter defense: Koloko >> Kessler
Offense: Kessler >>> Koloko
Rim protection: Koloko = Kessler
Size/Athleticism: Koloko = Kessler (could make a slight argument in favor of either)
Shooting: I like Koloko's upside here, but I don't know enough about Kessler's shooting to make a comparison

That's how I see it. Koloko is still a pretty raw and he wasn't in a great situation to shine with our poor spacing, lack of lob passes, and lack of pick and roll opportunities, which he would have benefitted from in Utah.

I'd be surprised if Koloko doesn't catch up somewhat in terms of finishing around the rim, and I'd also be surprised if Kessler's perimeter D improves to point where he's not a liability on the perimeter in the playoffs.

For that reason I prefer Koloko's upside. We'll see what happens though.


I agree with a lot of those things but Kessler is a significantly better rim protector than Koloko. Kessler was one of the best in college history at blocking shots. He's truly a monster in that area. I actually think Koloko is the better athlete. He moves his feet a lot better and seems to be more explosive.

Kessler's shot mechanics are quite poor and he's really struggled with his shot. He's been unable to make any improvements in that area. Koloko's free throw percentage has at least improved considerably since his freshman year.

Kessler is a good finisher at the rim but he's actually a really bad offensive player. We know about his shooting woes but he also can't pass the ball. He barely touches the ball offensively. With that said, his ability to finish at the rim makes him more impactful offensively than Koloko.

I think we know what kind of player Kessler is going to be. With Koloko, there seems to be some untapped potential there. He never got serious coaching until he was 17 years old. I'm willing to be patient with him. Despite his limitations, we were somehow much better with him on the floor.
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Re: 2023 Draft Discussion Part 4 

Post#1124 » by dozo » Thu May 11, 2023 9:37 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:Kobe Brown is a beast

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I didn't know he played in the backcourt @ Mizzou. 6'8 with guard skills is interesting.
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Post#1125 » by billy_hoyle » Thu May 11, 2023 9:38 pm

raincityraptors wrote:
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aye man, if hes in shape .. he's my pick lol.

Wow, he looks like a completely different dude. If the weight loss gives him more explosiveness and vertical pop on offense, and more mobility on defense, that would be a game changer.


On defense, he can only go up lol.

I might be crazy but I think he has the potential of becoming a number 1 scorer on a team, I'm just not sure if that team makes the playoffs.

His footwork is so good.

I hope he slays in workouts and someone reaches for him.


What if he's Melo-redux? If he slays in workouts, shouldn't we want to draft him?
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Post#1126 » by BoyzNTheHood » Thu May 11, 2023 9:38 pm

dozo wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:Kobe Brown is a beast

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I didn't know he played in the backcourt @ Mizzou. 6'8 with guard skills is interesting.

Super interesting, and age will ensure that he drops come draft day. If he were 21 or younger he’d be a first rounder.
deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.
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Post#1127 » by BoyzNTheHood » Thu May 11, 2023 9:45 pm

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Post#1128 » by Yallbecrazy » Thu May 11, 2023 9:52 pm

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I'm a little worried on how low his shot release is, but at least it's very quick to make up for that and he was able to get his shot off vs bigger defenders via stepbacks in college. I just wonder about him going up against 6'8 guys who are quicker than he is and how much space he'll need to shoot over them.
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Post#1129 » by Mark_83 » Thu May 11, 2023 9:57 pm

billy_hoyle wrote:
raincityraptors wrote:
Mark_83 wrote:Wow, he looks like a completely different dude. If the weight loss gives him more explosiveness and vertical pop on offense, and more mobility on defense, that would be a game changer.


On defense, he can only go up lol.

I might be crazy but I think he has the potential of becoming a number 1 scorer on a team, I'm just not sure if that team makes the playoffs.

His footwork is so good.

I hope he slays in workouts and someone reaches for him.


What if he's Melo-redux? If he slays in workouts, shouldn't we want to draft him?

I'm ok drafting him, but he's not Melo. Melo has shown he could defend (guarding Kobe in the playoffs), he just didn't care or want to play defense. With Sensabaugh I'm not sure if it's a case of want or can't.
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Post#1130 » by BoyzNTheHood » Thu May 11, 2023 10:00 pm

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On defense, he can only go up lol.

I might be crazy but I think he has the potential of becoming a number 1 scorer on a team, I'm just not sure if that team makes the playoffs.

His footwork is so good.

I hope he slays in workouts and someone reaches for him.


What if he's Melo-redux? If he slays in workouts, shouldn't we want to draft him?

I'm ok drafting him, but he's not Melo. Melo has shown he could defend (guarding Kobe in the playoffs), he just didn't care or want to play defense. With Sensabaugh I'm not sure if it's a case of want or can't.

Melo was also one of the greatest scorers in history. He went head to head with LeBron James for the ROY. He led a team to the NCAA title as a freshman. Brice is a nice scorer, but there are levels to this.
deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.
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Post#1131 » by Yallbecrazy » Thu May 11, 2023 10:04 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
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What if he's Melo-redux? If he slays in workouts, shouldn't we want to draft him?

I'm ok drafting him, but he's not Melo. Melo has shown he could defend (guarding Kobe in the playoffs), he just didn't care or want to play defense. With Sensabaugh I'm not sure if it's a case of want or can't.

Melo was also one of the greatest scorers in history. He went head to head with LeBron James for the ROY. He led a team to the NCAA title as a freshman. Brice is a nice scorer, but there are levels to this.


Go look at Melo's college stats, they're really good, but not great. His team was also really stacked.
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2023 Draft Discussion Part 4 

Post#1132 » by BoyzNTheHood » Thu May 11, 2023 10:17 pm

Yallbecrazy wrote:
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Mark_83 wrote:I'm ok drafting him, but he's not Melo. Melo has shown he could defend (guarding Kobe in the playoffs), he just didn't care or want to play defense. With Sensabaugh I'm not sure if it's a case of want or can't.

Melo was also one of the greatest scorers in history. He went head to head with LeBron James for the ROY. He led a team to the NCAA title as a freshman. Brice is a nice scorer, but there are levels to this.


Go look at Melo's college stats, they're really good, but not great. His team was also really stacked.

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They had more than Ohio State but that team wasn’t stacked. Outside of Melo, Warrick, and McNamara there wasn’t much.
deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.
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Post#1133 » by Mark_83 » Thu May 11, 2023 10:22 pm

I think the closest comp for Sensabaugh is Demar with a three-point shot but less athleticism. The footwork and midrange fade are very Demar-like. For those that say Demar was a good playmaker, he wasn't a playmaker in college or in his first three years. He developed that over time. He didn't pass the 2 assist plateau until his 4th year in the NBA.
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Post#1134 » by HumbleRen » Thu May 11, 2023 10:23 pm

My comp for Sensabaugh is Joe Johnson.
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Post#1135 » by BoyzNTheHood » Thu May 11, 2023 10:26 pm

HumbleRen wrote:My comp for Sensabaugh is Joe Johnson.

Joe Johnson averaged more assists as a rookie in the NBA than Brice Sensabaugh did as a freshman in college.
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Post#1136 » by HumbleRen » Thu May 11, 2023 10:31 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:My comp for Sensabaugh is Joe Johnson.

Joe Johnson averaged more assists as a rookie in the NBA than Brice Sensabaugh did as a freshman in college.


I'm not too worried about his passing.
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Post#1137 » by BoyzNTheHood » Thu May 11, 2023 10:32 pm

HumbleRen wrote:
BoyzNTheHood wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:My comp for Sensabaugh is Joe Johnson.

Joe Johnson averaged more assists as a rookie in the NBA than Brice Sensabaugh did as a freshman in college.


I'm not too worried about his passing.

I know we’d be picking Brice to score, but we also have to remember that Joe Johnson had one of the tightest handles in the league. I’m not sure Brice can say that.
deeps6x wrote:I guarantee you that (Jaylen) Brown and (Kris) Dunn are drafted OUT of the top 5.
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Post#1138 » by Mark_83 » Thu May 11, 2023 10:34 pm

BoyzNTheHood wrote:
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BoyzNTheHood wrote:Joe Johnson averaged more assists as a rookie in the NBA than Brice Sensabaugh did as a freshman in college.


I'm not too worried about his passing.

I know we’d be picking Brice to score, but we also have to remember that Joe Johnson had one of the tightest handles in the league. I’m not sure Brice can say that.

Referring back to Demar, he had almost no handle coming out of college. Sensabaugh has a much better handle as a Freshman. It's about average for his position right now.
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Post#1139 » by BoyzNTheHood » Thu May 11, 2023 10:35 pm

Mark_83 wrote:
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I'm not too worried about his passing.

I know we’d be picking Brice to score, but we also have to remember that Joe Johnson had one of the tightest handles in the league. I’m not sure Brice can say that.

Referring back to Demar, he had almost no handle coming out of college. Sensabaugh has a much better handle as a Freshman. It's about average for his position right now.

Demar is the comparison I’d go with as well, although Brice is much further along than Demar was at the same age.
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Post#1140 » by BoyzNTheHood » Thu May 11, 2023 10:38 pm

Imagine this dude playing against you and seemingly getting every loose ball because he’s “lucky”

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