2023 Draft Discussion Part 4

[Kevin Willis]

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[billy_hoyle]

The all DND prospect team?

PG Nick Smith Jr
SG Amen Thompson
SF Emoni Bates
PF GG Jackson
C Zach Edey

It looks like they'd actually be good with Edey anchoring and being super efficient.

You can probably add K George and his 37 FG% in there as well.

That lineup would be like what a team with 4 Dillon Brooks on it would look like offensively.

TBH, I'd be surprised if none of those players ended up a good player worthy of the 13th pick

[ItsDanger]

5 lotto teams have requested workouts with GG

Of course. People have to remember he declared early. His shooting %'s aren't much different than Jaden Ivey's freshmen year.

[Dalek]

The all DND prospect team?

PG Nick Smith Jr
SG Amen Thompson
SF Emoni Bates
PF GG Jackson
C Zach Edey

It looks like they'd actually be good with Edey anchoring and being super efficient.

You can probably add K George and his 37 FG% in there as well.

That lineup would be like what a team with 4 Dillon Brooks on it would look like offensively.

TBH, I'd be surprised if none of those players ended up a good player worthy of the 13th pick

Do not draft Amen Thompson!?! Is this a parody account posting? Maybe I am missing the joke here.

I'd probably slot in Dariq Whitehead given his surgery. I don't like how he looked this year and who knows if he ever regains his athleticism.

[ATLTimekeeper]

I can have it any way I want it and you don’t get a say. It’s obvious to scouts and NBA teams that there’s something with him to make them take a look in the lottery, and you know what it’s called? Potential. It’s okay that you’re wrong. No one will hold it against you.

What was I wrong about? NBA teams and scouts make huge mistakes all the time.

[Dalek]

You can probably add K George and his 37 FG% in there as well.

That lineup would be like what a team with 4 Dillon Brooks on it would look like offensively.

That's who I forgot!!!

JHS and Maxwell Lewis.

I think Edey is a solid early to mid 2nd rounder. He also doesn't fit in that group being the best player in college basketball by a decent margin.

Also, Amen Thompson is absolutely worth a 1st round pick as a gamble, I just happen to think it's in the 20-30 range.

You do realize that LaMelo Ball and Josh Giddey all shot poorly prior to coming to the NBA. With Amen Thompson, you are talking about a bigger Ja Morant.

No normal prospect has this level of body control and handle at 6'7:

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Look at the creativity with the ball:

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I'd consider Amen the second pick in the draft or at least 2b to Scoot's 2a. Loads of talented guards improve their shot with NBA training: Lonzo shot 42% from three last season; Lamelo shot 38%; Giddey made a near 10% improvement in this three point shot last season. Amen even without a great jumper is going to kill on ball screens.

[OakleyDokely]

Lamelo and Giddey were playing against men in pro leagues though. The Thompson twins were competing against very poor, very young competition.

[Psubs]

5 lotto teams have requested workouts with GG

Of course. People have to remember he declared early. His shooting %'s aren't much different than Jaden Ivey's freshmen year.

and Ivey was drafted after his sophomore breakout year. GG is still HS freshman aged.

The Thompsons are sophomores still playing against AAU players.

[BoyzNTheHood]

I can have it any way I want it and you don’t get a say. It’s obvious to scouts and NBA teams that there’s something with him to make them take a look in the lottery, and you know what it’s called? Potential. It’s okay that you’re wrong. No one will hold it against you.

What was I wrong about? NBA teams and scouts make huge mistakes all the time.

You’re wrong about so harshly judging a player before he has a chance to prove himself. A lot of us are fans of Kobe Bufkin but would have barfed at the thought of taking him as a young freshman, much like GG.

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I believe in the Ingnite program too.

[DreamTeam09]

The all DND prospect team?

PG Nick Smith Jr
SG Amen Thompson
SF Emoni Bates
PF GG Jackson
C Zach Edey

It looks like they'd actually be good with Edey anchoring and being super efficient.

This is actually a good team. I think those guys will all out perform their draft slots

[WuTang_CMB]

The all DND prospect team?

PG Nick Smith Jr
SG Amen Thompson
SF Emoni Bates
PF GG Jackson
C Zach Edey

It looks like they'd actually be good with Edey anchoring and being super efficient.

You can probably add K George and his 37 FG% in there as well.

That lineup would be like what a team with 4 Dillon Brooks on it would look like offensively.

That's who I forgot!!!

Add Max lewis to this

[ATLTimekeeper]

I can have it any way I want it and you don’t get a say. It’s obvious to scouts and NBA teams that there’s something with him to make them take a look in the lottery, and you know what it’s called? Potential. It’s okay that you’re wrong. No one will hold it against you.

What was I wrong about? NBA teams and scouts make huge mistakes all the time.

You’re wrong about so harshly judging a player before he has a chance to prove himself. A lot of us are fans of Kobe Bufkin but would have barfed at the thought of taking him as a young freshman, much like GG.

That's because Kobe went out and proved something, though. I'm not arguing that development doesn't ever occur You're arguing that level of development (negative BPM to superstar or even just star) could happen in the NBA. I'm telling you it hasn't. Or at least I haven't found a record yet. So, GG would be the first. It's fine to judge harshly based on something that's never been done.

[ItsDanger]

Jaden Hardy fell to 2nd round, in a redraft he goes much higher. His % last year were bad. This season, he showed huge improvement in G league and NBA. However, many prospects pull out of draft if there isn't guaranteed money after freshmen year. It's just makes projection for NBA teams incredibly difficult.

That video of Amen, he uses his right hand way too often. If you're in this development program, should be using both hands to finish.

[Yallbecrazy]

What was I wrong about? NBA teams and scouts make huge mistakes all the time.

You’re wrong about so harshly judging a player before he has a chance to prove himself. A lot of us are fans of Kobe Bufkin but would have barfed at the thought of taking him as a young freshman, much like GG.

That's because Kobe went out and proved something, though. I'm not arguing that development doesn't ever occur You're arguing that level of development (negative BPM to superstar or even just star) could happen in the NBA. I'm telling you it hasn't. Or at least I haven't found a record yet. So, GG would be the first. It's fine to judge harshly based on something that's never been done.

Evaluating prospects is a guessing game, but one can still use data to make educated guesses and determine probability of success. I'm not saying GG Jackson has a 0% chance of success in the NBA, I'm saying it's well under 5% based on what we've seen and there are other prospects where that number is much higher.

[Yallbecrazy]

That's who I forgot!!!

JHS and Maxwell Lewis.

I think Edey is a solid early to mid 2nd rounder. He also doesn't fit in that group being the best player in college basketball by a decent margin.

Also, Amen Thompson is absolutely worth a 1st round pick as a gamble, I just happen to think it's in the 20-30 range.

You do realize that LaMelo Ball and Josh Giddey all shot poorly prior to coming to the NBA. With Amen Thompson, you are talking about a bigger Ja Morant.

No normal prospect has this level of body control and handle at 6'7:

Read on Twitter

Look at the creativity with the ball:

Read on Twitter

I'd consider Amen the second pick in the draft or at least 2b to Scoot's 2a. Loads of talented guards improve their shot with NBA training: Lonzo shot 42% from three last season; Lamelo shot 38%; Giddey made a near 10% improvement in this three point shot last season. Amen even without a great jumper is going to kill on ball screens.

We differ greatly in our approaches to scouting, I strongly disagree with most of the players you've hyped up in this thread.

[BoyzNTheHood]

What was I wrong about? NBA teams and scouts make huge mistakes all the time.

You’re wrong about so harshly judging a player before he has a chance to prove himself. A lot of us are fans of Kobe Bufkin but would have barfed at the thought of taking him as a young freshman, much like GG.

That's because Kobe went out and proved something, though. I'm not arguing that development doesn't ever occur You're arguing that level of development (negative BPM to superstar or even just star) could happen in the NBA. I'm telling you it hasn't. Or at least I haven't found a record yet. So, GG would be the first. It's fine to judge harshly based on something that's never been done.

It’s never been done based on the statistics available to you. That doesn’t mean it’s never actually been done. He’s basically a high school senior going up against college kids. If he sucked in his 2nd year I’d say there was no chance at success for him. As is, there’s a low chance, but that still doesn’t mean there’s 0 chance and that’s all I’m saying.

[Dalek]

Lamelo and Giddey were playing against men in pro leagues though. The Thompson twins were competing against very poor, very young competition.

Regardless of comps the twins athleticism is top-tier. The NBA fixes shots especially with highly talented players.

I think scout/draft guys like Givony and Schmidt have Amen in the top 5 at least so I am going to lean with the consensus and my eye test on this one.

[JShuttlesworth]

Is the combine next week?

I'm really interested to see a lot of these guys measurements, specifically wingspan and barefoot height

[KL78192020]

Lamelo and Giddey were playing against men in pro leagues though. The Thompson twins were competing against very poor, very young competition.

Regardless of comps the twins athleticism is top-tier. The NBA fixes shots especially with highly talented players.

I think scout/draft guys like Givony and Schmidt have Amen in the top 5 at least so I am going to lean with the consensus and my eye test on this one.

They also have the biggest bust potential. Elite athleticism can only carry you so far, guys like Josh Jackson, Stromile Swift, Fultz and Bagley were also consensus top picks.