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Re: Summer Runs and Random Player Sightings 

Post#1441 » by RaptorPride » Fri Jul 4, 2025 3:32 am

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Post#1443 » by Tor_Raps » Fri Jul 4, 2025 4:16 am

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Demar actually turned himself into an elite scorer from all the work he did. We are waiting for Scottie to really improve on anything much from his rookie year lol.
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Post#1444 » by tecumseh18 » Fri Jul 4, 2025 4:50 am

Tor_Raps wrote:Demar actually turned himself into an elite scorer from all the work he did. We are waiting for Scottie to really improve on anything much from his rookie year lol.


Scottie turned himself into an all-Defence caliber player, on top of being an all-star in his third season. On his best days, DeMar's defence makes KAT seem like Mutombo by comparison. How many seasons did it take DeMar to become an all-star?
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Post#1445 » by manjusaka » Fri Jul 4, 2025 6:25 am

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Tor_Raps wrote:Demar actually turned himself into an elite scorer from all the work he did. We are waiting for Scottie to really improve on anything much from his rookie year lol.


Scottie turned himself into an all-Defence caliber player, on top of being an all-star in his third season. On his best days, DeMar's defence makes KAT seem like Mutombo by comparison. How many seasons did it take DeMar to become an all-star?



DDR and Lowry lead us into the playoffs consistently. Scottie had not.
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Post#1446 » by RoteSchroder » Fri Jul 4, 2025 7:42 am

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tecumseh18 wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:Demar actually turned himself into an elite scorer from all the work he did. We are waiting for Scottie to really improve on anything much from his rookie year lol.


Scottie turned himself into an all-Defence caliber player, on top of being an all-star in his third season. On his best days, DeMar's defence makes KAT seem like Mutombo by comparison. How many seasons did it take DeMar to become an all-star?



DDR and Lowry lead us into the playoffs consistently. Scottie had not.


DD was never that talented, didn’t have a good first step. His role was basically shouldering some of the offensive burden while Lowry won us games. He was a negative if the ball stuck to his hands too much. Dude maxed out his talent.

Scottie has better athleticism, length, height than DD and has had above average handles/passing ability since his rookie season. He’s better as a help defender than 1 v 1 defender, but defense is most about experience, effort, IQ/awareness and improving your body rather than improving your skills. i.e. It doesn’t matter what DD does or works on in the off-season, he was never gonna become a plus defender.
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Post#1447 » by HumbleRen » Fri Jul 4, 2025 11:10 am

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tecumseh18 wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:Demar actually turned himself into an elite scorer from all the work he did. We are waiting for Scottie to really improve on anything much from his rookie year lol.


Scottie turned himself into an all-Defence caliber player, on top of being an all-star in his third season. On his best days, DeMar's defence makes KAT seem like Mutombo by comparison. How many seasons did it take DeMar to become an all-star?



DDR and Lowry lead us into the playoffs consistently. Scottie had not.


DD had the luxury of having a better player than him for virtually the entire time to be fair. Demar only had to focus on being a volume scorer with us.

I’ll give him credit though, he became a much better player when he began to hit his 30’s. That’s a testament to his extremely hard work. It might not result in any meaningful basketball in the playoffs but it’s still impressive to see his longevity, he’s outlasted Lowry in a significant way.
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Post#1448 » by TimeForChange » Fri Jul 4, 2025 12:35 pm

manjusaka wrote:
tecumseh18 wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:Demar actually turned himself into an elite scorer from all the work he did. We are waiting for Scottie to really improve on anything much from his rookie year lol.


Scottie turned himself into an all-Defence caliber player, on top of being an all-star in his third season. On his best days, DeMar's defence makes KAT seem like Mutombo by comparison. How many seasons did it take DeMar to become an all-star?



DDR and Lowry lead us into the playoffs consistently. Scottie had not.

demar didn't make the playoffs until his 6th season
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Post#1449 » by And1Skip » Fri Jul 4, 2025 12:54 pm

manjusaka wrote:
tecumseh18 wrote:
Tor_Raps wrote:Demar actually turned himself into an elite scorer from all the work he did. We are waiting for Scottie to really improve on anything much from his rookie year lol.


Scottie turned himself into an all-Defence caliber player, on top of being an all-star in his third season. On his best days, DeMar's defence makes KAT seem like Mutombo by comparison. How many seasons did it take DeMar to become an all-star?



DDR and Lowry lead us into the playoffs consistently. Scottie had not.


DeMar didn't make the playoffs until his 5th season when they traded Rudy Gay and gave the keys to him and Lowry. Scottie is entering his 5th season. DeMar was very mediocre in his first 4 seasons. He only perfected the mid-range game later on due to his limitations in wingspan. If it wasn't for Lowry, DeMar would have had a career similar to Gay.
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Post#1450 » by sbsat » Fri Jul 4, 2025 2:31 pm

While I am dissapointed in the pace of barnes devlelopment and I acknowledge those summer videos look way more intense for demar vs scottie, barnes did improve massively as a defender last year. like massive. Also his mid range game made progress.
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Post#1451 » by manjusaka » Fri Jul 4, 2025 3:28 pm

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manjusaka wrote:
tecumseh18 wrote:
Scottie turned himself into an all-Defence caliber player, on top of being an all-star in his third season. On his best days, DeMar's defence makes KAT seem like Mutombo by comparison. How many seasons did it take DeMar to become an all-star?



DDR and Lowry lead us into the playoffs consistently. Scottie had not.


DD was never that talented, didn’t have a good first step. His role was basically shouldering some of the offensive burden while Lowry won us games. He was a negative if the ball stuck to his hands too much. Dude maxed out his talent.

Scottie has better athleticism, length, height than DD and has had above average handles/passing ability since his rookie season. He’s better as a help defender than 1 v 1 defender, but defense is most about experience, effort, IQ/awareness and improving your body rather than improving your skills. i.e. It doesn’t matter what DD does or works on in the off-season, he was never gonna become a plus defender.


SB is much more talented. However, at this point of his career, his status had been surpassed by Cade. SB needs to prove it he can lead the team into playoffs consistently before getting into the same conversation as DDR. DDR had 4 all star and 2 all nba with us. SB needs to catch up. He has the talent to, but he has to prove it.
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Post#1452 » by StopitLeo » Fri Jul 4, 2025 5:14 pm

manjusaka wrote:
RoteSchroder wrote:
manjusaka wrote:

DDR and Lowry lead us into the playoffs consistently. Scottie had not.


DD was never that talented, didn’t have a good first step. His role was basically shouldering some of the offensive burden while Lowry won us games. He was a negative if the ball stuck to his hands too much. Dude maxed out his talent.

Scottie has better athleticism, length, height than DD and has had above average handles/passing ability since his rookie season. He’s better as a help defender than 1 v 1 defender, but defense is most about experience, effort, IQ/awareness and improving your body rather than improving your skills. i.e. It doesn’t matter what DD does or works on in the off-season, he was never gonna become a plus defender.


SB is much more talented. However, at this point of his career, his status had been surpassed by Cade. SB needs to prove it he can lead the team into playoffs consistently before getting into the same conversation as DDR. DDR had 4 all star and 2 all nba with us. SB needs to catch up. He has the talent to, but he has to prove it.


Over the past two seasons Scottie has been put in a scoring role that doesn’t fit his game. It’s become clear since Pascal was traded that Scottie needs to play with a true primary scoring threat, which is where the Ingram acquisition comes in. This isn’t even a 1A/1B situation, Scottie at most should be a #2 option sharing the load with other starters on any given day.

If Toronto returns to being a perennial 45+ win playoff team it will be Ingram leading the way, not Scottie.
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Post#1454 » by GLF » Fri Jul 4, 2025 10:36 pm

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I love that he’s wearing an ankle brace. Now I don’t know if he’s always worn one but if not I hope he keeps it up. Anything to help prevent another bad ankle sprain is welcome lol. It seems to have helped Steph Curry because he used to stay spraining his ankle in his early seasons. Then he started wearing the brace on both ankles permanently and I can’t remember the last time I heard of ankle sprains with him.
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Post#1455 » by GLF » Fri Jul 4, 2025 10:36 pm

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Also I guess everyone can stop worrying now lol
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Post#1456 » by ill-Will03 » Fri Jul 4, 2025 11:03 pm

Hopefully Scase is happy now lol
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Post#1457 » by GLF » Fri Jul 4, 2025 11:16 pm

ill-Will03 wrote:Hopefully Scase is happy now lol



Let’s be real, he will never be happy lol
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Post#1458 » by StopitLeo » Sat Jul 5, 2025 12:04 am

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I love that he’s wearing an ankle brace. Now I don’t know if he’s always worn one but if not I hope he keeps it up. Anything to help prevent another bad ankle sprain is welcome lol. It seems to have helped Steph Curry because he used to stay spraining his ankle in his early seasons. Then he started wearing the brace on both ankles permanently and I can’t remember the last time I heard of ankle sprains with him.


A quick Google Images search tells me that Ingram did not wear ankle braces in New Orleans.

Steph had his ankles cleaned out (tons of scar tissue) and then changed his training to improve his hip strength and stability. Braces don’t hurt though. Plus I trust the Raptors medical staff with anything after they got Kawhi through the year.
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Post#1459 » by GLF » Sat Jul 5, 2025 1:15 am

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I love that he’s wearing an ankle brace. Now I don’t know if he’s always worn one but if not I hope he keeps it up. Anything to help prevent another bad ankle sprain is welcome lol. It seems to have helped Steph Curry because he used to stay spraining his ankle in his early seasons. Then he started wearing the brace on both ankles permanently and I can’t remember the last time I heard of ankle sprains with him.


A quick Google Images search tells me that Ingram did not wear ankle braces in New Orleans.

Steph had his ankles cleaned out (tons of scar tissue) and then changed his training to improve his hip strength and stability. Braces don’t hurt though. Plus I trust the Raptors medical staff with anything after they got Kawhi through the year.


I’m glad I was right about him not wearing it in New Orleans. Yea braces aren’t some saviour and I think I remember Steph doing a procedure on his ankles as you said. But the main thing I remember noticing was after a couple of really bad sprains he started wearing the braces on both ankles and since he’s never really had ankle issues that I know of and this would be many years later now. The procedure probably was the biggest reason though and hopefully that shot or whatever BI took helps him as well.
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Post#1460 » by OhCanada » Sat Jul 5, 2025 2:38 am

manjusaka wrote:
RoteSchroder wrote:
manjusaka wrote:

DDR and Lowry lead us into the playoffs consistently. Scottie had not.


DD was never that talented, didn’t have a good first step. His role was basically shouldering some of the offensive burden while Lowry won us games. He was a negative if the ball stuck to his hands too much. Dude maxed out his talent.

Scottie has better athleticism, length, height than DD and has had above average handles/passing ability since his rookie season. He’s better as a help defender than 1 v 1 defender, but defense is most about experience, effort, IQ/awareness and improving your body rather than improving your skills. i.e. It doesn’t matter what DD does or works on in the off-season, he was never gonna become a plus defender.


SB is much more talented. However, at this point of his career, his status had been surpassed by Cade. SB needs to prove it he can lead the team into playoffs consistently before getting into the same conversation as DDR. DDR had 4 all star and 2 all nba with us. SB needs to catch up. He has the talent to, but he has to prove it.

This is the year for Scottie to prove exactly what he is. Last year the team was clearly tanking. The "ethical tank" bs. He didn't have a chance. Also dealt with a hand/wrist injury. This year weve got the peices, a true 1st option, depth, young players to grow with and even mentor. Everybody needs to hold back to critisismmuntil the end of this season and we will find out where he really is with his game. I expect a season similar to his allstar season but with more wins and slightly better effeciency and defence.

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