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Derrick Martin 18 to 1
Claderon 6.11 to 1
Nash 3.4 to 1
quite obvious that Martin has the best court vision of all PGs
Oh please...........the first two don't even qualify.
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deknow wrote:seriously how old are you and how long have you been watching the game? I need to know this before I rip into you again.
I would like to know how long you have been watching basketball as well...
Obviously there is a chance that you can just say whatever you want, but let's just see what you can come up with.
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HereI_Like_Dirt wrote:The whole comparison to Kevin McHale is ridiculously close, imo... And that's without more hilarious aspects of the comparison, e.g. if Wally Sczerbiak were 7 feet tall with the slower reflexes that came with the additional height, he'd be Bargnani.
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b0na f1de wrote:-= original quote snipped =-
So do you believe bargs/bosh/hump are equally as intimidating to other teams as sheed/dice/max?
Seriously which group of bigs are teams more scared to play against?
I believe that Sheed and Dice are 12 year veterans. I believe that myself as a 36 year old is way tougher, more confident and more intimidating when I want to be, then I was when I was 22. Confidence and mental toughness are a natural byproduct of aging (as well as grunting when you get up off the couch and complaining about young wipper-snappers that spend all of their time on the internet)
What I said was that the comparisions of what they can be based on athletic ability are legitimate. Wallace is a career 6.9 rb guy and was traded from Washington in his first year in part because they thought he lacked defensive intensity and was a headcase.
My point is that the non-traditional 12rb 7footer and brusing PF is possible on a legitimate championship contender. Niether Wallace or Mcdyess would be considered natural C's. My point is that defense and toughness is the slowest but most dependable growth in NBA players, which is why veteran teams win. My final point is that in the long process of building a championship contender the block we do not have to worry about is the Bigs block. We do not have anything close to a legitimat champion SG and SF. If we got those Bragnani, Hump and Bosh will look fine.
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No Grizzled...They are right. Assist numbers can be deceiving, and is not the be all end all to show that someone has court vision.
On the other hand, I agree with you that these other people are clearly underrating Jose's court vision.
No one said it was the be all and end all, but anyone who can
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This pisses me off to no avail.
Steve plays semi-pro soccer, has the leagues' best handle and has been quoted as growing up playing every kind of sport, but is "intelligent" and not athletic.
Calderon is built like a defensive back, with huge legs, but he beats people with his head instead of his physical gifts.
Here's the question, if these guys are so smart, why aren't they smart enough to learn how to play defensive angles or go over top of a screen?
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Grizzled wrote:
No one said it was the be all and end all, but anyone who canI_Like_Dirt wrote:The whole comparison to Kevin McHale is ridiculously close, imo... And that's without more hilarious aspects of the comparison, e.g. if Wally Sczerbiak were 7 feet tall with the slower reflexes that came with the additional height, he'd be Bargnani.
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If you didin't mean it as the be all end all, then I agree with you. Assists is just one determining factor of court vision. Just like assists is just one determining factor of a good passer.
For example. A pg makes 2 great passes to 2 different players on 2 separate plays. On one play, the receiver makes the basket and the pg is credited with an assist, while on the other play, the receiver misses the shot and the pg is not credited with an assists..............doesn't show up on the boxscore. The point is, both passes made by the pg were great passes, but he will only get credited with 1 total assist.
Stats aren't everything.
Clearly that is true. You can even look at Nash as anther example. He tries a lot of high risk passes and has a higher A/TO ratio than Calderon, for example, (but note that he still has a very high A/TO ratio), but Nash
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Cassius wrote:This is where the TJ similarity comes from. Both TJ and Nash do their damage in the teeth of the opposing teams' D.
The difference is that Nash uses his brains to do it, while TJ uses and relies on his speed and quickness to do it. The way TJ does it is more prone to mistakes.
Even TJ has acknowledged that he needed to improve his decision making when he gets to the spots and heart of the defense. For example, once you get into the middle of the lane.........now what do you do? It's decision time and you need to use your brain to make the decision.
Get this.......the word "wild" has been associated with TJ Ford before. Have you ever heard the word "wild" associated with Nash?
I will give Ford credit though. He has improved his decision making this season by a bit, prior to his injury, but still nowhere near where it should be.