Official Raptors 2011 NBA Draft Thread, Part 4

[CunningLinguist]

Does Kenneth Faried's performance today do anything for anyone? A possible Reggie Evans replacement? I think with the general concensus saying that this draft is weak will open up opportunities for pick acquisitions at a cheaper rate than usual. Bigs like Faried, Henson, etc will be available mid-first round and are worth taking a flyer on. I mean, look at LA and Boston, they were scary until Boston dealt Perkins but the best teams in the league stack up on quality bigs.

Where would he get minutes with Amir and Ed at PF?

It doesn't matter. You collect talented assets and worry later.

That sounds nice in theory, but you would be giving a 3 year guaranteed contract to guy would never get a chance to prove himself. He would have no ability to increase his value for a future trade either.

[Rude Boy 1]

Harrsion Barnes looks soft to me. Doesn't strike me as a guy you want to lead your team.

Which is interesting considering that I believe it was you that was lauding him as the best prospect since Lebron before the season started.

No you are wrong. Very wrong.

[Silk Wilkes]

Where would he get minutes with Amir and Ed at PF?

It doesn't matter. You collect talented assets and worry later.

That sounds nice in theory, but you would be giving a 3 year guaranteed contract to guy would never get a chance to prove himself. He would have no ability to increase his value for a future trade either.

I see where you're coming from but an opportunity always comes up. Ed and Amir would get the bulk of the minutes but there would still be about 15 minutes to throw around without Bargnani or Evans in the mix. You can never have too many bigs.

[CunningLinguist]

It doesn't matter. You collect talented assets and worry later.[/quote]

That sounds nice in theory, but you would be giving a 3 year guaranteed contract to guy would never get a chance to prove himself. He would have no ability to increase his value for a future trade either.[/quote]

I see where you're coming from but an opportunity always comes up. Ed and Amir would get the bulk of the minutes but there would still be about 15 minutes to throw around without Bargnani or Evans in the mix. You can never have too many bigs.[/quote]

He would have more opportunity if any of he, Ed and Amir could play minutes at C, which I don't think they are suitable for. There's only 48 PF minutes to go around and I'd like to see Ed get the bulk of them for his development.

[Silk Wilkes]

There's also the possibility that Amir could be moved because of his contract. You never know, I love Amir and I appreciate what he does but that contract BC gave him is a little bit of a cap clogger when you're trying to rebuild.

[Rude Boy 1]

That sounds nice in theory, but you would be giving a 3 year guaranteed contract to guy would never get a chance to prove himself. He would have no ability to increase his value for a future trade either.

With a top 5 pick it is ALWAYS best player available. If it comes down to it one of Amir or Davis can be moved for another piece. You don't pass on blue-chip talent because you think you have a need elsewhere, there is more than one way to skin a cat.

[CunningLinguist]

Which is interesting considering that I believe it was you that was lauding him as the best prospect since Lebron before the season started.[/quote]

No you are wrong. Very wrong.[/quote]

My apologies. You had quoted another poster who had said that, although you did agree that Barnes should go #1 at that time (post below).

by Rude Boy 1 on Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:37 pm

Cookieman wrote:
Unless Barnes blows out a knee, you take him number 1 100 times out of 100. It's nice to know Irving is there, because he's a franchise player in waiting imo. But it's Barnes and everyone else. His intangibles are incredible. He's big, strong, skilled, and a great kid. Nice for us also because he is definitely a 3. The best prospect since LeBron. Going to be awesome to watch Duke-UNC this year.

Perry Jones reminds me of Rudy Gay. Size, talent, athleticism, but questions about heart and ability to win. As long as we get one of the top 2 picks (Barnes, Irving), I'm happy. Not interested in Brandon Knight at all. And Josh Selby is intriguing but Keyon Dooling looked like that coming out as well.

Your response:

Harrison Barnes is without a doubt the jewel piece in this up coming draft, he can do so many things well from what I've seen. If we are in position to draft him 1st overall you have to take him no questions asked. I somehow doubt we will get the number overall pick so i'm not getting my hopes up too high, granted even obtaining a top 3 seems far fetched. I don't think we will lose if we obtain a top 5 pick there are tons of talented players out there and if we can get one of them it will go a long way to making this team formidable.

The reason I have my sights set on a pg is strictly because there are a ton of them and almost every NBA team has that position locked down. Kyrie Irving is a natural playmaker who will make guys like Weems DeRozan, Bargnani, Davis and Weems LETHAL he has that kind of skill when it comes to breaking a man down and finding a slasher. You surround a PG like him with Athletes and you have the making of a very exciting team for years to come.

[Rude Boy 1]

Which is interesting considering that I believe it was you that was lauding him as the best prospect since Lebron before the season started.

No you are wrong. Very wrong.[/quote]

My apologies. You had quoted another poster who had said that, although you did agree that Barnes should go #1 at that time (post below).

by Rude Boy 1 on Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:37 pm

Cookieman wrote:
Unless Barnes blows out a knee, you take him number 1 100 times out of 100. It's nice to know Irving is there, because he's a franchise player in waiting imo. But it's Barnes and everyone else. His intangibles are incredible. He's big, strong, skilled, and a great kid. Nice for us also because he is definitely a 3. The best prospect since LeBron. Going to be awesome to watch Duke-UNC this year.

Perry Jones reminds me of Rudy Gay. Size, talent, athleticism, but questions about heart and ability to win. As long as we get one of the top 2 picks (Barnes, Irving), I'm happy. Not interested in Brandon Knight at all. And Josh Selby is intriguing but Keyon Dooling looked like that coming out as well.

Your response:

Harrison Barnes is without a doubt the jewel piece in this up coming draft, he can do so many things well from what I've seen. If we are in position to draft him 1st overall you have to take him no questions asked. I somehow doubt we will get the number overall pick so i'm not getting my hopes up too high, granted even obtaining a top 3 seems far fetched. I don't think we will lose if we obtain a top 5 pick there are tons of talented players out there and if we can get one of them it will go a long way to making this team formidable.

The reason I have my sights set on a pg is strictly because there are a ton of them and almost every NBA team has that position locked down. Kyrie Irving is a natural playmaker who will make guys like Weems DeRozan, Bargnani, Davis and Weems LETHAL he has that kind of skill when it comes to breaking a man down and finding a slasher. You surround a PG like him with Athletes and you have the making of a very exciting team for years to come.[/quote]


Question? where did I say he was the best prospect since Lebron? Oh that's right I didn't the other guy did.

[Yeezus_]

Whats with the horrible quoting in the thread ?

Can't wait to see TT play in a few minutes..along with Irving later today.

[Basketball_Jones]

sorry man, it's too late. you'll forever be labeled as the guy who said "Harrison Barnes is the best prospect since Lebron." Even though you didn't say it, that's how things go around here. Just like when people label Harry as the guy who said Bargnani would always average 11, 4, 4, even though he didn't.

[HomieOmey]

There's also the possibility that Amir could be moved because of his contract. You never know, I love Amir and I appreciate what he does but that contract BC gave him is a little bit of a cap clogger when you're trying to rebuild.

Definitely. We tried to move Jose, but settled on dealing Jack because he was easier to trade and had more value. Now we *might* be looking to deal Bargnani but Amir might just be easier to move and we do have a similar player in Ed Davis. It would suck to see him traded, but I think it is a very real possibility.

[CunningLinguist]

Which is interesting considering that I believe it was you that was lauding him as the best prospect since Lebron before the season started.

No you are wrong. Very wrong.

My apologies. You had quoted another poster who had said that, although you did agree that Barnes should go #1 at that time (post below).

by Rude Boy 1 on Wed Sep 08, 2010 1:37 pm

Cookieman wrote:
Unless Barnes blows out a knee, you take him number 1 100 times out of 100. It's nice to know Irving is there, because he's a franchise player in waiting imo. But it's Barnes and everyone else. His intangibles are incredible. He's big, strong, skilled, and a great kid. Nice for us also because he is definitely a 3. The best prospect since LeBron. Going to be awesome to watch Duke-UNC this year.

Perry Jones reminds me of Rudy Gay. Size, talent, athleticism, but questions about heart and ability to win. As long as we get one of the top 2 picks (Barnes, Irving), I'm happy. Not interested in Brandon Knight at all. And Josh Selby is intriguing but Keyon Dooling looked like that coming out as well.

Your response:

Harrison Barnes is without a doubt the jewel piece in this up coming draft, he can do so many things well from what I've seen. If we are in position to draft him 1st overall you have to take him no questions asked. I somehow doubt we will get the number overall pick so i'm not getting my hopes up too high, granted even obtaining a top 3 seems far fetched. I don't think we will lose if we obtain a top 5 pick there are tons of talented players out there and if we can get one of them it will go a long way to making this team formidable.

The reason I have my sights set on a pg is strictly because there are a ton of them and almost every NBA team has that position locked down. Kyrie Irving is a natural playmaker who will make guys like Weems DeRozan, Bargnani, Davis and Weems LETHAL he has that kind of skill when it comes to breaking a man down and finding a slasher. You surround a PG like him with Athletes and you have the making of a very exciting team for years to come.[/quote]


Question? where did I say he was the best prospect since Lebron? Oh that's right I didn't the other guy did.[/quote]

Hence the "my apology" in the first line of my post. The also doesn't change the fact that your tune on Barnes has changed signifcantly since that post.

[Rude Boy 1]

Hence the "my apology" in the first line of my post. The also doesn't change the fact that your tune on Barnes has changed signifcantly since that post.

The way you unquote sections makes it extremely hard to read. My apology accepted.

Again I don't cling to my opinions especially when its been proven wrong! I have no ego when it comes to finding the right players for our team. Simple.

I also said Kyrie Irving is the guy I wanted the most and that hasn't changed BTW.

[Indeed]

There's also the possibility that Amir could be moved because of his contract. You never know, I love Amir and I appreciate what he does but that contract BC gave him is a little bit of a cap clogger when you're trying to rebuild.

Definitely. We tried to move Jose, but settled on dealing Jack because he was easier to trade and had more value. Now we *might* be looking to deal Bargnani but Amir might just be easier to move and we do have a similar player in Ed Davis. It would suck to see him traded, but I think it is a very real possibility.

I think Ed would be the easiest to move, and get the highest return.

[Rhettmatic]

I think Ed would be the easiest to move, and get the highest return.

That's because he's actually a good prospect. As such, we might want to, y'know, keep him.

[Silk Wilkes]

I think Ed would be the easiest to move, and get the highest return.

That's because he's actually a good prospect. As such, we might want to, y'know, keep him.

Agreed, lol. As much as I like Amir he's a piece that could get us something back and even Bargnani. I'd definitely hold onto Ed though.

[HomieOmey]

He would, but I would think BC would value financial freedom and a pick from a team like Indiana for Amir (while keeping Ed and his potential) over getting a potential top 5-10 pick for Ed Davis and still having little financial wiggle room. Might allow BC to get another starter via free agency.

[Leolovinliberal]

I think Ed would be the easiest to move, and get the highest return.

That's because he's actually a good prospect. As such, we might want to, y'know, keep him.

You literally made me lol, thanks.

[Leolovinliberal]

He would, but I would think BC would value financial freedom and a pick from a team like Indiana for Amir (while keeping Ed and his potential) over getting a potential top 5-10 pick for Ed Davis and still having little financial wiggle room. Might allow BC to get another starter via free agency.

I don't think the Pacers would be interested in Amir; Psycho T has been playing great lately, he's a potential 20/10 guy. Plus McBob is a good backup.

[Indeed]

I think Ed would be the easiest to move, and get the highest return.

That's because he's actually a good prospect. As such, we might want to, y'know, keep him.

I don't see Davis and DeRozan are good fit.
Davis (JO) would be a good fit with Barnes (Artest, shooter + defense) and Bargnani (Miller sort of, shooter).