Official NBA General Discussion 2023-24 V1.0

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Oh looks like maxey led team doesn’t equivalent = wins

why was embiid dnp-cd

[Los_29]

Why does Walker Kessler come off the bench and play only 20 minutes a game? Were we right when we claimed he was a flawed, situational big?

[HumbleRen]

Why does Walker Kessler come off the bench and play only 20 minutes a game? Were we right when we claimed he was a flawed, situational big?

Who are you taking off in the starting line up then ?

Josh Collins makes $25M a year, good luck bringing him off the bench.

[Los_29]

Why does Walker Kessler come off the bench and play only 20 minutes a game? Were we right when we claimed he was a flawed, situational big?

Who are you taking off in the starting line up then ?

Josh Collins makes $25M a year, good luck bringing him off the bench.

And Utah CHOSE to trade for Collins as opposed to starting Kessler. That says a lot.

[HumbleRen]

Why does Walker Kessler come off the bench and play only 20 minutes a game? Were we right when we claimed he was a flawed, situational big?

Who are you taking off in the starting line up then ?

Josh Collins makes $25M a year, good luck bringing him off the bench.

And Utah CHOSE to trade for Collins as opposed to starting Kessler. That says a lot.

And we chose to give up a pick, devalued a pick and pay 20M a year for a center. What does that say about Koloko ?


See how fraudulent that logic is lol.

[Basketball_Jones]

Kessler is 22 in his 2nd year is it really smart to pick on him like he’s done? Lol.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Kessler is 22 in his 2nd year is it really smart to pick on him like he’s done? Lol.

he's regressed from last year...that is a concern....

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Who are you taking off in the starting line up then ?

Josh Collins makes $25M a year, good luck bringing him off the bench.

And Utah CHOSE to trade for Collins as opposed to starting Kessler. That says a lot.

And we chose to give up a pick, devalued a pick and pay 20M a year for a center. What does that say about Koloko ?


See how fraudulent that logic is lol.

koloko was brought in as a raw player; we all knew this.
kessler was paraded around here as the next great white hope. that bandwagon has crashed pretty hard.

[ItsDanger]

Read on Twitter

Damn.

[Basketball_Jones]

Kessler is 22 in his 2nd year is it really smart to pick on him like he’s done? Lol.

he's regressed from last year...that is a concern....

Sure, but we all have experience with a certain second year player that regressed here as well

[AkelaLoneWolf]

Kessler is 22 in his 2nd year is it really smart to pick on him like he’s done? Lol.

he's regressed from last year...that is a concern....

Sure, but we all have experience with a certain second year player that regressed here as well

and there were concerns then too...newspaper articles were written about it; it was discussed on this forum. fanboys dismissed it as 'hater talk' but it was there.

[Basketball_Jones]

he's regressed from last year...that is a concern....

Sure, but we all have experience with a certain second year player that regressed here as well

and there were concerns then too...newspaper articles were written about it; it was discussed on this forum. fanboys dismissed it as 'hater talk' but it was there.

Not sure what we’re debating here. Concerns are fine but second year players aren’t done and sometimes they struggle. We’ve learned it isn’t smart to bet on that continuing, so I won’t do that with Kessler either.

[HumbleRen]

And Utah CHOSE to trade for Collins as opposed to starting Kessler. That says a lot.

And we chose to give up a pick, devalued a pick and pay 20M a year for a center. What does that say about Koloko ?


See how fraudulent that logic is lol.

koloko was brought in as a raw player; we all knew this.
kessler was paraded around here as the next great white hope. that bandwagon has crashed pretty hard.

All people said was if we didn’t give up a first for Thad and were targeting a big with the pick, we could have had Walker Kessler making pennies instead of paying overpaying Poeltl.

Not sure why you guys are acting as if Kessler has been ass this year either. He’s basically averaging Poeltl’s numbers despite coming off the bench.

[ItsDanger]

Walker Kessler's per36 stats are similar to last season. Ainge is in asset accumulation mode still. So, Collins must start. He obviously didn't acquire him to compete, in fact, the for sale sign is already up. Why does this have to be explained over and over??? It's a common practice in NBA especially due to salary cap rules. If Raps actually rebuilt, they could utilize this method but they refuse to.

[Los_29]

And we chose to give up a pick, devalued a pick and pay 20M a year for a center. What does that say about Koloko ?


See how fraudulent that logic is lol.

koloko was brought in as a raw player; we all knew this.
kessler was paraded around here as the next great white hope. that bandwagon has crashed pretty hard.

All people said was if we didn’t give up a first for Thad and were targeting a big with the pick, we could have had Walker Kessler making pennies instead of paying overpaying Poeltl.

Not sure why you guys are acting as if Kessler has been ass this year either. He’s basically averaging Poeltl’s numbers despite coming off the bench.

Kessler has not been good this year.

The Thad trade was made for cap purposes. The FO (and other front offices) believed that there was very little difference between the 15th-35th picks in the draft. As of right now, they are right.

A team looking to rebuild went out and got Collins instead of starting Walker Kessler. That tells me they don’t believe in him long-term.

[HumbleRen]

koloko was brought in as a raw player; we all knew this.
kessler was paraded around here as the next great white hope. that bandwagon has crashed pretty hard.

All people said was if we didn’t give up a first for Thad and were targeting a big with the pick, we could have had Walker Kessler making pennies instead of paying overpaying Poeltl.

Not sure why you guys are acting as if Kessler has been ass this year either. He’s basically averaging Poeltl’s numbers despite coming off the bench.

Kessler has not been good this year.

The Thad trade was made for cap purposes. The FO (and other front offices) believed that there was very little difference between the 15th-35th picks in the draft. As of right now, they are right.

A team looking to rebuild went out and got Collins instead of starting Walker Kessler. That tells me they don’t believe in him long-term.

It blows my mind how wrong you are about things.

It’s truly adorable.

[Los_29]

And Utah CHOSE to trade for Collins as opposed to starting Kessler. That says a lot.

And we chose to give up a pick, devalued a pick and pay 20M a year for a center. What does that say about Koloko ?


See how fraudulent that logic is lol.

koloko was brought in as a raw player; we all knew this.
kessler was paraded around here as the next great white hope. that bandwagon has crashed pretty hard.

Funny how silent it’s been about him this year. People tried bringing up his limitations last year but some just refused to believe it. They thought he would become a deadly shooter, a mobile, switchable big and a future all-star.

That’s not to say he can’t get better but there are some things that will be difficult for him to improve upon. Still a useful, situational big though.

[Los_29]

All people said was if we didn’t give up a first for Thad and were targeting a big with the pick, we could have had Walker Kessler making pennies instead of paying overpaying Poeltl.

Not sure why you guys are acting as if Kessler has been ass this year either. He’s basically averaging Poeltl’s numbers despite coming off the bench.

Kessler has not been good this year.

The Thad trade was made for cap purposes. The FO (and other front offices) believed that there was very little difference between the 15th-35th picks in the draft. As of right now, they are right.

A team looking to rebuild went out and got Collins instead of starting Walker Kessler. That tells me they don’t believe in him long-term.

It blows my mind how wrong you are about things.

It’s truly adorable.

Are you denying that Kessler has not been worse than last year?

Are you denying that GMs believed there was very little difference in the 15-35 range of the 2022 draft?

Are you denying that the Thad trade was not made for cap purposes?

Just because it goes against your narrative doesn’t mean it’s incorrect. These are all facts.

[HumbleRen]

And we chose to give up a pick, devalued a pick and pay 20M a year for a center. What does that say about Koloko ?


See how fraudulent that logic is lol.

koloko was brought in as a raw player; we all knew this.
kessler was paraded around here as the next great white hope. that bandwagon has crashed pretty hard.

Funny how silent it’s been about him this year. People tried bringing up his limitations last year but some just refused to believe it. They thought he would become a deadly shooter, a mobile, switchable big and a future all-star.

That’s not to say he can’t get better but there are some things that will be difficult for him to improve upon. Still a useful, situational big though.

Again, you’re making up things or taking the most extreme statements and making it seem like it was the consensus.

He’s a 2nd year player averaging 9/8 coming off the bench while making less than $3M a year. Poeltl is averaging 10/8 as a starter making $20M per year for the next 4 years.

No matter how much you want to distort reality or lie, we are objectively as a franchise in a much better place if we selected Kesseler and didn’t trade for Poeltl.

It was true at the moment and it’s undeniably true now. I know it hurts to accept that but you’ll be okay.

[Los_29]

koloko was brought in as a raw player; we all knew this.
kessler was paraded around here as the next great white hope. that bandwagon has crashed pretty hard.

Funny how silent it’s been about him this year. People tried bringing up his limitations last year but some just refused to believe it. They thought he would become a deadly shooter, a mobile, switchable big and a future all-star.

That’s not to say he can’t get better but there are some things that will be difficult for him to improve upon. Still a useful, situational big though.

Again, you’re making up things or taking the most extreme statements and making it seem like it was the consensus.

He’s a 2nd year player averaging 9/8 coming off the bench while making less than $3M a year. Poeltl is averaging 10/8 as a starter making $20M per year for the next 4 years.

No matter how much you want to distort reality or lie, we are objectively as a franchise in a much better place if we selected Kesseler and didn’t trade for Poeltl.

It was true at the moment and it’s undeniably true now. I know it hurts to accept that but you’ll be okay.

I don’t care about the Poeltl trade. I was critical of that trade when it was made.

Kessler was talked about last year as an impact player with loads of upside. He can’t even start for a rebuilding team. That rebuilding team went out and got John Collins.

The point is, Kessler is a limited and flawed big man. Missing out on him isn’t significant and as I said before, we may not like it but the salary cap exists and every decision a team makes always has the salary cap in mind. So no, you are not looking at things objectively because you’re ignoring an incredibly important detail.