OT: Giannis / Bucks Trade Coming?

[JB7]

Why are you comparing Giannis who is a top 3 player in the world to those guys?

Giannis good but he ain't top 3. Top 10...sure.

Point stands...Kyrie got traded for less. Harden didn't get you another huge star. These are the kinds of return you get. We aren't trading star for star. And yes Luka for AD and Max Christie doesn't happen with a competent GM in Dallas...it just doesn't happen.

I'm sorry to say this, but Giannis is going to fetch a package closer to what OKC got for PG than what teams got for a very old KD, and no where near as good players like Kyrie, Fox, Kat, etc. The only way they would trade Giannis to us, is if we include Scottie + Unprotected picks, so I think we are pretty much out of the running. Giannis has also extended recently with the Bucks, so the leverage is much stronger in this instance with the Bucks.

I don't see any team giving up that OKC haul for PG. And keep in mind, LAC were getting Kawhi signed for 4 years, plus PG for like 3-4 years signed. Was still a horrible deal. But Giannis is a FA after next season. He is also a top 4 player. He will be dictating where he goes.

Also, salaries need to be matched, so players with large salaries are going to end up in Milwaukee.

[MiamiSPX]

There is also an assumption that the Bucks will attach Kuzma (as they should, dude is beyond awful). Apparently that was the offer they made the Knicks in the summer. That's A LOT of salary that needs to be matched.

Another interesting tidbit is neither Mikal Bridges nor De'Aaron Fox can be traded until February 1st. This won't drag on that long, so that means neither one will be included in any deal. From NY's end, it will have to be OG from that duo, and SA can say that Castle and Harper are untouchable, but one of them will have to go.

[dTox]

Giannis good but he ain't top 3. Top 10...sure.

Point stands...Kyrie got traded for less. Harden didn't get you another huge star. These are the kinds of return you get. We aren't trading star for star. And yes Luka for AD and Max Christie doesn't happen with a competent GM in Dallas...it just doesn't happen.

I'm sorry to say this, but Giannis is going to fetch a package closer to what OKC got for PG than what teams got for a very old KD, and no where near as good players like Kyrie, Fox, Kat, etc. The only way they would trade Giannis to us, is if we include Scottie + Unprotected picks, so I think we are pretty much out of the running. Giannis has also extended recently with the Bucks, so the leverage is much stronger in this instance with the Bucks.

I don't see any team giving up that OKC haul for PG. And keep in mind, LAC were getting Kawhi signed for 4 years, plus PG for like 3-4 years signed. Was still a horrible deal. But Giannis is a FA after next season. He is also a top 4 player. He will be dictating where he goes.

Also, salaries need to be matched, so players with large salaries are going to end up in Milwaukee.

I said closer to what OKC got ( compared to what the package MTCAN thinks players like Kyrie, Fox, etc. fetched), nobody is going to be as dumb as the Clippers, but the package will still be significant. Someone mentioned this earlier, but teams like the Spurs will easily match the asking price if Giannis has interest in going there.

[dTox]

If I were a betting man, I would put some $$ that it's Houston that wins the sweepstake, esp with KD having such a short window to win now, they have a ton of assets and have salaries to match.

[MiamiSPX]

If I were a betting man, I would put some $$ that it's Houston that wins the sweepstake, esp with KD having such a short window to win now, they have a ton of assets and have salaries to match.

His wife went to university there, so there is a connection.

3 team trade with MIL rerouting FVV to us?

(I'll show myself out).

[ConSarnit]

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I do not understand why Giannis would be upset about waiving Lillard. What exactly does he expect? Lillard is out this entire year and he’s going to be 36 when he comes back. If they don’t waive Lillard the team would be worse than it currently is (of which Giannis is already unhappy) and when Lillard comes back in 26/27 he’ll probably be a low end starter (at best) who is making almost $60m (which means the Bucks would be bad again).

If Giannis thinks Lillard is going to come back and be an all-NBA level player he’s really dumb.

shows incompetence / no plan from the FO / spinning their wheels

How does it show incompetence? So the Bucks plan should have been to have $55m in dead money? That should have been their plan to entice Giannis to stay?

The Bucks have little to no draft capital to trade and $50m+ tied up in a guy who might be starter level when he comes back at 36 years old in ‘26/27? Explain how that is a reasonable plan?

How is keeping Dame not wasting the next 2 years of Giannis career?

[ConSarnit]

There is also an assumption that the Bucks will attach Kuzma (as they should, dude is beyond awful). Apparently that was the offer they made the Knicks in the summer. That's A LOT of salary that needs to be matched.

Another interesting tidbit is neither Mikal Bridges nor De'Aaron Fox can be traded until February 1st. This won't drag on that long, so that means neither one will be included in any deal. From NY's end, it will have to be OG from that duo, and SA can say that Castle and Harper are untouchable, but one of them will have to go.

Giannis and Kuzma make a combined $76m. When has that much money ever been sent out in a trade? Why would the Bucks (who are going to have to completely rebuild) want to lower their return in a Giannis trade by forcing the other team to take Kuzma?

I don’t see the point in adding Kuzma to a Giannis deal when he’s probably a negative value asset. It’s not like the Bucks are going to need the cap space once Giannis is gone.

[Psubs]

If I were a betting man, I would put some $$ that it's Houston that wins the sweepstake, esp with KD having such a short window to win now, they have a ton of assets and have salaries to match.

Jabari Smith, FVV, Steven Adams and Four 1st picks?

PG Sheppard - Holiday
SG Amen - Okogie
SF KD - DFS
PF Giannis - Eason
C Sengun - Capela

[navyblue]

If I were a betting man, I would put some $$ that it's Houston that wins the sweepstake, esp with KD having such a short window to win now, they have a ton of assets and have salaries to match.

Jabari Smith, FVV, Steven Adams and Four 1st picks?

PG Sheppard - Holiday
SG Amen - Okogie
SF KD - DFS
PF Giannis - Eason
C Sengun - Capela

Jabari is ppp so it's complicated to include him.
And fvv has ntc also.

[PushDaRock]

I do not understand why Giannis would be upset about waiving Lillard. What exactly does he expect? Lillard is out this entire year and he’s going to be 36 when he comes back. If they don’t waive Lillard the team would be worse than it currently is (of which Giannis is already unhappy) and when Lillard comes back in 26/27 he’ll probably be a low end starter (at best) who is making almost $60m (which means the Bucks would be bad again).

If Giannis thinks Lillard is going to come back and be an all-NBA level player he’s really dumb.

shows incompetence / no plan from the FO / spinning their wheels

How does it show incompetence? So the Bucks plan should have been to have $55m in dead money? That should have been their plan to entice Giannis to stay?

The Bucks have little to no draft capital to trade and $50m+ tied up in a guy who might be starter level when he comes back at 36 years old in ‘26/27? Explain how that is a reasonable plan?

How is keeping Dame not wasting the next 2 years of Giannis career?

It's why the obvious move was to trade him when you can't field a competitive team around him.

Having 22m in dead money for the next 5 seasons along with limited assets to improve and a weak roster surrounding Giannis is not a recipe for success.

[Kingsway_fan]

If I were a betting man, I would put some $$ that it's Houston that wins the sweepstake, esp with KD having such a short window to win now, they have a ton of assets and have salaries to match.

Jabari Smith, FVV, Steven Adams and Four 1st picks?

PG Sheppard - Holiday
SG Amen - Okogie
SF KD - DFS
PF Giannis - Eason
C Sengun - Capela

Why would Bucks want that?... the picks are all 25+... plus old dudes... horrible ... lol They would need to include Thomson and Seguin.

[navyblue]

If I were a betting man, I would put some $$ that it's Houston that wins the sweepstake, esp with KD having such a short window to win now, they have a ton of assets and have salaries to match.

Jabari Smith, FVV, Steven Adams and Four 1st picks?

PG Sheppard - Holiday
SG Amen - Okogie
SF KD - DFS
PF Giannis - Eason
C Sengun - Capela

Why would Bucks want that?... the picks are all 25+... plus old dudes... horrible ... lol

Rockets have bkn, phx dallas picks

Plus in 5-7 years stuff can happen, see bucks who traded all those pick years ago with a youngish Giannis.

[Kingsway_fan]

Jabari Smith, FVV, Steven Adams and Four 1st picks?

PG Sheppard - Holiday
SG Amen - Okogie
SF KD - DFS
PF Giannis - Eason
C Sengun - Capela

Why would Bucks want that?... the picks are all 25+... plus old dudes... horrible ... lol

Rockets have bkn, phx dallas picks

Plus in 5-7 years stuff can happen, see bucks who traded all those pick years ago with a youngish Giannis.

Ah, those other picks would be enticing ...

[JB7]

There is also an assumption that the Bucks will attach Kuzma (as they should, dude is beyond awful). Apparently that was the offer they made the Knicks in the summer. That's A LOT of salary that needs to be matched.

Another interesting tidbit is neither Mikal Bridges nor De'Aaron Fox can be traded until February 1st. This won't drag on that long, so that means neither one will be included in any deal. From NY's end, it will have to be OG from that duo, and SA can say that Castle and Harper are untouchable, but one of them will have to go.

Giannis and Kuzma make a combined $76m. When has that much money ever been sent out in a trade? Why would the Bucks (who are going to have to completely rebuild) want to lower their return in a Giannis trade by forcing the other team to take Kuzma?

I don’t see the point in adding Kuzma to a Giannis deal when he’s probably a negative value asset. It’s not like the Bucks are going to need the cap space once Giannis is gone.

By adding Kuzma, and even Turner, it allows the Bucks to acquire more talent from the Knicks, that they would not need with Giannis and Turner there.

Easy deal - swap front courts: Giannis, Turner & Kuzma for Towns, OG & Mitchell (and maybe McBride).

Kuzma works for the Knicks because his deal expires after next season. And the Knicks get out of their two largest contracts, and also move Mitchell before he needs to be re-upped.

Milwaukee has nothing on their books, once Giannis, Turner and Kuzma are moved. Only Portis at $15M for 3 seasons (including this year). So they can easily absorb those contracts and Mitchell's extension.

Makes Milwaukee relevant for the next few seasons, so they are not transferring high first round picks.

[Merit]

There is also an assumption that the Bucks will attach Kuzma (as they should, dude is beyond awful). Apparently that was the offer they made the Knicks in the summer. That's A LOT of salary that needs to be matched.

Another interesting tidbit is neither Mikal Bridges nor De'Aaron Fox can be traded until February 1st. This won't drag on that long, so that means neither one will be included in any deal. From NY's end, it will have to be OG from that duo, and SA can say that Castle and Harper are untouchable, but one of them will have to go.

Giannis is a player I would trade anyone other than Scottie and BI for. I wonder if we would move Jak + IQ + Gradey + Ochai + Mogbo 2-3 first round picks in 2027 onwards for Giannis + Rollins + Prince + Harris. (Note: Giannis + Anthony + Prince + Coffey also works)

Milwaukee gets younger, cost controlled assets and have a semblance of a core: IQ/Green/Gradey/Turner/Jak and Portis
Raptors get Giannis and older vets to round out a championship calibre team. Plus they keep their first this year.

Raps Roster:

PG Rollins/Shead
SG RJ/Jakobe/Harris
SF BI/Prince
PF Scottie/CMB/Mogbo
C Giannis/Mamu

We’re missing someone giant to bang with the Jokic and Embiid’s, but we are STUPID mobile and have enough bench shooting and scoring to make things happen. Next year gets really interesting for us as we would potentially need a PG if Milwaukee decides to keep Rollins and moves Anthony instead. No idea of their valuation of Rollins given his surprise season.

[WuTang_CMB]

I do not understand why Giannis would be upset about waiving Lillard. What exactly does he expect? Lillard is out this entire year and he’s going to be 36 when he comes back. If they don’t waive Lillard the team would be worse than it currently is (of which Giannis is already unhappy) and when Lillard comes back in 26/27 he’ll probably be a low end starter (at best) who is making almost $60m (which means the Bucks would be bad again).

If Giannis thinks Lillard is going to come back and be an all-NBA level player he’s really dumb.

shows incompetence / no plan from the FO / spinning their wheels

How does it show incompetence? So the Bucks plan should have been to have $55m in dead money? That should have been their plan to entice Giannis to stay?

The Bucks have little to no draft capital to trade and $50m+ tied up in a guy who might be starter level when he comes back at 36 years old in ‘26/27? Explain how that is a reasonable plan?

How is keeping Dame not wasting the next 2 years of Giannis career?

They traded Jrue. And by doing that, they have dead money on the books because of their mistake with Lillard. Its a bandaid on their mistake. Horst has made a ton of mistakes. Not to mention all the draft whiffs. They dont have a plan. They’ve been spinning their wheels for a while. Its only Giannis carrying else they would be at the bottom of the league.

[sidsid]

I'm sorry to say this, but Giannis is going to fetch a package closer to what OKC got for PG than what teams got for a very old KD, and no where near as good players like Kyrie, Fox, Kat, etc. The only way they would trade Giannis to us, is if we include Scottie + Unprotected picks, so I think we are pretty much out of the running. Giannis has also extended recently with the Bucks, so the leverage is much stronger in this instance with the Bucks.

I don't see any team giving up that OKC haul for PG. And keep in mind, LAC were getting Kawhi signed for 4 years, plus PG for like 3-4 years signed. Was still a horrible deal. But Giannis is a FA after next season. He is also a top 4 player. He will be dictating where he goes.

Also, salaries need to be matched, so players with large salaries are going to end up in Milwaukee.

I said closer to what OKC got ( compared to what the package MTCAN thinks players like Kyrie, Fox, etc. fetched), nobody is going to be as dumb as the Clippers, but the package will still be significant. Someone mentioned this earlier, but teams like the Spurs will easily match the asking price if Giannis has interest in going there.

There have been some pretty big packages for run of the mill all stars and fringe stars.

Also remembering that at the time, SGA was the only real player asset going over, who's ceiling was fine, but not what's expected now of course. They got the usual dump of all picks for George, who had recently had superstar level duels with LeBron in Indy.

Murray to the Pels got a recent lotto player and 2 other picks in there. Bane for 4 picks. Of course the Mikal Bridges disaster. Fringe guys who are young.

A half level up Jrue to the Bucks for all the picks. Lillard for Jrue and the rest a few years later. Mitchell for all the picks and an SGA suprise prospect in Lauri.

Prime superstar Harden and all his worts for everything on the Nets. Prime AD for everything on the Lakers, and he demanded to go there.

It's only the old guys (KD, Jimmy) who are going lower for understandable reasons.

Giannis is better than anyone on this list and in the middle of his prime.

[Kingsway_fan]

It boils down to Giannis preferred team (s) choices...
Seems he wants Knicks.

[mtcan]

I don't see any team giving up that OKC haul for PG. And keep in mind, LAC were getting Kawhi signed for 4 years, plus PG for like 3-4 years signed. Was still a horrible deal. But Giannis is a FA after next season. He is also a top 4 player. He will be dictating where he goes.

Also, salaries need to be matched, so players with large salaries are going to end up in Milwaukee.

I said closer to what OKC got ( compared to what the package MTCAN thinks players like Kyrie, Fox, etc. fetched), nobody is going to be as dumb as the Clippers, but the package will still be significant. Someone mentioned this earlier, but teams like the Spurs will easily match the asking price if Giannis has interest in going there.

There have been some pretty big packages for run of the mill all stars and fringe stars.

Also remembering that at the time, SGA was the only real player asset going over, who's ceiling was fine, but not what's expected now of course. They got the usual dump of all picks for George, who had recently had superstar level duels with LeBron in Indy.

Murray to the Pels got a recent lotto player and 2 other picks in there. Bane for 4 picks. Of course the Mikal Bridges disaster. Fringe guys who are young.

A half level up Jrue to the Bucks for all the picks. Lillard for Jrue and the rest a few years later. Mitchell for all the picks and an SGA suprise prospect in Lauri.

Prime superstar Harden and all his worts for everything on the Nets. Prime AD for everything on the Lakers, and he demanded to go there.

It's only the old guys (KD, Jimmy) who are going lower for understandable reasons.

Giannis is better than anyone on this list and in the middle of his prime.

Giannis at 28...absolutely requires you sacrifice your best player. Giannis at 31 with the style of game he plays (i.e. everything straight at the basket and zero outside shooting)...I don't him aging well. Can't compare him to Lebron or KD or even Jokic. These guys extend their career by not 100% relying on athleticism and being able to shoot. Body will break down sooner and more often because of how hard he has to play in order to be dominant...and how much longer can he keep doing it at?

[Raptorfan2012]

We are not getting Giannis. Our only advantage was his relationship with Masai, and he is now gone. We are more likely to get a guy like Morant or Sabonis than Giannis.