General NBA Discussion Thread

[OakleyDokely]

Boston is for real man. And how many first round picks do they have the next 3 years!?!?!?!?

They have in 2016: Brooklyn's pick, unprotected. The Dallas pick, top 7 protected. Minnesota's pick, top 12 protected (otherwise it turns into 2 second rounders). Also Philly's second round pick (should be #31).

2017: Pick swap with Brooklyn, unprotected.

2018: Brooklyn's pick again, unprotected again.

They also own a future Memphis first rounder which comes two years after Memphis sends a first rounder to Denver.

As of now, they will have 8 picks in the coming draft, 4 in each round, or 3 firsts and 5 seconds depending on where Minnesota lands.

Brooklyn got Billy King'd

[The_Hater]

Boston is for real man. And how many first round picks do they have the next 3 years!?!?!?!?

They have in 2016: Brooklyn's pick, unprotected. The Dallas pick, top 7 protected. Minnesota's pick, top 12 protected (otherwise it turns into 2 second rounders). Also Philly's second round pick (should be #31).

2017: Pick swap with Brooklyn, unprotected.

2018: Brooklyn's pick again, unprotected again.

They also own a future Memphis first rounder which comes two years after Memphis sends a first rounder to Denver.

As of now, they will have 8 picks in the coming draft, 4 in each round, or 3 firsts and 5 seconds depending on where Minnesota lands.

Brooklyn got Billy King'd

The absolute most amazing thing of all this is Brooklyn still employs King as their GM.

[OakleyDokely]

They have in 2016: Brooklyn's pick, unprotected. The Dallas pick, top 7 protected. Minnesota's pick, top 12 protected (otherwise it turns into 2 second rounders). Also Philly's second round pick (should be #31).

2017: Pick swap with Brooklyn, unprotected.

2018: Brooklyn's pick again, unprotected again.

They also own a future Memphis first rounder which comes two years after Memphis sends a first rounder to Denver.

As of now, they will have 8 picks in the coming draft, 4 in each round, or 3 firsts and 5 seconds depending on where Minnesota lands.

Brooklyn got Billy King'd

The absolute most amazing thing of all this is Brooklyn still employs King as their GM.

They are going to stink, with no draft pick (or no high draft pick) for the next 3 years. And they did it for out of prime players with a small window.

It could be 5-6 years before they are competitive again, unless they hit big in free agency.

He has to be the worst GM in the league.

[mappiah19]

Brooklyn got Billy King'd

The absolute most amazing thing of all this is Brooklyn still employs King as their GM.

They are going to stink, with no draft pick (or no high draft pick) for the next 3 years. And they did it for out of prime players with a small window.

It could be 5-6 years before they are competitive again, unless they hit big in free agency.

He has to be the worst GM in the league.

Kahn vs Billy King, who would you rather be a GM if you owned a team?

[OakleyDokely]

The absolute most amazing thing of all this is Brooklyn still employs King as their GM.

They are going to stink, with no draft pick (or no high draft pick) for the next 3 years. And they did it for out of prime players with a small window.

It could be 5-6 years before they are competitive again, unless they hit big in free agency.

He has to be the worst GM in the league.

Kahn vs Billy King, who would you rather be a GM if you owned a team?

Kahn probably. But it's like choosing between needle to the eye or needle to the balls.

[Kabookalu]

The hilarious part of the Brooklyn-Boston trade is that Brooklyn did it to win now. 2 years later they're one of the worst teams in the league, have no prospects, no assets, and Boston is the far better team with way more assets and a chunk full of prospects.

[Slo]

This has to be THE worst trade of all time. By ALOT. I mean even the VC to the Nets trade looks OK compared to this. Brooklyn will send 3 lottery picks.. 3!!!

[zilby]

I'm 100% certain that in nine or ten years, the BKN-BOS trade will be heralded as one of the worst of all time. Boston has been hitting on their draft picks for quite some time now, and they probably will do decently with several top 3 picks in the coming years. Not only did they ship several unprotected firsts, they did it for a year (year and a half in KG's case) of two very aged stars that were very obviously on a sharp decline. Finish 6th seed and advance to the second round against a very inexperienced Raptors team (we as a franchise have been beaten in 7 of 8 playoff rounds). Pierce leaves in FA, and wouldn't you know it, by the trade deadline the next year, KG is shipped out to Minny, and they're a first round exit.

Now they have no prospects (other than Rondae who is out with a fracture), no picks, and they're not winning basketball games. Not to mention the picks BK shipped out to Atlanta for Joe Johnson. Oh, and the picks BK shipped out for Deron Williams, the guy they paid to get lost.

It's a wonder he still has a job. I wonder if I could apply for his position and get it.

[The_Hater]

The absolute most amazing thing of all this is Brooklyn still employs King as their GM.

They are going to stink, with no draft pick (or no high draft pick) for the next 3 years. And they did it for out of prime players with a small window.

It could be 5-6 years before they are competitive again, unless they hit big in free agency.

He has to be the worst GM in the league.

Kahn vs Billy King, who would you rather be a GM if you owned a team?

Kahn didn't mortgage the entire future of his franchise like King did, he just made bad decisions in the present so at least whoever took over for him had a chance. Nobody could fix Brooklyn in the foreseeable future.

Might as well throw Babcock into the Kahn category. The Vince trade. Hoffa. Passing on Granger twice at the draft for leaser players. He was epically awful too he just didn't get to stick around as long as Kahn did.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

They are going to stink, with no draft pick (or no high draft pick) for the next 3 years. And they did it for out of prime players with a small window.

It could be 5-6 years before they are competitive again, unless they hit big in free agency.

He has to be the worst GM in the league.

Kahn vs Billy King, who would you rather be a GM if you owned a team?

Kahn didn't mortgage the entire future of his franchise like King did, he just made bad decisions in the present so at least whoever took over for him had a chance. Nobody could fix Brooklyn in the foreseeable future.

Might as well throw Babcock into the Kahn category. The Vince trade. Hoffa. Passing on Granger twice at the draft for leaser players. He was epically awful too he just didn't get to stick around as long as Kahn did.

The vince trade and the hoffa draft set us back for years.
If we didn't have Bosh, we wouldn't have had any star players for a considerable amount of time.

[knickerbocker2k2]

Watching Clippers/Pistons, and I have seen something for the first time I expect to become trend and even dangerous.

Clippers down 4 and shoot 2 FTs with 25 secs left. Crawford hits both FTs, but on the 2nd one JJ Reddick climbs on the back of Drummond as he attempts to rebound in case FT is missed. They call loose ball foul and Drummond is shooting FTs. He misses one and clippers tie with 3 sending game to overtime.

This is so dangerous and needs to be changed ASAP. Even if Drummond is not in the game, what is to stop teams from fouling the rebounding big as they are always the worst FT shooters?

[Rapcity_11]

I'm 100% certain that in nine or ten years, the BKN-BOS trade will be heralded as one of the worst of all time. Boston has been hitting on their draft picks for quite some time now, and they probably will do decently with several top 3 picks in the coming years. Not only did they ship several unprotected firsts, they did it for a year (year and a half in KG's case) of two very aged stars that were very obviously on a sharp decline. Finish 6th seed and advance to the second round against a very inexperienced Raptors team (we as a franchise have been beaten in 7 of 8 playoff rounds). Pierce leaves in FA, and wouldn't you know it, by the trade deadline the next year, KG is shipped out to Minny, and they're a first round exit.

Now they have no prospects (other than Rondae who is out with a fracture), no picks, and they're not winning basketball games. Not to mention the picks BK shipped out to Atlanta for Joe Johnson. Oh, and the picks BK shipped out for Deron Williams, the guy they paid to get lost.

It's a wonder he still has a job. I wonder if I could apply for his position and get it.

I like to hate on Knight as much as the next guy, but he was given the mandate to win now. And everyone around the league knew it. I also thought the Nets were legit title contenders though, so what the **** do I know?

[vini_vidi_vici]

Ppl blame King, but it was definitely Prokhorov that did them this disservice trying to go ultra win now.

What I came to talk about is, after posting Amirs Rim Protection, heres another good story on the Celts D changes, and Amir specifically. Love that guy.

While new additions have improved the Celtics’ defense overall, their increased frequency and proficiency double-teaming effectively has been impressive.

Jae Crowder and Amir Johnson are driving this effort, leading the team in Double-Teams per 100 Chances in addition to holding opponents’ scoring in check.

The Celtics’ increased defensive aggressiveness has resulted in a top 10 defense, allowing 0.95 Points Against per Shot and a league-leading 14.0 TOs Forced per 100 Chances.

We discussed it (double teams) in the offseason in relation to the Raps, so ill have to ask my guy who has access to Vantage stats, the numbers in relation to the Raps and if its made a marginal difference or not.

[OakleyDokely]

I don't doubt the owner was heavily involved, but this is where a smart GM steps in and says, if we're going to trade away the future, lets go after guys a little younger so the window is 4-5 years instead of 1-2 years.

[zilby]

Prokhorov can demand to win now all he wants, it doesn't change the fact that BK went after the wrong players in order to win now and he traded a horde of unprotected draft picks away to do so.

[Hero]

Steph on another level

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[Rapcity_11]

Prokhorov can demand to win now all he wants, it doesn't change the fact that BK went after the wrong players in order to win now and he traded a horde of unprotected draft picks away to do so.

It goes both ways. If BK got younger, better players in return for the package, said package would have been much less attractive considering the picks wouldn't be as valuable. It's also really hard to negotiate when everyone knows you have a win-now at all costs mandate.

Maybe you knew it at the time, but I find there's a lot of hindsight being applied to the analysis of those trades.

[Potential]

My sources indicate that the Grizzlies coach will be fired tomorrow

[raptor jesus]

Vasquez just underwent ankle surgery. Unfortunate for GV, but that trade was robbery.

[Yeezus_]

What picks did the Celtics exactly hit on? The only valuable pick they have is the 2016 unprotected Nets pick and perhaps the 2018 one as well.

Nets have a lot of cap space and will spend money on average players. I can see them being a low end playoff team next year.