2023 Draft Discussion Part 4

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Sorry, I think you are misunderstanding me. I don't think he and Melo are comparable prospects. Melo was a top 10 scoring prospect from the past 20 years. Not only that, he actually became an all NBA level player based on his scoring ability.

I'm merely noting that there is a chance that the best scoring prospect ends up the best scorer in a draft class (I said Melo because their games and archetypes are roughly similar - I can't think of another 'chunky' power wing that was the best scorer in their class).

Ya, Melo is 6'8 and Brice is 6'6, when you're not an above the rim player at SF/PF, that matters. It's like Pascal unable to dunk on people like Giannis because Giannis is 2 inches taller.

I could see Brice being a 6'6 TJ Warren, who was drafted 14th overall in 2014. Never put up over 2 assists per game and A/T around 1.

I think TJ is a legitimate comp. I wouldn't be surprised if that level was Brices outcome. Based on the eye test and metrics I think his ceiling is higher though.

Even if he's slightly more athletic now that he's trimmed down, that extra hops at 6'6 may get him to be similar to TJ at 6'8. TJ put up 25ppg his sophomore season before leaving NC State playing in the ACC.

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[ATLTimekeeper]

Guy can barely get off the ground; has a nice shot and I’m sure he has good ball iq, but his lack of athleticism scares me.

Podziemski, 7 dunks.

Brice reminds me of a slightly less athletic version of Zion Williamson..just his body shape and ability to score

Sensabaugh, 9 dunks.

One guy can barely get off the ground in a scary way and the other is just a touch below Zion .

[HumbleRen]

Zion comp is even more absurd than the Demar one lol.

What’s going on in here.

[ATLTimekeeper]

If you disagree that he has superstar potential that’s fine, but I can disagree with you as well. It’s why the draft is a crapshoot. You can’t come in here thinking your opinions are facts. Even the most solid prospect could be a bust. We’re all just guessing at the end of the day. But I like what I see in the potential department for GG, and you don’t. It’s actually okay if we have differing opinions.

Nah, you don't get to have it both ways.

GG CLEARLY has superstar potential. Whether he reaches it seems less likely by the day, but it doesn’t mean that his potential isn’t massive. Any fool can see it. He’s basically a 6’9” player with guard skills.

I wanted to know if there was more than 6"9 with guard skills behind your claim. I think it's interesting what we think is 'superstar potential' and what isn't, given that superstars in the league come in all shapes and sizes and levels of athleticism.

That's why I like to see if there's any connective numbers, instead of just using hyperbole and 'crapshoot' language.

Like, currently the top 15 players in the NBA that came from the NCAA (what we could loosely call, 'superstars' of their team and in the league) and their NCAA BPM. In parenthesis I'll add their RSCI ranking:

Tatum 7.9 (3)
Embiid 11.9 (16)
Durant (2)
Steph 15.3
Harden 9.8 (17)
SGA 9 (30)
Lillard 9.8
Morant 10.0
Mitchell 11.1 (27)
Zion 20.1 (4)
Kawhi 9.2 (48)
Anthony Davis 17.2 (1)
Jimmy Butler 9.4
Sabonis 8.2 (92)
Haliburton 11.2 (197)

GG Jackson, -0.1. I see a guy that might catch on as a stretch big.

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[bboyskinnylegs]

5 lotto teams have requested workouts with GG

[Rapsfan07]

Wow, he looks like a completely different dude. If the weight loss gives him more explosiveness and vertical pop on offense, and more mobility on defense, that would be a game changer.

On defense, he can only go up lol.

I might be crazy but I think he has the potential of becoming a number 1 scorer on a team, I'm just not sure if that team makes the playoffs.

His footwork is so good.

I hope he slays in workouts and someone reaches for him.

What if he's Melo-redux? If he slays in workouts, shouldn't we want to draft him?

He looks great. Looks like he lost quite a bit of weight, which was a concern of mine regarding him. If he is a legit wing player, even without good defense, I think he still might be worth a lottery pick.

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[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

Dude we get it. Productive college players have a higher chance of panning out. It's not rocket science. It also doesn't mean there haven't been or won't be outliers and I can guarantee you every single team in the league still scouts players who performed like **** in college and are willing to take risks at certain points in the draft on them and some will pan out. Panning out in the NBA also depends on a team willing to give you that chance and develop you.

As much as I dislike Jackson the lunacy is taking him in the lottery, if someone wanted to take him much later on in the draft it's justified.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

5 lotto teams have requested workouts with GG

Some teams are going to want to see him up close and interview him. Some will also likely already have him as a DND. He'll get his chance somewhere.

[OakleyDokely]

Dude we get it. Productive college players have a higher chance of panning out. It's not rocket science. It also doesn't mean there haven't been or won't be outliers and I can guarantee you every single team in the league still scouts players who performed like **** in college and are willing to take risks at certain points in the draft on them and some will pan out. Panning out in the NBA also depends on a team willing to give you that chance and develop you.

As much as I dislike Jackson the lunacy is taking him in the lottery, if someone wanted to take him much later on in the draft it's justified.

Most of the discussion is centered around our pick at 13 and taking him at 13 wouldn't be wise based on history.

I don't think anyone is saying he shouldn't be drafted.

[BoyzNTheHood]

If you disagree that he has superstar potential that’s fine, but I can disagree with you as well. It’s why the draft is a crapshoot. You can’t come in here thinking your opinions are facts. Even the most solid prospect could be a bust. We’re all just guessing at the end of the day. But I like what I see in the potential department for GG, and you don’t. It’s actually okay if we have differing opinions.

Nah, you don't get to have it both ways.

GG CLEARLY has superstar potential. Whether he reaches it seems less likely by the day, but it doesn’t mean that his potential isn’t massive. Any fool can see it. He’s basically a 6’9” player with guard skills.

I wanted to know if there was more than 6"9 with guard skills behind your claim. I think it's interesting what we think is 'superstar potential' and what isn't, given that superstars in the league come in all shapes and sizes and levels of athleticism.

That's why I like to see if there's any connective numbers, instead of just using hyperbole and 'crapshoot' language.

Like, currently the top 15 players in the NBA that came from the NCAA (what we could loosely call, 'superstars' of their team and in the league) and their NCAA BPM. In parenthesis I'll add their RSCI ranking:

Tatum 7.9 (3)
Embiid 11.9 (16)
Durant (2)
Steph 15.3
Harden 9.8 (17)
SGA 9 (30)
Lillard 9.8
Morant 10.0
Mitchell 11.1 (27)
Zion 20.1 (4)
Kawhi 9.2 (48)
Anthony Davis 17.2 (1)
Jimmy Butler 9.4
Sabonis 8.2 (92)
Haliburton 11.2 (197)

GG Jackson, -0.1. I see a guy that might catch on as a stretch big.

I can have it any way I want it and you don’t get a say. It’s obvious to scouts and NBA teams that there’s something with him to make them take a look in the lottery, and you know what it’s called? Potential. It’s okay that you’re wrong. No one will hold it against you.

[BoyzNTheHood]

Dude we get it. Productive college players have a higher chance of panning out. It's not rocket science. It also doesn't mean there haven't been or won't be outliers and I can guarantee you every single team in the league still scouts players who performed like **** in college and are willing to take risks at certain points in the draft on them and some will pan out. Panning out in the NBA also depends on a team willing to give you that chance and develop you.

As much as I dislike Jackson the lunacy is taking him in the lottery, if someone wanted to take him much later on in the draft it's justified.

Most of the discussion is centered around our pick at 13 and taking him at 13 wouldn't be wise based on history.

I don't think anyone is saying he shouldn't be drafted.

It’s under the slight chance that Masai does actually see something in him. No one is suggesting that he’s the pick at 13 no matter what. Like everything else in here it’s all about hypotheticals. And it’s all about the fact that he has massive potential, whether or not he pans out remains to be seen, but no one knows for sure.

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The all DND prospect team?

PG Nick Smith Jr
SG Amen Thompson
SF Emoni Bates
PF GG Jackson
C Zach Edey

It looks like they'd actually be good with Edey anchoring and being super efficient.

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

The all DND prospect team?

PG Nick Smith Jr
SG Amen Thompson
SF Emoni Bates
PF GG Jackson
C Zach Edey

It looks like they'd actually be good with Edey anchoring and being super efficient.

[OakleyDokely]

The all DND prospect team?

PG Nick Smith Jr
SG Amen Thompson
SF Emoni Bates
PF GG Jackson
C Zach Edey

It looks like they'd actually be good with Edey anchoring and being super efficient.

You can probably add K George and his 37 FG% in there as well.

That lineup would be like what a team with 4 Dillon Brooks on it would look like offensively.

[BoyzNTheHood]

The all DND prospect team?

PG Nick Smith Jr
SG Amen Thompson
SF Emoni Bates
PF GG Jackson
C Zach Edey

It looks like they'd actually be good with Edey anchoring and being super efficient.

This is like when the Knicks had Marbury, Crawford, Eddy Curry and those guys

[REJECTEDBYCLARK]

I dont think Keyonte is a DND, I just don't think he will be able to get his overall efficiency across the board to a desirable level. BCS is Bradley Beal, a player I have zero respect for.

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The all DND prospect team?

PG Nick Smith Jr
SG Amen Thompson
SF Emoni Bates
PF GG Jackson
C Zach Edey

It looks like they'd actually be good with Edey anchoring and being super efficient.

You can probably add K George and his 37 FG% in there as well.

That lineup would be like what a team with 4 Dillon Brooks on it would look like offensively.

That's who I forgot!!!

[Yallbecrazy]

The all DND prospect team?

PG Nick Smith Jr
SG Amen Thompson
SF Emoni Bates
PF GG Jackson
C Zach Edey

It looks like they'd actually be good with Edey anchoring and being super efficient.

You can probably add K George and his 37 FG% in there as well.

That lineup would be like what a team with 4 Dillon Brooks on it would look like offensively.

That's who I forgot!!!

JHS and Maxwell Lewis.

I think Edey is a solid early to mid 2nd rounder. He also doesn't fit in that group being the best player in college basketball by a decent margin.

Also, Amen Thompson is absolutely worth a 1st round pick as a gamble, I just happen to think it's in the 20-30 range.