Schultz: Raptors also shopping Jonas Valanciunas -- there is interest

[OAKLEY_2]

We need shooters JV for Brandon Knight would be good , bebe should get better too. bebe could be just like whiteside if he works hard

Wow this is so far from the truth I dunno what to say

We pretty much have to throw JV, Carroll, Joseph and Bebe into the pot, stir, and see what comes back. No tax payments and a body or two ideally. If I was to guess JV and Cory are the ones moved for cap relief. This is not Masai's strength where he isn't taking advantage of a value trade opportunity. Probably why the process is ongoing. Do not think July 4th stops the dealing.

[RaptorsLife]

The rumors about Drummond trade at deadline l, the rumors at draft and the rumors right now about Raptors trying to trade

Inconsistent mins with Casey. It's time to cut loose with this guy for both parties

Mark my words, he will be back because we won't be able to trade him and this rgm cage match will go on forever. They have tried to find a suitable trade for 8 months now. I don't see what changed in 8 months.

I hope not but if he does stay I hope Jv should accept he would be the 5th option on offence with

Lowry
Derozan
Powell
Ibaka

He isn't better than any of those. That's not a Casey issue

[RaptorsNorth]

Obviously it's nothing good or else he would have been gone by now. How long has he been on the block ? For weeks. JV is the new jose. It's going to take years to get get rid of him because the return is so poor. Masai will finally wake up and say ok that's it. I just have to take a BS deal to get rid of him. someone had a sig years ago when I used to visit this board that had a picture of Jose and it said I'm here forever lol Somebody needs to make one of JV.

[mrdressup]

Once you get to the point where you are done with a guy, just get it over with. We' ve correctly surmised that we would rather have Ibaka and lose value on JV's forced departure than not retain Ibaka. Part of the return for JV is that we keep Ibaka. Now, just get that bozo off this team so our IQ can go up a notch. Whoever gets him is inheriting a mistake, so don't compound things by asking for a lot in return. At the pace that good, fast and three point shooting centers are entering the league JV will be back-benched or playing in Europe before you know it. We missed the boat on trading this guy two years ago. Guys don't develop between the ears.

[gerrit4]

Obviously it's nothing good or else he would have been gone by now. How long has he been on the block ? For weeks. JV is the new jose. It's going to take years to get get rid of him because the return is so poor. Masai will finally wake up and say ok that's it. I just have to take a BS deal to get rid of him.

Well, clearly some deals are being held up by Hayward - so that's possible.

But why take a BS deal to get rid of him? He's not perfect, but he's a 12/10 big man who shoots over 50% from the field and 80% from the line. He's the best rebounder on a team that will have a really hard time rebounding.

He's been on the block for about two weeks before the trade deadline, and then the 4 days of free agency. That's not very long.

I'm not saying we should expect value for him. But if we do trade him, it's not like we're going to get a better player back for the MLE. It's going to be someone like Omri Casspi or Nick Young - which makes our team worse than it was with JV.

We might as well keep him. Heck, if Javale McGee and Zaza can contribute on the best team in the league, we can find some minutes for our young centre. Even in a bench role.

[Syd-TK3]

If we woulda kept JV slim and agile none of this would be a problem

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[TheAlchemist]

San Antonio wants to get rid of LMA,

We want to get rid of Jonas, and we are willing to add Corey Joseph.

I think we can make something work if we're going down t he route to compete. LMA might not be the best fit, but he'd definitely be welcomed in our sort of offense. He has 2 years left after his deal, and is completely aligned with our window.

[Cool-Hand-Luke]

San Antonio wants to get rid of LMA,

We want to get rid of Jonas, and we are willing to add Corey Joseph.

I think we can make something work if we're going down t he route to compete. LMA might not be the best fit, but he'd definitely be welcomed in our sort of offense. He has 2 years left after his deal, and is completely aligned with our window.

I'm not terribly sure if the money fits for us in terms of lux tax savings, but this move would be very interesting. We would certainly need to dump Carroll and not take back any salary. Aldridge could move back to the four or be interchangeable with Ibaka depending on defensive assignments. If we are rolling into next season, we need an upgrade. The Cavs are going to clean up the buyout market once again this season to fill up their holes. We need more firepower to compete. However, I just don't see it working cause of the money.

[Raptorfan2012]

San Antonio wants to get rid of LMA,

We want to get rid of Jonas, and we are willing to add Corey Joseph.

I think we can make something work if we're going down t he route to compete. LMA might not be the best fit, but he'd definitely be welcomed in our sort of offense. He has 2 years left after his deal, and is completely aligned with our window.

I think LMA has a player option after this season, which is fine. If he works out, we can try to re-sign him. If it doesn't, it frees up salary for guys like Powell. I think they are waiting on the George Hill situation. If he signs elsewhere, they may have a use for someone like CoJo. JV and CoJo for LMA straight up works in terms of salary, but it barely saves us any money.

[OAKLEY_2]

San Antonio wants to get rid of LMA,

We want to get rid of Jonas, and we are willing to add Corey Joseph.

I think we can make something work if we're going down t he route to compete. LMA might not be the best fit, but he'd definitely be welcomed in our sort of offense. He has 2 years left after his deal, and is completely aligned with our window.

Pops has the ability to reinvent the game so guaranteed he makes the best ever JV lemonade. If he gets Joseph back they don't skip a beat. Seems a bit of an irony if Joseph were to facilitate LMA coming and going.

Would not surprise me one bit if a deal had to be Norm: (cause of future cap issues) JV and Joseph with no picks going out...
For
LMA plus Dejounte

Serge/LMA/OG
Lowry/Derozan

Siakim/Poetl/DMC
Wright/Dejounte

That is the best roster on paper we have ever had.

[JV4MVP]

bebe could be just like whiteside if he works hard

[TheAlchemist]

San Antonio wants to get rid of LMA,

We want to get rid of Jonas, and we are willing to add Corey Joseph.

I think we can make something work if we're going down t he route to compete. LMA might not be the best fit, but he'd definitely be welcomed in our sort of offense. He has 2 years left after his deal, and is completely aligned with our window.

Pops has the ability to reinvent the game so guaranteed he makes the best ever JV lemonade. If he gets Joseph back they don't skip a beat. Seems a bit of an irony if Joseph were to facilitate LMA coming and going.

Would not surprise me one bit if a deal had to be Norm: (cause of future cap issues) JV and Joseph with no picks going out...
For
LMA plus Dejounte

Serge/LMA/OG
Lowry/Derozan

Siakim/Poetl/DMC
Wright/Dejounte

That is the best roster on paper we have ever had.

I'd rather a pick + considerations then Powell.

If we end up giving that package for LMA, I have a feeling both Jonas and Powell would turn into all-stars under Pops.

Powell under Greg ... Jesus. Raptor fans would be tormenting themselves.

Still think that it could be done with JV + CoJo + a 1st or second.

It all depends on George Hill.

[Saciid11]

Masai can you please trade JV already so we can shut his fans up for good ...

[Saciid11]

The rumors about Drummond trade at deadline l, the rumors at draft and the rumors right now about Raptors trying to trade

Inconsistent mins with Casey. It's time to cut loose with this guy for both parties

Mark my words, he will be back because we won't be able to trade him and this rgm cage match will go on forever. They have tried to find a suitable trade for 8 months now. I don't see what changed in 8 months.

I have been saying trade him for the past 4 years, but everybody laughed it off and called me hater... Well just like Bargnani his value is not much around the ... unless Masai gets a dump GM or owner like Dolan to give us significant asset..

[RaptorsNorth]

If JV got HIMSELF slim and agile none of this would be a problem

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fixed.

[metafisical]

I'd rather a pick + considerations then Powell.

If we end up giving that package for LMA, I have a feeling both Jonas and Powell would turn into all-stars under Pops.

Powell under Greg ... Jesus. Raptor fans would be tormenting themselves.

Still think that it could be done with JV + CoJo + a 1st or second.

It all depends on George Hill.

What does it matter if JV and Powell turn into all-stars under Pops? They will NEVER be all-stars with the Raptors under Casey. They will simply be good role-players.

If it meant getting rid of all, or two, of JV, CoJo and Carroll, I would gladly include Powell in the deal.

I would aim for JV, CoJo, Carroll and Powell for Parker, LMA and Murray. Assuming LMA doesn't exercise his player option in 2018/19, we'd have about $37 million in expiring this season in LMA and Parker. We can fill our roster with rookies next off-season.

[metafisical]

If JV got HIMSELF traded to Utah for Gobert, none of this would be a problem

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fixed.

Fixed again.

[Saciid11]

San Antonio wants to get rid of LMA,

We want to get rid of Jonas, and we are willing to add Corey Joseph.

I think we can make something work if we're going down t he route to compete. LMA might not be the best fit, but he'd definitely be welcomed in our sort of offense. He has 2 years left after his deal, and is completely aligned with our window.

Pops has the ability to reinvent the game so guaranteed he makes the best ever JV lemonade. If he gets Joseph back they don't skip a beat. Seems a bit of an irony if Joseph were to facilitate LMA coming and going.

Would not surprise me one bit if a deal had to be Norm: (cause of future cap issues) JV and Joseph with no picks going out...
For
LMA plus Dejounte

Serge/LMA/OG
Lowry/Derozan

Siakim/Poetl/DMC
Wright/Dejounte

That is the best roster on paper we have ever had.

I'd rather a pick + considerations then Powell.

If we end up giving that package for LMA, I have a feeling both Jonas and Powell would turn into all-stars under Pops.

Powell under Greg ... Jesus. Raptor fans would be tormenting themselves.

Still think that it could be done with JV + CoJo + a 1st or second.

It all depends on George Hill.

Keep telling yourself those fantasies ... Pop couldn't turn LMA who was an all star a all star what makes you think he can turn a big who can't defend and pass into all star or better what makes you think he will get significant minutes under Pop.

[verysalt]

Masai can you please trade JV already so we can shut his fans up for good ...

Not just a hater, but also a flamer

What makes you to think that being a hater is better than being a fan ?

[TheAlchemist]

Masai can you please trade JV already so we can shut his fans up for good ...

Look,

I've been on this forum a while and I've seen a fair share of fanboys on this forum.

From the TJ vs Jose debates,

to the Bargnani fan boys,

hell we had guys here who thought Joey Graham was going to develop into an Igoudala.

Everybody has their own perspective on players and although metrics and performance do prove who is an impact player vs who is not, sometimes there are situations where certain opinions are legitimate.

For instance; I advocated a lot for Lowry and was delighted Colangelo got him from Houston. What I was really pissed off about, was Lowry backing up Jose because Casey wasn't flexible enough to give the keys to Lowry.

Jose was defensively weaker, statistically at the time, and although shot the ball well, he was a really bad fit for our team. Eventually Lowry took over and look at what he has accomplished.

I think we can all agree Casey isn't the most flexible and "complete" coach in the history of the league. In fact I think he is lucky that he's come this far.

The league has definitely moved to a mobile athletic rim runner type of center vs the slow prodding big man. But I also think fans of Jonas are upset because in his first year or two, he was exactly what the league requires now.

It's unfortunate Jonas hasn't panned out, but the blame can be shared around.